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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 3:36:12 GMT
Nets Get: PF Serge Ibaka 82 $2,180,443/$3,187,808 C Omer Asik 72 $8,208,000/$9,110,000/$9,600,000/$10,000,000/$11,000,000(PO) PF Andrea Bargnani 81 $10,000,000/$10,750,000/$11,500,000 SG Dion Waiters 76 $1,865,300/$1,949,200/$2,033,200(TO)/$2,592,330(TO)/$3,530,753 SF Harrison Barnes 75 $3,105,500/$3,245,200/$3,385,000(TO)/$4,282,025(TO)/$5,647,991 2015 1st (Nets) 2013 2nd (Nets) 2014 2nd (Pacers)
Total: $25,359,243
Kings Get: SG Russell Westbrook 90 $14,511,000/$15,599,325/$16,687,650/$17,775,975 C/PF Chris "Birdman" Andersen 78 $4,526,000/$4,818,000 SF Al Thornton 70 $490,198/1 Contract of Dexter Pittman: $854,389/1
Total: $20,381,587
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Glenn Robinson
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Post by Glenn Robinson on May 27, 2013 12:23:39 GMT
I'm gonna wait to vote on this
This is a lot to give up Vlade. I'm guessing the rebuild is over?
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Post by Ian Noble on May 27, 2013 12:53:01 GMT
I'm willing to accept because I think the Kings have a good team that can take this kind of hit, but I'm very surprised they want to do it, even with Westbrook included.
Also this creates a backcourt of Lillard and Westbrook which, whilst fucking amazing, are essentially two PGs which is going to look really odd. You can say Westbrook is a SG, but he's a very undersized SG.
Also conversely, whilst I think this trade favours the Nets, it does leave them without a PG.
I'm going to need to hear some reasoning from Vlade.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 18:05:56 GMT
I'm gonna wait to vote on this This is a lot to give up Vlade. I'm guessing the rebuild is over? Why do you ask that? My two big pieces are 22 and 24 years old respectively. Therefore, I don't think there is any pressure on us to win; especially since we still possess our pick.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 18:06:38 GMT
I'm willing to accept because I think the Kings have a good team that can take this kind of hit, but I'm very surprised they want to do it, even with Westbrook included. Also this creates a backcourt of Lillard and Westbrook which, whilst fucking amazing, are essentially two PGs which is going to look really odd. You can say Westbrook is a SG, but he's a very undersized SG. Also conversely, whilst I think this trade favours the Nets, it does leave them without a PG. I'm going to need to hear some reasoning from Vlade. Everyone says Westbrook is a PG, I guess we will see!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 18:33:29 GMT
I am shocked that I, not Billy King, am being asked to explain myself. This TC goes in more directions than any other I can remember! Anyways here is my logic. Acquiring a superstar in this league is one of the toughest things I have ever done in a sim, but I finally did it! We could debate whether or not Lillard is a superstar, but we all know that Westbrook can be in the right situation. Therefore, I think superstars dominate this league more so than any other I have ever seen. How can I really improve my team as presently constructed? I possess(ed) a young player at every position, which I think would keep future FA's from wanting to come to Sacramento. Big name FA's, like Dwight, Josh Smith, Al Jefferson, Paul Milsap, David West, Roy Hibbert, Brook Lopez, and Andrew Bynum, should want to come play for Damian Lillard, Russell Westbrook, and the Kings as a result of this trade. I possess the power to bring at least one, if not two, to Sac-Town with my 30 M in cap space. While I do see that this trade could be a little bit of a gamble, I do not feel like I lose that much. In my opinion, this situation will benefit Westbrook greatly because his only weakness, decision making, will be hidden by Lillard. I can see Westbrook turning into a more athletic and stupid version of Dwyane Wade. If Westbrook does not work out I can just trade him for another star. I also get Birdman, who I am very high on. If you are asking me who I would rather have right now between Asik and the Bird; I am taking the Bird and not even thinking twice about it. Birdman is EXTREMELY underrated and I think he might end up getting a boast before everything is said and done. Birdman's contract also remains a lot more cap friendly than Asik's. Of the player I trade the only one with super star potential is Harrison Barnes. Though I am a fan of his, he struggled to post up some of San Antonio's guards (Tony Parker comes to mind) and I do possess some questions about him. The rest of the guys are either role players, Asik and Bargnani, or good players, Ibaka and Waiters, who will never be superstars in my opinion. Thus, I feel like Harrison Barnes' development will decide the winner in the trade, and I am okay with that. Then again, most of my picks are still in tactic and that could end up being a blessing in disguise for me. Lillard should get a boast this off-season and if I get just one big name FA I could make a run next year. However, I am under no pressure to try to save this current season. I still possess my 2013 1st, and suspect I will be drafting in the lottery again. Therefore, next year's line up, without any FA's, could look something like this. PG: Lillard SG: Westbrook SF: Rookie PF: Birdman C: Koufos - who will be a 74 next year. To conclude, I feel like I win this trade because superstars are hard to come by. Yes it could back fire on me, but that is part of being a GM. In all honesty, I maybe GM of the year next if I am able to sign Dwight, Josh Smith, or another big name FA that could compete with Denver's juggernaut. However, in contrast to Denver, I am doing it the right way. While I do feel like I win, I think BRK made a good trade and will be able to put his finger prints on the Nets with this deal. I enjoyed trading with the Nets and wish them nothing but the best.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 27, 2013 18:43:31 GMT
That was a well written essay, Vlade. I accept.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on May 27, 2013 18:59:01 GMT
More people need to take note. If you have a good explanation of your trade, we are more likely to accept the deal.
I'll accept this.
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Post by Alex English on May 27, 2013 19:25:27 GMT
However, in contrast to Denver, I am doing it the right way. Haha, how did I do it the wrong way my friend? I pretty much did this exact trade if you switch Westbrook for Kyrie, except I didn't give up as much to get him. If anything I'm doing it the right way. Anyway, this trade is massive but there has been plenty of explanation by all. No need for me to elaborate more. I'll accept. Though something that I don't think has been brought up is that if the Nets enter free agency like this then there is almost no way Lopez will re-sign despite him having the home team edge. I doubt Brook would look very kindly at a lineup that will have Ibaka, Asik and Bargs all competing for his playing time. Hopefully Brooklyn has a plan for this situation.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 23:50:37 GMT
That was a well written essay, Vlade. I accept. Thanks, and I guess you could call it an essay since the whole thing ended up being 638 words long! Haha, how did I do it the wrong way my friend? I pretty much did this exact trade if you switch Westbrook for Kyrie, except I didn't give up as much to get him. If anything I'm doing it the right way. I really do not want to piss you off since you are a player agent, but I do not agree that you did it the right way. In my opinion, this deal works better for both sides than your deal. Case in my point, just because you gave up less does not make your trade better than mine. Though something that I don't think has been brought up is that if the Nets enter free agency like this then there is almost no way Lopez will re-sign despite him having the home team edge. I doubt Brook would look very kindly at a lineup that will have Ibaka, Asik and Bargs all competing for his playing time. Hopefully Brooklyn has a plan for this situation. I thought the same thing, and would like to note that the Nets will not possess Ibaka's bird rights. That really hurt his value on the market and I got annoyed that he can only play 1 position; it really hurts when you are trying to lure FA's and some many of them play PF. You made me think twice about accepting, nonetheless, I'm still in love with the players I'm getting and feel like neither side has gained the superior hand. Good because I really did not want to trade Barnes, and some of the things said by you and the TC made me second guess it. Therefore, we are both even on that front! 1) There is so much trade potential with the guys I'm acquiring. Not only are they young, but none of them have hit their ceiling and yet they are still so full of skill. I think Barnes will be the deciding factor in this deal. He MAY possess untapped potential, and you can see that he is a very talented basketball player. However, it just seems like he lacks something from his game. I saw it when I looked at players to draft at #3 during our draft, but decided to go with him on intangibles. Maybe he will find that "it", but I am not 100% sure that he ever will. I do think he will be a good pro, maybe a great pro like I said, but we know Westbrook can play. However, I do not agree with the other 4 players. Ibaka is a good shot block and 15 foot jumper shooter. I found it SO ANNOYING that he really only play PF, and his whole contract that scared me because of the Tim Duncan thing. Again, Westbrook is locked up for 4 years. While I do like Waiters, I think he chunks the ball a little too much and will end up being, at best, an all-star player. However, He will never be a superstar and I can almost guarantee that. Everyone in this league knows I am a huge fan of Asik and might try to require him someday, but he does limit offensively and slows the tempo of the game down. With Lillard and Westbrook I want to run, run, and run some more. Thus, I think Birdman fits that model much better than Asik. As far as potential, I do not think Asik will never be anything special on offense. He MIGHT be able to improve around the basketball, where he currently is very weak, but I do not ever see him being much on offense; which will stunt his potential in the future. As far as Bargs, I would have probably given him up for a 1st and an expiring, but I am glad you are happy with him. Though I do think he would fit in well on my team as it is currently constructed, and I thought about trying to get you to let me keep him, 10 million is a lot to pay for a reclamation project. I'm sitting on old players right now...Gerald Wallace is my starting SF, Vince Carter my starting SG, and Shawn Marion my starting PF, Brooklyn needs to see a change in their lineup immediately. Yes, we're losing a super-star. In due time, I can acquire a superstar through a trade using these players. I agree with what you are saying. You need to change the Nets and put your finger prints on them. I think you tried to build around Westbrook, but no one wanted your other players. Sometimes you need to break it down to build it back up, and I think you got yourself a damn good deal for your star. However, you are now in an interesting dilemma because you possess a lot of older players, along with your new younger players. It will be interesting to see the direction you end up going, but rebuilding seems like your best bet to me. Brooklyn has been sitting on one superstar and I feel like we needed to use Westbrook as trade bait. He's just a chucker, and I need solid players who are young and will grow. I don't think Westbrook will ever be able to touch the accomplishments Dwayne Wade has done, but if Sacramento believes he can, so be it. Not only do I rival the best back-court in the league now with Ibaka and Brook Lopez, but I also have a solid forward who I believe will blossom into a great player. I answered a lot of this in the other thread, but you now have one of the best front courts not back courts. All I meant by the the Wade comparison is that they can play a similar style, though Westbrook needs to develop his mid-range jumper. He will never be as smart as D-wade and I think that will keep him from reaching that level, but then again this is a sim league, and thus did not happen in real life, so you never know. Basically, if Lebron and Wade can learn to share the ball I think Lillard and Westbrook can as well. Look out in transition; this team can really run with Lillard handling the ball, Westbrook on the wing, and the Bird trailing. 4) I would have never been able to acquire big name talents this free agency (Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, Josh Smith) and most likely not even next free agency because of the little cap room I have. Cap space can be a funny thing. My rule of thumb on it is either A. Get a lot of it or B. Do not even care about it. You are doing the latter, and I think either method can be appropriate. I've enjoyed every minute of negotiating and trading with Sacramento, he never pressured me nor lied or low-balled me and I would definitely do another trade with you again, Vlade. Yes sir, and same to you as well. It is not my style to lie or cheat, and I am glad we came to a sound deal. I also want to give you props for maturing in a short amount of time and want to apologize for my actions in the chat room. You are a good guy and I think you can be a good GM in the league.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 28, 2013 0:59:51 GMT
Accept from me.
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Post by Blake Bowman on May 28, 2013 2:12:08 GMT
More people need to take note. If you have a good explanation of your trade, we are more likely to accept the deal. I'll accept this. I took note of this.
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Post by Chris Mullin on May 28, 2013 7:12:14 GMT
Does this trade work salary cap wise?
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Post by Ian Noble on May 28, 2013 8:19:05 GMT
Does this trade work salary cap wise? Yep.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 12:06:52 GMT
Does this trade work salary cap wise? $20,381,587 (low salary) * 1.25 = $25,476,983
$25,476,983 > $25,359,243Basically, any salary from $20,381,587 to $25,476,983 works.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 28, 2013 12:38:24 GMT
Trade passed.
Epic.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 28, 2013 12:44:34 GMT
Sacramento needs to sign a player before the deal goes through, this reduces them to 11 players, which is below the minimum of 12.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 28, 2013 13:08:22 GMT
Kings sent me an offer on Vlad Rad last night, I just posted it up so we should be good to go there.
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