Glenn Robinson
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Mar 7, 2013 13:00:09 GMT
Miami Trades:
78 Channing Frye $6,000,000 $6,400,000 $6,800,000
2013 1st round pick via Denver
2013 1st round pick via Indiana
Total: $6,000,000
Milwaukee Trades:
79 Ersan Ilyasova - $7,900,000 - $7,900,000 - $7,900,000 - $8,300,000 - $8,600,000
2014 2nd round pick
Total: $7,900,000
Reasoning: I'd hate to lose Ilyasova but he deserves to be on a contending team and not a rebuilding one. He will be a great asset to the Heat for their championship run. I get a guy to replace Ilyasova as a stretch 4 and a couple 1st round picks that will likely be in the later part of the 1st round. So while they won't be significant picks, it keeps me on path of building through the draft.
I accept.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 7, 2013 16:18:37 GMT
i accept, although i really like 3 point shooters, i love to have a good player who has a long contract in return, although im giving up 2 picks. its like flipping Bosh into Amare and Ilyasova.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 7, 2013 18:54:02 GMT
I really don't understand this for Milwaukee. Ilyasova is averaging 12.5ppg and 6.5rpg and he's 25 with a long contract. He's actually better than his stats too given how poorly he played to start the season. These are his monthly splits:
November - 6.7ppg and 4.8rpg December - 11.2ppg and 6.0rpg January - 13.9ppg and 7.6rpg February - 15.1ppg and 7.6rpg March - 18.7ppg and 6.7rpg
He is so much more valuable than Frye. Then the picks, honestly I think the 2014 2nd rounder might be the most valuable pick in this trade. This upcoming draft is by all accounts, pretty awful but the 2014 draft is by all accounts, above average to very good. It is obviously a long way away from the 2014 draft but a pick in the 30s could easily be better than a pick in the 20s for this years draft. And my assumption is that both Indy's pick and my pick will be in the 20s while the 2014 2nd rounder will be in the 30s.
I'm close to rejecting but I'll wait and see what others have to say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 18:59:18 GMT
Even with the late first rounders its not worth rejecting. Right now in the sim... Ilyasova is about even...in real life he is better than Frye. I would say with the picks and because Frye plays just as well as Ersan in sim(at least right now)---its fair and if I was a TC I would accept...
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Glenn Robinson
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Mar 7, 2013 19:00:13 GMT
I really don't understand this for Milwaukee. Ilyasova is averaging 12.5ppg and 6.5rpg and he's 25 with a long contract. He's actually better than his stats too given how poorly he played to start the season. These are his monthly splits: November - 6.7ppg and 4.8rpg December - 11.2ppg and 6.0rpg January - 13.9ppg and 7.6rpg February - 15.1ppg and 7.6rpg March - 18.7ppg and 6.7rpg He is so much more valuable than Frye. Then the picks, honestly I think the 2014 2nd rounder might be the most valuable pick in this trade. This upcoming draft is by all accounts, pretty awful but the 2014 draft is by all accounts, above average to very good. It is obviously a long way away from the 2014 draft but a pick in the 30s could easily be better than a pick in the 20s for this years draft. And my assumption is that both Indy's pick and my pick will be in the 20s while the 2014 2nd rounder will be in the 30s. I'm close to rejecting but I'll wait and see what others have to say. Judging by what you said, then your offer for Ilyasova was a low ball, Alex. I like Ilyasova a lot, but that doesn't justify paying a player coming off my bench 8 million a year! I have Davis and Drummond as my two front court players and with my rebuilding, I don't plan on starting Ilyasova over either of those two and blocking their progress. I get what you are saying, but it still doesn't justify me spending 8 million a year for a guy coming off the bench. It just doesn't make financial sense, reguardless of what he's doing in real life. Too many GM's get hyped up on what's going on in real life for a player, which is fine and dandy when it comes to making a case for increasing a players ratings, but you need to take a look at what players are doing in Sim League and financial situations in sim league. I have no intention of paying a bench player 8 million a year who is never going to crack my starting rotation unless injury occurs. Also, there is a lot of things I can do with two 1st round draft picks. I can package them in another deal for a team looking to add youth, I can use them to trade up in the draft etc etc. I find your lack of draft pick importance, disturbing. (Darth Vader voice)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 19:12:36 GMT
I really don't understand this for Milwaukee. Ilyasova is averaging 12.5ppg and 6.5rpg and he's 25 with a long contract. He's actually better than his stats too given how poorly he played to start the season. These are his monthly splits: November - 6.7ppg and 4.8rpg December - 11.2ppg and 6.0rpg January - 13.9ppg and 7.6rpg February - 15.1ppg and 7.6rpg March - 18.7ppg and 6.7rpg He is so much more valuable than Frye. Then the picks, honestly I think the 2014 2nd rounder might be the most valuable pick in this trade. This upcoming draft is by all accounts, pretty awful but the 2014 draft is by all accounts, above average to very good. It is obviously a long way away from the 2014 draft but a pick in the 30s could easily be better than a pick in the 20s for this years draft. And my assumption is that both Indy's pick and my pick will be in the 20s while the 2014 2nd rounder will be in the 30s. I'm close to rejecting but I'll wait and see what others have to say. Judging by what you said, then your offer for Ilyasova was a low ball, Alex. I like Ilyasova a lot, but that doesn't justify paying a player coming off my bench 8 million a year! I have Davis and Drummond as my two front court players and with my rebuilding, I don't plan on starting Ilyasova over either of those two and blocking their progress. I get what you are saying, but it still doesn't justify me spending 8 million a year for a guy coming off the bench. It just doesn't make financial sense, reguardless of what he's doing in real life. Too many GM's get hyped up on what's going on in real life for a player, which is fine and dandy when it comes to making a case for increasing a players ratings, but you need to take a look at what players are doing in Sim League and financial situations in sim league. I have no intention of paying a bench player 8 million a year who is never going to crack my starting rotation unless injury occurs. Also, there is a lot of things I can do with two 1st round draft picks. I can package them in another deal for a team looking to add youth, I can use them to trade up in the draft etc etc. I find your lack of draft pick importance, disturbing. (Darth Vader voice) Not only that our league has NO INJURIES...so he def is a backup... ;D
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Post by Alex English on Mar 7, 2013 19:26:23 GMT
Judging by what you said, then your offer for Ilyasova was a low ball, Alex. Yeah it was. But who wants to make trades at fair value? All that will do is make your team mediocre, and I'm trying to build a dynasty here! Too many GM's get hyped up on what's going on in real life for a player, which is fine and dandy when it comes to making a case for increasing a players ratings, but you need to take a look at what players are doing in Sim League and financial situations in sim league. I couldn't possibly disagree with a statement more. I consider almost everything that happens in the sim to be irrelevant. The only thing I care about is wins and losses. When it comes to player evaluations I only ever use real world information apart from occasionally looking at the actual ratings of a player, but never sim stats. That's my strategy and it has worked out pretty well so far. To each their own though. Financially Ilyasova might be an issue I guess. I don't think he is overpaid though. But his 8 mil per season isn't much worse than Frye's 6 and a half mil per year. Also, there is a lot of things I can do with two 1st round draft picks. I can package them in another deal for a team looking to add youth, I can use them to trade up in the draft etc etc. I find your lack of draft pick importance, disturbing. (Darth Vader voice) I figure most GMs would value those picks more than I do so you're probably right about this. I try and look at picks for the players they will become though and I'm not very impressed with what the late 1st round of this year's draft has to offer.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 7, 2013 19:28:08 GMT
Judging by what you said, then your offer for Ilyasova was a low ball, Alex. I like Ilyasova a lot, but that doesn't justify paying a player coming off my bench 8 million a year! I have Davis and Drummond as my two front court players and with my rebuilding, I don't plan on starting Ilyasova over either of those two and blocking their progress. I get what you are saying, but it still doesn't justify me spending 8 million a year for a guy coming off the bench. It just doesn't make financial sense, reguardless of what he's doing in real life. Too many GM's get hyped up on what's going on in real life for a player, which is fine and dandy when it comes to making a case for increasing a players ratings, but you need to take a look at what players are doing in Sim League and financial situations in sim league. I have no intention of paying a bench player 8 million a year who is never going to crack my starting rotation unless injury occurs. Also, there is a lot of things I can do with two 1st round draft picks. I can package them in another deal for a team looking to add youth, I can use them to trade up in the draft etc etc. I find your lack of draft pick importance, disturbing. (Darth Vader voice) Not only that our league has NO INJURIES...so he def is a backup... ;D Interesting you say that, because Ilyasova is better than every player on your team.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 19:39:35 GMT
Not only that our league has NO INJURIES...so he def is a backup... ;D Interesting you say that, because Ilyasova is better than every player on your team. I know hes a decent player, but I dont think hes better than everyone on my team...almost...lol....but I think Bledsoe will at some point...have a breakout year...if not during the playoffs...with his next team...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 22:14:38 GMT
In all honesty, this trade hurts Miami. With Amare, Lebron, Wade, and Nash you HAVE to have a guy that can spread the floor.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 7, 2013 22:21:29 GMT
In all honesty, this trade hurts Miami. With Amare, Lebron, Wade, and Nash you HAVE to have a guy that can spread the floor. In the last two season Ilyasova has shot 44.5% from three... He is actually a better three point shooter than Frye.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 22:27:00 GMT
In all honesty, this trade hurts Miami. With Amare, Lebron, Wade, and Nash you HAVE to have a guy that can spread the floor. In the last two season Ilyasova has shot 44.5% from three... He is actually a better three point shooter than Frye. Ilyasova: 37.8% Career Frye: 39.0 % Career You better get your facts straight Mr. "Reject Everything on the Trade Committee"
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Post by Alex English on Mar 7, 2013 22:37:07 GMT
In the last two season Ilyasova has shot 44.5% from three... He is actually a better three point shooter than Frye. Ilyasova: 37.8% Career Frye: 39.0 % Career You better get your facts straight Mr. "Reject Everything on the Trade Committee" Over their last two seasons: Ilyasova: 44.5% Career Frye: 37.3 % Career Which is more relevant? Entire career or recent play? I vote recent play. Also I'm pretty sure the only trade I've rejected so far is the Orlando trade where he dealt MKG and Hibbert for Darko and some picks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 22:43:16 GMT
Ilyasova: 37.8% Career Frye: 39.0 % Career You better get your facts straight Mr. "Reject Everything on the Trade Committee" Over their last two seasons: Ilyasova: 44.5% Career Frye: 37.3 % Career Which is more relevant? Entire career or recent play? I vote recent play. Also I'm pretty sure the only trade I've rejected so far is the Orlando trade where he dealt MKG and Hibbert for Darko and some picks. Frye isn't even playing this year, so you are basing his performance off one season? Plus, Frye has a much bigger sample size because he has played more years; what if Ilyasova is just hot right now? I mean he slumped early in the year, are you positive it won't happen again? Therefore I disagree, I think their total careers, not one season, determine who the better shooter is. Oh my bad, I just glance at the trades and all I ever see is you and San Antonio arguing about something...I just assumed you rejected his deals.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 22:45:17 GMT
Over their last two seasons: Ilyasova: 44.5% Career Frye: 37.3 % Career Which is more relevant? Entire career or recent play? I vote recent play. Also I'm pretty sure the only trade I've rejected so far is the Orlando trade where he dealt MKG and Hibbert for Darko and some picks. Frye isn't even playing this year, so you are basing his performance off one season? Plus, Frye has a much bigger sample size because he has played more years; what if Ilyasova is just hot right now? I mean he slumped early in the year, are you positive it won't happen again? Therefore I disagree, I think their total careers, not one season, determine who the better shooter is. Oh my bad, I just glance at the trades and all I ever see is you and San Antonio arguing about something...I just assumed you rejected his deals. HAHA Just to let you know...IVE NEVER HAD A TRADE REJECTED IN THIS LEAGUE.... SO THERE... ;D
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Post by Blake Bowman on Mar 7, 2013 22:49:52 GMT
Ilyasova: 37.8% Career Frye: 39.0 % Career You better get your facts straight Mr. "Reject Everything on the Trade Committee" Over their last two seasons: Ilyasova: 44.5% Career Frye: 37.3 % Career Which is more relevant? Entire career or recent play? I vote recent play. Also I'm pretty sure the only trade I've rejected so far is the Orlando trade where he dealt MKG and Hibbert for Darko and some picks. And those picks were going to be two top Lotto Picks. (I was also receiving Leonard. ;D)
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Post by Alex English on Mar 7, 2013 22:53:42 GMT
Over their last two seasons: Ilyasova: 44.5% Career Frye: 37.3 % Career Which is more relevant? Entire career or recent play? I vote recent play. Also I'm pretty sure the only trade I've rejected so far is the Orlando trade where he dealt MKG and Hibbert for Darko and some picks. Frye isn't even playing this year, so you are basing his performance off one season? Plus, Frye has a much bigger sample size because he has played more years; what if Ilyasova is just hot right now? I mean he slumped early in the year, are you positive it won't happen again? Therefore I disagree, I think their total careers, not one season, determine who the better shooter is. Oh my bad, I just glance at the trades and all I ever see is you and San Antonio arguing about something...I just assumed you rejected his deals. I based it on their last two seasons, for each of them. Frye hasn't played this year so I included the year before for him. Also I don't think you can say shooting well for two years is just 'getting hot'. Ilyasova has improved a lot over his career so his current skill is better than his career numbers. But whatever man, it's just semantics. Even if Frye is a slightly better three point shooter, your point was that it was bad for Miami because he needed players to spread the floor. Which is false because Ilyasova is a very good three point shooter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 22:57:01 GMT
Frye isn't even playing this year, so you are basing his performance off one season? Plus, Frye has a much bigger sample size because he has played more years; what if Ilyasova is just hot right now? I mean he slumped early in the year, are you positive it won't happen again? Therefore I disagree, I think their total careers, not one season, determine who the better shooter is. Oh my bad, I just glance at the trades and all I ever see is you and San Antonio arguing about something...I just assumed you rejected his deals. I based it on their last two seasons, for each of them. Frye hasn't played this year so I included the year before for him. Also I don't think you can say shooting well for two years is just 'getting hot'. Ilyasova has improved a lot over his career so his current skill is better than his career numbers. But whatever man, it's just semantics. Even if Frye is a slightly better three point shooter, your point was that it was bad for Miami because he needed players to spread the floor. Which is false because Ilyasova is a very good three point shooter. I agree though that Miami gets better.... He gets younger...can move Amare to Center which he plays his best in sims....and Ersan wont be a problem at all. Overall I think its a fair to both teams. Bucks had a point about his bench and not needing Ersan...now he gets to picks he can use or package in a great trade or to move up in the draft...
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Mar 8, 2013 0:27:57 GMT
Well I'm ok with the trade getting rejected or accepted really. I love Ilyasova but at the same time I'd love to get picks and more cap room.
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Post by Allen Iverson on Mar 8, 2013 1:03:19 GMT
Frye doesn't shoot a lot of threes here. Just saying.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 8, 2013 13:43:08 GMT
In all honesty, this trade hurts Miami. With Amare, Lebron, Wade, and Nash you HAVE to have a guy that can spread the floor. Frye is not shooting 3s in sims HAHA
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 9, 2013 14:33:04 GMT
bump to TC
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 10, 2013 4:00:02 GMT
Honestly, I think Miami makes out very well in this trade. Ersan has a lot of unique talents that his rating doesn't currently portray, IMO. He's had a rough up and down type of season this year and last, but has very big #'s in a lot of categories.
The 1sts and Frye are all just mediocre pieces. I know Milwaukee is trying to build through the draft, but a guy like Ersan is locked into his contract for as long as all of these Rookies you plan on building around, and you can afford him since Rookies don't make that much money.
Anyway...I find it slightly hard to reject...Milwaukee has proven to be a solid manager, I just think he's undervaluing Ersan here, or overvaluing Frye and the picks.
I know this has been up for a little, but I'm still, personally, thinking about this one.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Mar 10, 2013 5:17:37 GMT
I've grown stale on this deal. If you guys want to reject it I'd be ok with that
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Post by Alex English on Mar 10, 2013 6:16:16 GMT
I'll officially reject this trade.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 9:35:03 GMT
This trade is fair and for you guys to reject for any other reason than it being fair, you guys are cheating the gms that worked on it. If they did not in their hearts really want it they would not have posted and accepted it. This trade is fair and now that its taking a while for acceptance Bucks wants out---why...because he is trading a good player for mostly picks...but its not a bad trade and its fair so it needs accepted....
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Mar 10, 2013 11:36:10 GMT
I'm fine with the trade if it gets rejected or accepted JR. Why do you need to get upset about so many different things? I accepted the trade so it's up to te committee now. Do I want it to get rejected now? Probably, but if it doesn't in fine with that too.
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 10, 2013 12:58:00 GMT
I think the deal is ok for both teams, I don't believe that Ilyasova is so good that it's a no brainer rejection.
My main concern was "who's going to play center in Miami?" - but obviously Amare can do that.
I accept (sorry Glenn, but Troy Bolton still seems to want to go ahead with this deal and I'm just giving my honest opinion on this).
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 10, 2013 13:31:38 GMT
Miami won a championship IRL without a legit center.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Mar 10, 2013 15:02:15 GMT
No worries Ian. I still like the deal. I just was saying I don't care either way lol
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