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Post by Alex English on Nov 23, 2012 3:22:35 GMT
Current Rating: 77 Suggested Rating: 84 The guy definitely needs an increase, having a 77 makes him seem like just a good back up. As a starter in Houston he averaged 18.0 ppg and 8.4 apg while shooting 49% from the field and 38% from 3. This year he is averaging numbers that are almost as good as that with 16.2 ppg and 7.3 apg again with excellent percentages of 47% from the field and 35% from 3 and he also has a PER of 22.8. He is also just 26 and only now entering the prime of his career. Looking around the league he is clearly better than most of the point guards with similar ratings: 84 John Wall 83 Brandon Jennings 83 Stephen Curry 83 Devin Harris 82 Jameer Nelson 82 Ricky Rubio 81 Kemba Walker 80 Jaremy Lin 79 Ty Lawson (Also needs an increase) 79 Mike Conley 79 Brandon Knight 79 Ramon Sessions 78 Raymond Felton 78 Aaron Brooks 78 Kyle Lowry (Also needs an increase) 77 Darren Collison 77 George Hill I think the only guys on that list that are on his level are Wall, Jennings, Curry and the two guys who need increases of their own imo which are Lowry and Lawson. As for some specific ratings: FG: 77 > ~85 PASS: 81 > ~90 O AWARE: 77 > ~90 FATIG: 64 > ~85 Those are some of the obvious increases he needs imo, especially his Fatigue rating, at 64 it's actually the lowest on my team, I have no idea why it's so low for him.
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Lucas Lutkus
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on Nov 23, 2012 5:35:03 GMT
i think that 84 is too much. Maybe 81/82 is good for Dragic
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Post by Walt Frazier on Nov 23, 2012 17:40:14 GMT
Dragic is one of those guys that might be safer to bump out to about 81 right now, and if he does this all season, maybe another 2-3 points are warranted.
Personally, I feel pretty confident that Dragic is "this" good, so I'd be ok with around 83-84 right now if it was only up to me, but I can understand playing it a little safe.
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 24, 2012 14:42:52 GMT
I do love Dragic but it's important to always be conservative with rating changes, so I agree with CHA and MIN with an 81 for now. He's definitely starter material but needs to continue to produce, the way he has, for a sustained period of time before he goes further imho.
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Post by Danny Longley on Nov 27, 2012 13:28:10 GMT
I had him at 79-80 in the earlier boost thread, but I think it's more than safe to call him "not a fluke". I'd put him at 82, and as the others have said, if he keeps this up, maybe even further to 84.
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Post by Alex English on Dec 1, 2012 0:29:56 GMT
So for we have:
DEN: 84 DAL: 82 CHA: 82/81 MIN: 81 BOS 81
Anybody else?
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Dec 1, 2012 1:55:49 GMT
I think he would be good as an 82!
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Jackie Moon
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Post by Jackie Moon on Dec 1, 2012 15:48:59 GMT
80. Houston makes people look better than they are because they haven't had an identity or legit number one in quite a while. Now he plays for the Suns and its kind of the same situation where they don't have a go to guy.
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Dec 2, 2012 17:50:15 GMT
82-83
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Post by Alex English on Dec 3, 2012 22:19:22 GMT
It seems like most people have posted their opinion on what his rating should be so I'm going to do the Ian Noble Average Rating SystemTM.
Ratings: 84, 82.5, 82, 82, 81.5, 81, 81, 80, 79
Average: 82+82+81.5+81+81=326.5/5=81.5 -> 82
So Dragic gets an increase to 82?
EDIT: Updated to include Otis Smith's rating
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Post by Otis Smith on Dec 4, 2012 5:18:44 GMT
So for we have: DEN: 84 DAL: 82 CHA: 82/81 MIN: 81 BOS 81 Anybody else? 78-79 If I'm not to late. I would say 79 would be fair.
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Post by Alex English on Dec 4, 2012 5:25:56 GMT
So for we have: DEN: 84 DAL: 82 CHA: 82/81 MIN: 81 BOS 81 Anybody else? 78-79 If I'm not to late. I would say 79 would be fair. Really? That's interestingly low. So you have guys like Harris, Nelson, Rubio, Walker and Lin being noticeably better than Dragic? Or would you give most of those guys significant decreases?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2012 7:07:42 GMT
81
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Post by Alex English on Dec 16, 2012 23:31:55 GMT
Bump.
While we're waiting for the NLSC roster update why not go through the massive number of rating changes threads?
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Otis Smith
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Post by Otis Smith on Dec 17, 2012 13:27:40 GMT
78-79 If I'm not to late. I would say 79 would be fair. Really? That's interestingly low. So you have guys like Harris, Nelson, Rubio, Walker and Lin being noticeably better than Dragic? Or would you give most of those guys significant decreases? While looking back it you are somewhat right 80-81 would be fair While I like Dragic I think 84 is grossly overrating him and he hasn't shown that he has deserved that. He is not a great defender at all and while improving his shooting/steals/assist this season its still not up to par with any of the top 10 points. If he continues to improve like he has been on both sides it could be arguable that he gets into the mid-80s.
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Post by Alex English on Dec 19, 2012 21:28:19 GMT
Soo.. Dragic gets an 81?
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Post by Magic Johnson on Feb 9, 2014 22:53:04 GMT
Current Rating: 81 New Rating: 97 xd
New Rating: 85
One of the main reasons why PHX is doing well as they are this year is to the stellar play of Dragic and although most of them he did it with Bledsoe he is doing a incredible job even without Bledsoe.
He is putting up 20 and 6 along with 50 FG and 40 from 3PT.
When you consider guys like Love/Irving who are considered superstars (have higher rating but teams are failing, although I have no problem with having either on my team in real life or this league PRAY LAKERS GET THEM REAL LIFE) and you look at a guy like Dragic and what he is doing with I'd say a good supporting cast but not anything special I think Dragic should be rewarded for playing beyond his capabilities.
OT
But I'd also like to talk about Vucevic (73) who should be closer to a 77-78 (putting up 13, 11, and shooting 50 percent from the field).
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Feb 9, 2014 22:54:42 GMT
I think he belongs with Lowry at 82-83 range.
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Post by Alex English on Feb 10, 2014 1:48:18 GMT
I have been a Dragic fan for a long time and he's always been so underrated it's crazy. He's taken on more of a scoring role and his numbers are excellent. The only argument against him is that he hasn't played at this level consistently over the span of a few seasons. So I'll give him an 85 too though I think that's his absolute ceiling unless he maintains or raises his game next season.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Feb 10, 2014 2:33:04 GMT
85 is way too high. He's only been playing at this level of play for half a season. Give it some time.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 10, 2014 22:24:40 GMT
He's playing around an 85 while Bledsoe is out, he has the talent, but I think it's also a well-timed hot streak, just my opinion.
I'm good with around an 83 at this point on Dragic.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 15, 2014 23:45:17 GMT
83 from me too.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 16, 2014 1:45:39 GMT
I'm sorry but Goran Dragic leads all SG's in PER and is carrying a very sketchy team into the playoffs in one of the most difficult Western Conferences in years. Dude gets an 88 for me, he's essentially a less bearded less flashy James Harden who can actually play defense.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Feb 16, 2014 17:42:24 GMT
84
20.3/6.2/3.5 shooting 41% from 3 and 51% overall is pretty nice.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 16, 2014 18:18:13 GMT
I say 88. Guy is better than Dwayne Wade at this point, but has proven nothing yet.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 16, 2014 18:22:22 GMT
85 dragic should definitely have been a an all star and in the east would have. I think we are through the season long enough that it isn't a fluke
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 19, 2014 10:15:49 GMT
Recent opinions.
82.5 83 83 83 84 85
85 88
Dragic up to 84.
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