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Post by James Kay on Jun 19, 2018 17:31:37 GMT
Charlotte Hornets Send: 85 Al Horford $31,349,619 $34,798,077 $38,625,866 $42,874,711 75 Josh Jackson $4,704,500 $5,584,000 $6,525,000 $8,247,600 $10,820,851 69 Malik Beasley $1,369,200 $1,428,200 $2,199,428 $3,136,384 73 Joakim Noah $815,615 $815,615 68 Sergey Karasev $700,000 $700,000 2018 DAL 1st Round Pick (6th Overall) 2018 SAC 1st Round Pick (20th Overall) 2021 CHA 2nd Round Pick 2021 CHA 2nd Round Pick Charlotte Hornets Receive: 97 Kevin Durant $34,682,550 $37,283,741 $40,080,022 $43,086,023 $46,317,475 78 Jonathon Simmons $6,521,492 $6,362,431 $6,208,250 75 Amir Johnson $7,406,000 $7,531,333 $7,531,333 $7,531,333 Salaries: Total Outgoing: $38,938,934 (x125% = 48,673,667.5>incoming) Total Incoming: $48,610,042 Oklahoma City Thunder Send: 97 Kevin Durant $34,682,550 $37,283,741 $40,080,022 $43,086,023 $46,317,475 78 Jonathon Simmons $6,521,492 $6,362,431 $6,208,250 75 Amir Johnson $7,406,000 $7,531,333 $7,531,333 $7,531,333 Oklahoma City Thunder Receive: 85 Al Horford $31,349,619 $34,798,077 $38,625,866 $42,874,711 75 Josh Jackson $4,704,500 $5,584,000 $6,525,000 $8,247,600 $10,820,851 69 Malik Beasley $1,369,200 $1,428,200 $2,199,428 $3,136,384 73 Joakim Noah $815,615 $815,615 68 Sergey Karasev $700,000 $700,000 2018 DAL 1st Round Pick (6th Overall) 2018 SAC 1st Round Pick (20th Overall) 2021 CHA 2nd Round Pick 2021 CHA 2nd Round Pick Salaries: Total Outgoing: $48,610,042 Total Incoming: $38,938,934
I accept. This is the culmination of all my years as a GM. Even though I'm getting Durant, I'm still finding it difficult to pull the trigger. I'll no longer have any big young talent on my roster, something I've always tried to maintain, through Randle or Porter or Wiggins or Ingram or Jackson. A young cornerstone that I could feel good about, in case everything else went south. I'm finally giving them all away. Here's hoping that this move will allow me to continue the Hornets' recent success, and continue to compete for a championship. Best of luck to Kevin in his rebuilding process, he now has a king's ransom full of young pieces.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jun 19, 2018 17:40:06 GMT
Knew it was coming
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Post by George Gervin on Jun 19, 2018 17:55:34 GMT
Glad I could help facilitate your new super team James!
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Post by Mark Price on Jun 19, 2018 18:10:20 GMT
This is a complete steal for the second best player in the league with 4 years left on his contract. Especially if you're in the Josh Jackson isn't going to live up to the hype camp. Also that Horford contract is absolutely awful if you're going for a straight rebuild.
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Post by George Gervin on Jun 19, 2018 18:20:57 GMT
This is a complete steal for the second best player in the league with 4 years left on his contract. Especially if you're in the Josh Jackson isn't going to live up to the hype camp. Also that Horford contract is absolutely awful if you're going for a straight rebuild. I believe OKCs 2019 1st is controlled by another team, so for him to outright tank immediately doesn’t make sense. At least Horford will help hedge a complete cliff fall next year and conveying a high pick to another team. Jackson is 21 so he’s got potential, and this draft has a lot in the mid round as well as a top 6-8 depending on sources.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 19, 2018 18:33:12 GMT
Wow. This is a very low return for KD
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 19, 2018 18:44:13 GMT
I tried and I tried but you beat me James Kay. I even offered six 1st Rounders at one time: DEN 2018 1st - #29 BOS 2018 1st - #15 CLE 2020 1st SAC 2020 1st CHA 2020 1st BOS 2020 1st And I offered Ingram and Murray. But here we are. The Eastern Conference will be Chicago and Charlotte's backyard for the next 4 or 5 years.
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Post by Mark Price on Jun 19, 2018 18:49:28 GMT
This is a complete steal for the second best player in the league with 4 years left on his contract. Especially if you're in the Josh Jackson isn't going to live up to the hype camp. Also that Horford contract is absolutely awful if you're going for a straight rebuild. I believe OKCs 2019 1st is controlled by another team, so for him to outright tank immediately doesn’t make sense. At least Horford will help hedge a complete cliff fall next year and conveying a high pick to another team. Jackson is 21 so he’s got potential, and this draft has a lot in the mid round as well as a top 6-8 depending on sources. You're acting like this team just traded away Kemba Walker and not the second best player in the league. Yeah Jackson could be good, but there's TONS of guys in the league with skills who never pan out. Jackson hasn't shown that he's going to develop a shot or ever be the player you'd hope he'd be given his skillset. Also, with the sixth pick you're getting a guy like Trae Young, MPJ, Carter, or Bamba. All of those guys have serious redflags. Especially when they're by far best asset in a trade for an MVP, two times Finals MVP, four time scoring champ, and eight time All-NBA player. I understand that you'll never get the value you truly deserve for a player as valuable as KD. But this isn't even close to a reasonable return of value no matter how highly you think of Josh Jackson. Also if a complete rebuild isn't feasible because of your draft picks, maybe trading away one of the best players in the league who's under contract for the next four years isn't the best option. Especially when you take a bad contract like Horford back. Moving that contract next year in order for a complete rebuild isn't going to be easy. Nobody wants a 33 year old owed $38 and $42.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 19, 2018 18:50:20 GMT
Accept. Many people might hate this and they're entitled to their opinion, but it is the direction I want to go at this time. DMC tearing his ACL made me ultimately go in this direction. With Durant getting older and the uncertainty of DMC, I ultimately decided it was best for me to move on.
In terms of trade partners, it was actually a more limited and difficult market than one would think. At this time and point in our league where there is no median teams, I really only had serious interest from maybe four teams. And even then, most of those teams were hesitant and not willing to give up what would be considered fair compensation for Durant. Thus, I decided the best trade for my team was with James Kay.
I am looking forward to a rebuild as it gets a little stale sometimes for me personally with the lack of transaction opportunities possible for upper tier teams. Again, that is my personal feeling, others may feel differently.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 19, 2018 18:56:05 GMT
This is a complete steal for the second best player in the league with 4 years left on his contract. Especially if you're in the Josh Jackson isn't going to live up to the hype camp. Also that Horford contract is absolutely awful if you're going for a straight rebuild. On paper, it might be a steal, but without the knowledge of talks with other teams, you don't realize how difficult Durant was to move. No team besides James really offered anything close to KD's value. The sim league is considerably different than the real NBA as teams are either tanking or playing for a championship - there is no in between. With this, my trade partners were extremely limited, and even then, no one wanted to really give a fair price. This move is more for me wanting a change of pace in D5 as keeping Durant for the years to come would have been stagnant and monotone. Horford's contract doesn't really bother me as I am not going full tank next year. I don't own my pick next year, so there is no reason to go full blown tank.
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Post by George Gervin on Jun 19, 2018 18:56:51 GMT
I believe OKCs 2019 1st is controlled by another team, so for him to outright tank immediately doesn’t make sense. At least Horford will help hedge a complete cliff fall next year and conveying a high pick to another team. Jackson is 21 so he’s got potential, and this draft has a lot in the mid round as well as a top 6-8 depending on sources. You're acting like this team just traded away Kemba Walker and not the second best player in the league. Yeah Jackson could be good, but there's TONS of guys in the league with skills who never pan out. Jackson hasn't shown that he's going to develop a shot or ever be the player you'd hope he'd be given his skillset. Also, with the sixth pick you're getting a guy like Trae Young, MPJ, Carter, or Bamba. All of those guys have serious redflags. Especially when they're by far best asset in a trade for an MVP, two times Finals MVP, four time scoring champ, and eight time All-NBA player. I understand that you'll never get the value you truly deserve for a player as valuable as KD. But this isn't even close to a reasonable return of value no matter how highly you think of Josh Jackson. Also if a complete rebuild isn't feasible because of your draft picks, maybe trading away one of the best players in the league who's under contract for the next four years isn't the best option. Especially when you take a bad contract like Horford back. Moving that contract next year in order for a complete rebuild isn't going to be easy. Nobody wants a 33 year old owed $38 and $42. Agree the Horford deal is a lot but you hit the nail on the head with your statement on never receiving fair comp for a superstar. If the best deal is two lotto guys in Jackson and pick #6 plus other pieces gotta take that while Durant’s value is still high. Perception wise half the league is bottoming out to clean cap sheets/get younger, while four or five teams are in position to contend. To Kevin’s point it’s a limited market, and as KD gets older and his contract balloons he would’ve been harder to deal. Can’t fault the deal if the market is limited
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 19, 2018 19:16:29 GMT
The crazy thing about this trade is, when Al Horford went to Charlotte yesterday, I thought that meant CHA was out of the running for Durant because there's no way in hell OKC would prefer Horford (and his contract) to Ibaka. If you wanted an overpaid vet Mr Hollis, I could've found one for you
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jun 19, 2018 19:19:34 GMT
Even though I couldn't be part of the sweepstakes for Kevin Durant, I figured the price would be youth which was something I couldn't offer. I knew some of the teams who were in the race and Kevin is right, the GM's didn't want to budge on the asking price. Based on the teams who have assets that could've traded with Kevin Durant and be a powerhouse in either the East or West, I feel a lot of them did not want to give up on their top young guy. Would Nets give up Porzingis, would Boston give up Simmons and would Bucks trade Davis? Honestly, I would say no. (Btw just assume these were the offers lol) Yes Durant is probably the 2nd best player in the NBA behind Lebron, but Charlotte seems to be the only GM who was willing to trade his young star while the others were willing to offer 2nd or 3rd ranked guys. I personally think Kevin could've got a lot more for Kevin Durant as well and if Boston did offer 6 1st rounder's, that's insane, I'd likely of accepted that deal lol but he got a young guy in Jackson who I'm assuming he's high on, 6th and 20th overall pick in this year draft and could flip Horford for more assets. I agree Horford contract is horrible and might not be moveable at all, but he's still a good player. He rebounded well in Boston this year and I feel Kevin could flip him during the off season if one of you guys strikes out on your free agents. Anyways, I accept and time for me to trade all my guys.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 19, 2018 19:22:27 GMT
The crazy thing about this trade is, when Al Horford went to Charlotte yesterday, I thought that meant CHA was out of the running for Durant because there's no way in hell OKC would prefer Horford (and his contract) to Ibaka. If you wanted an overpaid vet Mr Hollis, I could've found one for you All good, you're allowed to criticize. I knew what I was getting in return. Should have kept offering if you really wanted KD, not set a take it or leave it with Ingram and Murray. The market was what it was, I can't control that.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 19, 2018 19:29:41 GMT
Even though I couldn't be part of the sweepstakes for Kevin Durant, I figured the price would be youth which was something I couldn't offer. I knew some of the teams who were in the race and Kevin is right, the GM's didn't want to budge on the asking price. Based on the teams who have assets that could've traded with Kevin Durant and be a powerhouse in either the East or West, I feel a lot of them did not want to give up on their top young guy. Would Nets give up Porzingis, would Boston give up Simmons and would Bucks trade Davis? Honestly, I would say no. (Btw just assume these were the offers lol) Yes Durant is probably the 2nd best player in the NBA behind Lebron, but Charlotte seems to be the only GM who was willing to trade his young star while the others were willing to offer 2nd or 3rd ranked guys. I personally think Kevin could've got a lot more for Kevin Durant as well and if Boston did offer 6 1st rounder's, that's insane, I'd likely of accepted that deal lol but he got a young guy in Jackson who I'm assuming he's high on, 6th and 20th overall pick in this year draft and could flip Horford for more assets. I agree Horford contract is horrible and might not be moveable at all, but he's still a good player. He rebounded well in Boston this year and I feel Kevin could flip him during the off season if one of you guys strikes out on your free agents. Anyways, I accept and time for me to trade all my guys. I offered KD and my 2021 1st for AD and was given a hard no without a counter. Simmons and Embiid were off the table from Ian. Brooklyn wouldn't trade booker or kristaps. The Suns asked about KD, but there really wasn't anything that could be done. Toronto offered a decent package, but his players were a little too old and would have left me stranded. Houston offered Love and some picks and had a rough situation offering something for KD. That was about the extent of what I had to work with.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jun 19, 2018 19:35:41 GMT
Even though I couldn't be part of the sweepstakes for Kevin Durant, I figured the price would be youth which was something I couldn't offer. I knew some of the teams who were in the race and Kevin is right, the GM's didn't want to budge on the asking price. Based on the teams who have assets that could've traded with Kevin Durant and be a powerhouse in either the East or West, I feel a lot of them did not want to give up on their top young guy. Would Nets give up Porzingis, would Boston give up Simmons and would Bucks trade Davis? Honestly, I would say no. (Btw just assume these were the offers lol) Yes Durant is probably the 2nd best player in the NBA behind Lebron, but Charlotte seems to be the only GM who was willing to trade his young star while the others were willing to offer 2nd or 3rd ranked guys. I personally think Kevin could've got a lot more for Kevin Durant as well and if Boston did offer 6 1st rounder's, that's insane, I'd likely of accepted that deal lol but he got a young guy in Jackson who I'm assuming he's high on, 6th and 20th overall pick in this year draft and could flip Horford for more assets. I agree Horford contract is horrible and might not be moveable at all, but he's still a good player. He rebounded well in Boston this year and I feel Kevin could flip him during the off season if one of you guys strikes out on your free agents. Anyways, I accept and time for me to trade all my guys. I offered KD and my 2021 1st for AD and was given a hard no without a counter. Simmons and Embiid were off the table from Ian. Brooklyn wouldn't trade booker or kristaps. The Suns asked about KD, but there really wasn't anything that could be done. Toronto offered a decent package, but his players were a little too old and would have left me stranded. Houston offered Love and some picks. That was about the extent of what I had to work with. [ if my trade went through with Utah I was gonna offer you you're 19 1st pick 8 and some minor prospects
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Post by Mark Price on Jun 19, 2018 19:38:50 GMT
This is a complete steal for the second best player in the league with 4 years left on his contract. Especially if you're in the Josh Jackson isn't going to live up to the hype camp. Also that Horford contract is absolutely awful if you're going for a straight rebuild. On paper, it might be a steal, but without the knowledge of talks with other teams, you don't realize how difficult Durant was to move. No team besides James really offered anything close to KD's value. The sim league is considerably different than the real NBA as teams are either tanking or playing for a championship - there is no in between. With this, my trade partners were extremely limited, and even then, no one wanted to really give a fair price. This move is more for me wanting a change of pace in D5 as keeping Durant for the years to come would have been stagnant and monotone. Horford's contract doesn't really bother me as I am not going full tank next year. I don't own my pick next year, so there is no reason to go full blown tank. I get that there were a limited number of teams to trade him too. The trade also depends on your view of the Horford contract which I don't think is great, but there's obviously room to differ considering he's still playing at an All-NBA level even if we don't know how much longer we can expect that to continue. I just don't understand why you needed to move KD this instant considering his contract and that his stock is going down anytime soon. It's not my decision, that's just what I'm getting hung up on. I trust you've thought this through though.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 19, 2018 19:39:05 GMT
The crazy thing about this trade is, when Al Horford went to Charlotte yesterday, I thought that meant CHA was out of the running for Durant because there's no way in hell OKC would prefer Horford (and his contract) to Ibaka. If you wanted an overpaid vet Mr Hollis, I could've found one for you All good, you're allowed to criticize. I knew what I was getting in return. Should have kept offering if you really wanted KD, not set a take it or leave it with Ingram and Murray. The market was what it was, I can't control that. Ahh yeah I kinda felt there was no point returning to our PMs with offers that were similar to those that I'd already given though since it was mostly straight up offers from me and no negotiations coming back. Probably 95% of my PMs that would get me Durant were with other GMs. Looking through my PMs I messaged the following teams with offers with a view to flipping their players in a deal for Durant: NOP (Hayward and #3), MIL (Beal and AD), SAC (Lillard), WAS (#5), PHX (#4), DET (#2), POR (Kyrie), CHA (the players he offered you), UTA (Tatum, #8), CHI (Kawhi), SAS (#1), MIN (Capela), LAL (#13), MEM (Mitchell, KAT, Jokic), BKN (#7) (that's 16 teams - half the entire league!). I was offering Murray, Jabari and Ingram for top draft picks until last night.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 19, 2018 19:48:27 GMT
On paper, it might be a steal, but without the knowledge of talks with other teams, you don't realize how difficult Durant was to move. No team besides James really offered anything close to KD's value. The sim league is considerably different than the real NBA as teams are either tanking or playing for a championship - there is no in between. With this, my trade partners were extremely limited, and even then, no one wanted to really give a fair price. This move is more for me wanting a change of pace in D5 as keeping Durant for the years to come would have been stagnant and monotone. Horford's contract doesn't really bother me as I am not going full tank next year. I don't own my pick next year, so there is no reason to go full blown tank. I get that there were a limited number of teams to trade him too. The trade also depends on your view of the Horford contract which I don't think is great, but there's obviously room to differ considering he's still playing at an All-NBA level even if we don't know how much longer we can expect that to continue. I just don't understand why you needed to move KD this instant considering his contract and that his stock is going down anytime soon. It's not my decision, that's just what I'm getting hung up on. I trust you've thought this through though. You're right, I didn't have to trade him right now at all. It was more of me wanting a change of pace and not having to wait another year. Since joining the league, I have been stuck in the same rut year after year. Injuries screwed me a couple years, I will admit that, but I just wanted a different gm style for the foreseeable future.
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Post by Danny Longley on Jun 19, 2018 19:53:47 GMT
I'm not sure I'm okay with this trade.
There are some good pieces, but Horford and the rest of the parts of the trade are for completely contradicting plans. The inconsistency in the package kind of does scream that he's just taking the overall best total value package available in the current market.
It does give OKC some good young pieces, but it doesn't solve the bigger problem of why the team doesn't have much room to move in the first place. There's still going to be 40-50 million committed to Harrison Barnes and Brandon Knight for a long time, and Horford may become part of the problem in adding talent if the team doesn't actually plan to contend soon.
I get the feeling of wanting to have a change of pace, but is this really the only way to go about it?
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 19, 2018 22:28:56 GMT
I will still reject it though.. The simple question is this.. Is that the value of a top 3 player in the league?
I think the answer is no.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jun 19, 2018 22:32:14 GMT
If I were Okc I'd trade KD to Utah, get his pick back then maybe Fultz and pick 8 as well
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Post by Chris Mullin on Jun 19, 2018 22:34:55 GMT
Wow great trade James. Glad to see KD get sent out East for a variety of different reasons too.
KD and Westbrook reunited again!
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Post by James Kay on Jun 19, 2018 22:37:54 GMT
If I were Okc I'd trade KD to Utah, get his pick back then maybe Fultz and pick 8 as well Jackson and 6 is worth much more than Fultz and 8. I don’t need to argue in Kevin’s stead here, but I just don’t understand why OKC would want his pick back that badly. The West is full of tankers, and with Rozier Harris Barnes Randle WCS (plus other assets/players) and now Jackson and Horford and the 6 and 20 pick, OKC is not gonna be a bottom team. Seems like a retool without tanking approach to me.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jun 19, 2018 22:47:14 GMT
If I were Okc I'd trade KD to Utah, get his pick back then maybe Fultz and pick 8 as well Jackson and 6 is worth much more than Fultz and 8. I don’t need to argue in Kevin’s stead here, but I just don’t understand why OKC would want his pick back that badly. The West is full of tankers, and with Rozier Harris Barnes Randle WCS (plus other assets/players) and now Jackson and Horford and the 6 and 20 pick, OKC is not gonna be a bottom team. Seems like a retool without tanking approach to me. I'd take Fultz and 8 over 6 and JJ. But that's not the point. I think getting Horford isn't a good look either. KD is a top 2 player in the league and the only good asset he's getting is pick 6. Jackson is gonna be a solid player but I cant see him becoming an allstar
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Post by James Kay on Jun 19, 2018 22:50:43 GMT
Jackson and 6 is worth much more than Fultz and 8. I don’t need to argue in Kevin’s stead here, but I just don’t understand why OKC would want his pick back that badly. The West is full of tankers, and with Rozier Harris Barnes Randle WCS (plus other assets/players) and now Jackson and Horford and the 6 and 20 pick, OKC is not gonna be a bottom team. Seems like a retool without tanking approach to me. I'd take Fultz and 8 over 6 and JJ. But that's not the point. I think getting Horford isn't a good look either. KD is a top 2 player in the league and the only good asset he's getting is pick 6. Jackson is gonna be a solid player but I can see him becoming an allstar alright well completely writing off jackson as not a good asset is a fringe opinion so IDK what your point is
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 19, 2018 22:51:04 GMT
I will still reject it though.. The simple question is this.. Is that the value of a top 3 player in the league? I think the answer is no. I don't think you understand. No one wants to give true value for KD. If it is rejected, it's whatever, but no one wants to or will separate from their number 1 guy to switch with KD. It's pretty simple. I thought about asking Utah, but why in the world would Utah want KD? There just ins't the demand. If this was real life, this would be completely different, but it's not.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 19, 2018 22:59:10 GMT
I can't wait for the hard cap.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 19, 2018 23:13:42 GMT
I don't feel like writing too much here, there are some criticisms that can be made, but ultimately I think this isn't a terrible deal for a team that wants to start tanking. You get Josh Jackson, the #6 pick, the #20 pick, whatever you can get for Al Horford when he gets flipped to someone else (I don't buy that he's untradeable), and then mostly filler. Yeah, the team will be far worse off than they would've been, but that's kind of the point. Tanking teams are supposed to be bad. This is the first step to being bad, but it's not really dangerous or reckless. I think the biggest mistake here is not trading for that 2019 OKC pick before doing this deal which basically announces to the world that OKC is tanking now. I also totally get the point made by Kevin Hollis about what other teams are willing to give up. If the top teams are trying to load up to beat GSW, it's completely pointless to trade one superstar for another. That doesn't really get you anywhere. To get over the hump, you need to add a guy like KD to an already elite roster, not just swap him out with someone. So yeah, I can accept this.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 20, 2018 2:31:02 GMT
First off, Kevin Durant was on the Market? TBH, I wouldn't have been a player for him but still, wow.
This is honestly one of the best hauls I've seen for a superstar in a trade since I've been here at least.
Before giving my take on this particular deal I see a lot of gripes about "so and so could have offered more" "here was my offer etc" The thing is, everyone values what they have more. Here is my take on superstar value.
The only true equal value for KD would have been LeBron or a healthy Kawhi, same position, similar overall value.
Thing is, GMs with top 3 players at their position aren't trading them unless they are stuck and don't have an easy way to right the ship. And if you traded for said player, unless there is a major difference in salary you aren't really moving the needle enough in either direction.
So next best thing, prospect who's for sure gonna be at least all-star in a year or two or at least their career is trending towards top 10 value. Lots of those players aren't available either as evidenced by Ian not making Simmons or Embiid available, I didn't offer KAT, Brooklyn wouldn't trade KP or Booker etc etc. Plus, some of those players are good enough already to ruin a true rebuild.
What's realistic? Similar to what most teams get for stars in real life. When's the last time you've seen a real team get a huge giant haul for a superstar? For me it was the Boston-Brooklyn deal that sent Garnett and Pierce to a desperate GM who gave up WAYYYYY to much.
No one wants to be THAT Brooklyn which is why no one offers huge kings ransoms like that, except real life Brooklyn.
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So everyone offers maybe-good/probably starter level prospects and tries to balance it out with picks. That's what happened here. He took the one with the guaranteed highest pick and a 2nd extra bonus decent pick. That's a decent get IMO. He also can wait out next year, ruining that pick he doesn't have then bottom out at the trade deadline by moving any combo of Harris, Barnes, Rozier, Cauley-Stein to acquire more picks. Or just wait till the offseason.
I don't think this is rejectable personally unless someone posts an offer that is hands down WAY better. I didn't see any other deals that were way better. I think maybe Tatum, #8 and OKC 2019 pick, but then why does Utah even do that? Then they just end up with Durant and are in a worse situation than OKC already is in personnel wise.
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Summation, good deal. Congrats Hornets.
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