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Post by Alex English on Feb 22, 2018 2:57:06 GMT
Chicago Bulls trade:92 Chris Paul - $35,500,000 - $37,500,000 - $40,000,000 - $40,450,000 - $40,800,000 Denver Nuggets trade:91 John Wall - $26,889,079 - $29,309,096 - $31,946,914 - $35,461,074 72 Arron Afflalo - $13,000,000 - $14,224,917 - $14,856,070DEN 2019 2nd round pick Total: $39,889,079 Works under 125% rule
I accept. I can't tell if I'm being foolish or smart with this trade. There are plenty of reasons to not do this trade, the biggest ones being that John Wall is 5 years younger and on a smaller contract. However, there are some good reasons too. My team has historically under-performed despite my super-team roster, both this core of Harden, Wall and LMA, and the previous one of Harden, PG, and Kyrie. Maybe I've just been unlucky with the sim, or maybe my combination of players actually doesn't work well in the sim engine for whatever reason. I will live and die by James Harden, the day he goes is the day I blow this whole thing up and rebuild. With the rest of my team though, I'm willing to tweak and search for the lineup that syncs in the sim. That naturally leads to Chris Paul. He's historically performed very well in the sim and he's the new real-life backcourt partner of Harden with the Rockets. His contract may be huge, but with Afflalo heading out in this deal too, I actually save money for this season and next season. The hard cap is also coming for us all. The drop that's coming in the 19-20 season to 150% of the cap is going to be big. It should start to really impact the competitive balance of the league (for the better) and make super-teams for more difficult to keep together. As a result, I don't mind too much that this may be bad for me in the long-run, because the rules of the game will be noticeably different in the long run (and I'll cross that bridge when I get to it). I believe this trade increases the odds that I'll win a championship in the next two seasons, and that's really the ultimate thing that matters.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 22, 2018 3:17:54 GMT
And with Kawhi likely out for the rest of this season, that would be why Shane would be interested...he'll lose more this season with this trade, but be just as strong, and younger, next.
We'll see what he says / if he accepts, though.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Feb 22, 2018 3:58:10 GMT
Love this for both teams. Denver is struggling so a move like this makes sense. Paul is still a great PG and will be for years to come. And like Walt said, Kawhi likely out for the season, so trading for a younger but injured John Wall will help him drop in the standings, improve his draft position, but still be able to do some damage come playoff time (Wall will be back this season IRL, right?). Good job guys
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Feb 22, 2018 4:16:23 GMT
I accept.
I personally think CP is a better sim player than Wall so this should help Alex a lot. Fair deal on the table but now Shane is out of a PG for a bit.
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Post by Alex English on Feb 22, 2018 4:18:43 GMT
(Wall will be back this season IRL, right?). Yes. He's expected to be out 6-8 weeks. That was almost 4 weeks ago, so he should be back sometime in March.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 22, 2018 4:59:28 GMT
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Don't like this at all for Denver, if it were RL, but I understand the need to do it
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 22, 2018 7:54:16 GMT
After criticizing other GMs posting criticisms of my trade, I will now be hypocritical and criticize this one myself. I understand what Alex is doing here. He has Harden who is a top 5 player in the league in his prime, and is 28 years old. If he is ever going to win a title, Alex probably needs to do it within the next few seasons. He is taking a calculated risk by moving 27 year old John Wall for 32 (almost 33) year old Chris Paul. It is the same general concept as this Paul George & Kyrie Irving trade. However, in combination, Alex has now traded: Kyrie Irving - 25 Paul George - 27 for LaMarcus Aldridge - 32 Chris Paul - 32 Again, I understand what Alex is doing. It's about winning a championship. But the issue is sitting over in Oakland right now. Alex is going all-in during a time frame that Golden State is clearly still the better team. This trade doesn't put the Nuggets over the top, IMO, it only makes them marginally better. So let's say the Nuggets don't win this year. Suddenly CP3 and Aldridge are both 33 years old this summer, both have already shown signs of declining IMO, and you have a ton of money tied up between the two. The title window could very well be gone by this time next year. Alternatively, Alex could have kept Irving and George and tried to ride out the Warriors' reign. LeBron is 33 and that Nuggets core could have had 3 or 4 more years of prime. Surely LeBron can't still be dominating at this level at 36 years old? Anyway, just some analysis. It is a calculated risk by Alex. There's obviously nothing to reject here, but I do think GMs like Walt Frazier and Kevin Hollis, who have longer title windows, should be celebrating. The two giants of the Western Conference are now going head to head the next two years, but after that the conference is going to be wide open.
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Post by JR Wiles on Feb 22, 2018 8:12:59 GMT
Bulls didn't accept yet anyway guys.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 22, 2018 9:24:42 GMT
Woah! I did not expect to wake up to this!
Alex - you've had a bad stretch of games after Wall went down with injury, but I'm surprised you're making this move so quickly.
I agree with Barber's analysis above, but I accept.
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Post by Shane Battier on Feb 22, 2018 9:36:57 GMT
It's tough to trade Chris Paul, especially to a contender as good as Denver but with the injury of Kawhi and the hard cap coming, I have decided to make this move now. We were just one win away from winning the championship so I was planning to retain the core until next year and see how deep we'd be in the playoffs, but as I've said, the unfortunate injury of Kawhi ultimately convinced me to change my long-term plans for this team.
Chris Paul, since acquired from a trade orchestrated by Former Bulls GM Aubrey Graham, has been the franchise cornerstone of the Bulls and kept the team into contention year after year. He has been a great player on and off the court; he'll surely missed here in Chicago. We would like to thank him for his services and wish him good luck in Denver.
I accept this trade.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 22, 2018 9:49:02 GMT
I demand a farewell press conference for CP3. CP3 and Chicago has been synonymous in D5.
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Post by Shane Battier on Feb 22, 2018 10:00:15 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 22, 2018 10:05:36 GMT
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 22, 2018 10:38:34 GMT
Lol good god.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 22, 2018 12:27:00 GMT
I think enough had been said here that I agree with already. All told, I can see why both teams do it and neither gets gutted. Both good GM's in for the long haul too.
Accept
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 22, 2018 12:27:54 GMT
Excellent move by Shane. I wouldn't want to be paying Paul 40m when he is 37.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 22, 2018 12:34:19 GMT
Excellent move by Shane. I wouldn't want to be paying Paul 40m when he is 37. I'm sure Alex will move him before that for a top 3 pick in the consecutive years.
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Post by Alex English on Feb 22, 2018 21:22:46 GMT
After criticizing other GMs posting criticisms of my trade, I will now be hypocritical and criticize this one myself. I understand what Alex is doing here. He has Harden who is a top 5 player in the league in his prime, and is 28 years old. If he is ever going to win a title, Alex probably needs to do it within the next few seasons. He is taking a calculated risk by moving 27 year old John Wall for 32 (almost 33) year old Chris Paul. It is the same general concept as this Paul George & Kyrie Irving trade. However, in combination, Alex has now traded: Kyrie Irving - 25 Paul George - 27 for LaMarcus Aldridge - 32 Chris Paul - 32 Again, I understand what Alex is doing. It's about winning a championship. But the issue is sitting over in Oakland right now. Alex is going all-in during a time frame that Golden State is clearly still the better team. This trade doesn't put the Nuggets over the top, IMO, it only makes them marginally better. So let's say the Nuggets don't win this year. Suddenly CP3 and Aldridge are both 33 years old this summer, both have already shown signs of declining IMO, and you have a ton of money tied up between the two. The title window could very well be gone by this time next year. Alternatively, Alex could have kept Irving and George and tried to ride out the Warriors' reign. LeBron is 33 and that Nuggets core could have had 3 or 4 more years of prime. Surely LeBron can't still be dominating at this level at 36 years old? Anyway, just some analysis. It is a calculated risk by Alex. There's obviously nothing to reject here, but I do think GMs like Walt Frazier and Kevin Hollis, who have longer title windows, should be celebrating. The two giants of the Western Conference are now going head to head the next two years, but after that the conference is going to be wide open. I pretty much agree with all of this. The thing that's not being considered here though is the human side of it. Being a GM of a top team is honestly kind of boring. I'm basically just twiddling my thumbs and waiting to see what NBA Live decides to simulate. Only the playoffs are truly exciting as GM in my position. But even then, it's still all out of my hands. So shortening my timeframe to win a a championship doesn't really bother me. I'll either pull it off and take the title, or I won't, and then I get to blow it up and have more fun as a GM than I'm currently having. The real magic of D5 is a few years after tanking and you've amassed some young talent and you're ready to rise up and see how high you can fly. Clearly the smartest, and most realistic thing for me to do was to just hang on to Kyrie and Paul George indefinitely. The thing is though, I acquired PG in Nov 2012 and I acquired Kyrie in May 2013. That means my smartest option as a GM would've been to do more or less nothing for the last 5 years. Playing smart isn't always playing fun though. So this trade is definitely a risky thing for me, but I'll be happy with it no matter the outcome. I'm going all the way up, or setting myself up to go down hard, both have their own set of positives.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 23, 2018 11:20:40 GMT
Trade passed!
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