Vlade Divac
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 22, 2017 3:57:50 GMT
Magic Receive:
SG Victor Oladipo 79 $5,188,985/1 (via DET)
SF Kyle Singler 73 $6,776,550/$7,500,000/$8,000,000(TO) (via DET)
Magic Send:
LAC 2018 1st
ORL 2018 1st
IND 2018 2nd
Draft Rights to Anzejs Pasecniks
Incoming: $11,965,535
Outgoing: $0
ORL Cap Before: $76,981,286
ORL Cap After: $88,946,821
Pistons Receive:
PG/SG Alec Burks 78 $14,274,744/$15,844,966/$17,429,463 (VIA PHX)
LAC 2018 1st (VIA ORL)
ORL 2018 1st (VIA ORL)
IND 2018 2nd (VIA ORL)
Draft Rights to Anzejs Pasecniks (VIA ORL)
Pistons Send:
SG Victor Oladipo 79 $5,188,985/1
SF Kyle Singler 73 $6,776,550/$7,500,000/$8,000,000(TO)
TOR 2020 2nd
Incoming: $14,274,744
Outgoing: $11,965,535
Suns Receive:
TOR 2020 2nd (via DET)
Suns Send:
PG/SG Alec Burks 78 $14,274,744/$15,844,966/$17,429,463
Incoming: $14,274,744
Outgoing: $0
PHX Cap Before: $91,055,018
PHX Cap After: $76,780,274
NOTE: ORL and PHX are both under the cap, both before and after this trade, so the 125% rule does not apply to them.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jul 22, 2017 4:15:29 GMT
The Orlando Magic accept this deal.
This was a solid negotiation with Vlade and Jared, two deals that happened to fit together for us. Great working with y'all!
The way we see it, Orlando gets the best player in the deal entering a new opportunity to grow and show his abilities. We also gain Kyle Singler, a personal favorite, to make cap space work. I have long been a fan of Oladipo, since his high school days when he was balling in ye olde Maryland. I'm glad to trade for him. I lose draft rights for a guy I am okay losing, a first of a playoff LA team, a first from my own team which I believe won't be in the lottery again, and a future second. He is expiring, but I will have his Bird Rights to sign him over next off season (a big one for Orlando). The deal originally involved a 2020 Orlando first, but I was able to negotiate it to the LA first and Burks instead. That would have scared me. This does not jeopardize the future of the franchise, I believe it ignites the future if Oladipo develops more in Indiana next season.
Projected lineup before:
PG - Schroeder - 81
SG - Fournier - 79
SF - Roberson - 74
PF - Favors - 82
C - Gobert - 82
Projected lineup after:
PG - Schroeder - 81
SG - Oladipo - 79
SF - Fournier - 79
PF - Favors - 82
C - Gobert - 82
While keeping Diaw and Roberson, plus Singler, as vets off the bench, as well as the prospects of Marquese Chriss and Justin Jackson, I believe Orlando becomes more complete and more interesting moving forward.
We made the playoffs barely last season, we want to make it back and attempt a run if we can. I think this adds a dynamic to the team that allows this scenario. Maybe it's optimism, but I am an optimistic person right now.
Viva Orlando!
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Vlade Divac
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 22, 2017 4:30:20 GMT
I accept. Another team and I spent two weeks negotiating a trade, he kept arguing over whether he wanted TOR or POR 2nd round picks back, and told me Oladipo would "never be over an 83 in the league." Then all of a sudden, Blake Bowman sweeps in like a bullet from a gun and offers me a true rebuilding package for Oladipo. I obviously received a bit more for Oladipo than I gave for him. What changed? Besides Minnesota wanting to give Oladipo away for cap reasons, the Pacers in real life received Victor Oladipo in exchange for Paul George. While many people think that Indiana got ripped off, I really like Oladipo because of his off the charts athleticism in conjunction with the fact that he does produce despite still only being 25 years old. Some GMs in this league do not like Victor Oladipo for reasons I do not understand. Jeremiah made a comment that really stuck with me when he said something like Oladipo was the man for three years in Orlando and did nothing show that he is anything special. I would refute his point by saying that nothing he did demonstrated he could not be the man as he averaged 16 and 18 PPG respectively after his rookie year, along with a consistent 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 1.7 steals, while shooting 43% from the field and 35% from three for his career. Sometimes it takes these guys a while to reach their fullest potential, and I think Oladipo's production so far in conjunction with his enormous potential indicate that he could become a star someday. Worst case scenario, he is Tony Allen with more offense. That is pretty good in itself in my opinion. What is his ceiling? He looks like Dwayne Wade to me at times. Oladipo started playing basketall late, and I truly believe he will grow to become a star. I kept telling that other team that I would not consider his deal if I could not clearly be the worst team in the league. After this deal, I am CLEARLY the worst team in the league which will hopefully net me the first pick next year. Furthermore, I do not have to worry about resigning Oladipo as he might have walked on me given the crappy state of my team. To Orlando, however, Oladipo's contract is a plus because he will not possess cap space due to his recent trade for Favors. By using their bird rights acquired as part of this deal, Orlando can go over the cap to make sure that Oladipo is a Magic during the prime of his career. A young core of Schroder, Oladipo, Fournier, Favors, and Gobert will make Orlando playoff viable for the foreseeable future. If a few of these guys develop, and I honestly like them all, then Blake could start thinking about a title. I am so proud of Blake as he has grown before our eyes from a less than stellar GM to a very good GM, and I am happy to help him become one of the better teams in the east with room to grow. From my point of view, I get three picks next year that could be nice; Although, I do not for see any of them giving me even a lottery pick. I liked Anzejs Pasecniks about the same as Semi Ojeleye and am happy to add to my young talent. Alec Burke's contract is probably a negative, but I think it is sort of a perfect situation for him in DET as he will have three years to show me he could turn into something useful. He shows flashes of being good, and I am more than willing to take a gamble on him. Best of luck to Orlando and Phoenix, especially the latter  , and I enjoyed trading with you both. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 22, 2017 7:09:48 GMT
Man.. Orlando gets taken in this one.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 22, 2017 7:16:52 GMT
Wow, this is a bigger trade than people might think from the ratings. From Vlade's side, he gets to add major talent next draft, drops a Singler contract he's tried dropping on everyone, Suns get rid of the stupid Alec contract (not stupid when it was signed albeit), Magic has sucked about as long as I have and they are probably wanting to move closer to the realm of legitimacy in order to retain Gobert, which even without this I don't see him moving on that rookie deal but hey, we've seen it before. Dipo is an upside play with his role looking to be expanded in Indiana.
I haven't looked at the Eastern conference much yet, and I don't think this make's them guaranteed playoff contenders. But Gobert is probably due for an increase and they should be handily in the 14-20 range in terms of drafting.
As stands he'll be able to sign a big FA and Gobert and Schroder under his cap, Oladipo now too. IDK. Could be bad for him and could be sweet.
Normally I'd see someone trading their first and scream how stupid it is, in this case I'm kinda thinking if he was worth PG13 in real life maybe it isn't so crazy.
Overall I think Vlade, Jared are the clear winners of this deal, Blake is the loser. But if Dipo ends up fulfilling potential we all know he has in Indiana he could actually come out looking boss as hell. It's a risk but because he hasn't traded half of his 1sts in the future I'm inclined to think this trade goes through.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 22, 2017 8:19:53 GMT
This is exactly the type of deal we had in mind when introducing Bird Rights on Rookie Contracts last year. Oladipo retained his value and Detroit gets some excellent rebuilding pieces.
Really impressive trade guys, I accept twice.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 22, 2017 13:05:14 GMT
Man.. Orlando gets taken in this one. Yes, yes he does. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 22, 2017 14:03:56 GMT
Oladipo retained his value What value? I thought it was league consensus that he sucks. Orlando gets taken in this one. I can't believe anyone gave up one 1st for Oladipo, much less 2 1sts. Great job Vlade |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 22, 2017 14:08:06 GMT
Oladipo retained his value What value? I thought it was league consensus that he sucks. Orlando gets taken in this one. I can't believe anyone gave up one 1st for Oladipo, much less 2 1sts. Great job Vlade Two picks from 12-21 for a guy who is like 25 and is now the 2nd option on Indiana? This trade is great compared to what happens irl |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 22, 2017 14:09:41 GMT
The decision is not yet final.. Let the RCs do their job.. But, just to remind them, EVEN VLADE was shocked with the value being given to him.. It is my belief that the RCs are there to secure parity.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 22, 2017 14:18:41 GMT
I always forget that to accept the trade lol, I accept. Burks is on a pretty large deal and while I do have faith in him, He doesnt help me in my future plans. With burks gone, I have like 20 million in cap space and have no player above a 76
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 22, 2017 14:22:20 GMT
What value? I thought it was league consensus that he sucks. Orlando gets taken in this one. I can't believe anyone gave up one 1st for Oladipo, much less 2 1sts. Great job Vlade Two picks from 12-21 for a guy who is like 25 and is now the 2nd option on Indiana? This trade is great compared to what happens irl He is really giving up three first rounders in that the draft rights were for a player picked 25th irl. |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 22, 2017 14:25:38 GMT
Two picks from 12-21 for a guy who is like 25 and is now the 2nd option on Indiana? This trade is great compared to what happens irl He is really giving up three first rounders in that the draft rights were for a player picked 25th irl. I actually didnt see that he was trading Pasecniks too. He should have probably tried to keep him but this trade doesnt kill Orlandos future though. He has Gobert and Schroeder which will make them a viable team in the East for years |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jul 22, 2017 15:05:39 GMT
Good trade for Detroit.
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Vlade Divac
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 22, 2017 16:42:48 GMT
The decision is not yet final.. Let the RCs do their job.. But, just to remind them, EVEN VLADE was shocked with the value being given to him.. It is my belief that the RCs are there to secure parity. I was shocked because I kept getting low balled by several different teams with a particular emphasis on one. Barber just stated that there is a "league consensus" that Victor Oladipo sucks. Personally, I do not agree with that and I am pretty sure Walt does not as made that he did not want to trade him when I acquired Oladipo from the Wolves. I think the biggest issue with trading to trade Oladipo constitutes the fact that his contract expires and he could leave a team where he is not a starter (IE: Minnesota and Charlotte after signing PG expressed similar concerns) or a team that really stinks like mine. Orlando has the RARE opportunity to sign a max FA and then resign Gobert, Oladipo, and Schroder via bird rights. Those the three, the new FA, and Fournier and Favors could form a very favorable core for years to come. I wanted Anzejs Pasecniks in the trade because he is the only player, in my opinion, who could turn out better than Oladipo; Alex Burks might be able to, but I think that is a long shot at this point. The rest of the pieces are high teen to low twenty draft picks at best but I would project both the Clippers and Magic to pick from 20 to 25 after this deal and IND 1st will probably be in the top 10 but you never know with Larry Legend. Maybe I can draft well? Sure, it is possible but, honestly, that has never been my strong suit in later rounds. This is part of my change as a GM, and I am going to do my best to study like Alex, draft like Walt, run my mouth like Adam and Chauncey, and avoid injuries better than Ian Noble!  I obviously made out well with this whole Oladipo acquisition, but it more had to do with timing as Minnesota wanted to unload him for cap space and then OKC traded him to IND in real life for Paul George. Honestly, this Pistons' team needed a trade like this to get them back in the tanking game, and I am honored and humbled to have been able to pull this off. With that said, however, I do like the deal for Blake and think it could turn out for him really |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 22, 2017 23:25:41 GMT
The decision is not yet final.. Let the RCs do their job.. But, just to remind them, EVEN VLADE was shocked with the value being given to him.. It is my belief that the RCs are there to secure parity. I was shocked because I kept getting low balled by several different teams with a particular emphasis on one. Barber just stated that there is a "league consensus" that Victor Oladipo sucks. Personally, I do not agree with that and I am pretty sure Walt does not as made that he did not want to trade him when I acquired Oladipo from the Wolves. I think the biggest issue with trading to trade Oladipo constitutes the fact that his contract expires and he could leave a team where he is not a starter (IE: Minnesota and Charlotte after signing PG expressed similar concerns) or a team that really stinks like mine. Orlando has the RARE opportunity to sign a max FA and then resign Gobert, Oladipo, and Schroder via bird rights. Those the three, the new FA, and Fournier and Favors could form a very favorable core for years to come. I wanted Anzejs Pasecniks in the trade because he is the only player, in my opinion, who could turn out better than Oladipo; Alex Burks might be able to, but I think that is a long shot at this point. The rest of the pieces are high teen to low twenty draft picks at best but I would project both the Clippers and Magic to pick from 20 to 25 after this deal and IND 1st will probably be in the top 10 but you never know with Larry Legend. Maybe I can draft well? Sure, it is possible but, honestly, that has never been my strong suit in later rounds. This is part of my change as a GM, and I am going to do my best to study like Alex, draft like Walt, run my mouth like Adam and Chauncey, and avoid injuries better than Ian Noble! I obviously made out well with this whole Oladipo acquisition, but it more had to do with timing as Minnesota wanted to unload him for cap space and then OKC traded him to IND in real life for Paul George. Honestly, this Pistons' team needed a trade like this to get them back in the tanking game, and I am honored and humbled to have been able to pull this off. With that said, however, I do like the deal for Blake and think it could turn out for him really I understand the point. I do believe you also understand the other side. So, let us just wait for the decisions of the RC  |
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Vlade Divac
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 23, 2017 1:24:26 GMT
I was shocked because I kept getting low balled by several different teams with a particular emphasis on one. Barber just stated that there is a "league consensus" that Victor Oladipo sucks. Personally, I do not agree with that and I am pretty sure Walt does not as made that he did not want to trade him when I acquired Oladipo from the Wolves. I think the biggest issue with trading to trade Oladipo constitutes the fact that his contract expires and he could leave a team where he is not a starter (IE: Minnesota and Charlotte after signing PG expressed similar concerns) or a team that really stinks like mine. Orlando has the RARE opportunity to sign a max FA and then resign Gobert, Oladipo, and Schroder via bird rights. Those the three, the new FA, and Fournier and Favors could form a very favorable core for years to come. I wanted Anzejs Pasecniks in the trade because he is the only player, in my opinion, who could turn out better than Oladipo; Alex Burks might be able to, but I think that is a long shot at this point. The rest of the pieces are high teen to low twenty draft picks at best but I would project both the Clippers and Magic to pick from 20 to 25 after this deal and IND 1st will probably be in the top 10 but you never know with Larry Legend. Maybe I can draft well? Sure, it is possible but, honestly, that has never been my strong suit in later rounds. This is part of my change as a GM, and I am going to do my best to study like Alex, draft like Walt, run my mouth like Adam and Chauncey, and avoid injuries better than Ian Noble! I obviously made out well with this whole Oladipo acquisition, but it more had to do with timing as Minnesota wanted to unload him for cap space and then OKC traded him to IND in real life for Paul George. Honestly, this Pistons' team needed a trade like this to get them back in the tanking game, and I am honored and humbled to have been able to pull this off. With that said, however, I do like the deal for Blake and think it could turn out for him really I understand the point. I do believe you also understand the other side. So, let us just wait for the decisions of the RC *TC, but I agree with you. Getting Ian is always a good sign, though. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 23, 2017 9:43:09 GMT
Oladipo retained his value What value? I thought it was league consensus that he sucks. Orlando gets taken in this one. I can't believe anyone gave up one 1st for Oladipo, much less 2 1sts. Great job Vlade Oladipo is a top 3 pick. Finally getting the great opportunity. That has value. Almost gave up decent value for Dipo myself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 13:07:40 GMT
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 23, 2017 13:59:01 GMT
What value? I thought it was league consensus that he sucks. Orlando gets taken in this one. I can't believe anyone gave up one 1st for Oladipo, much less 2 1sts. Great job Vlade Oladipo is a top 3 pick. Finally getting the great opportunity. That has value. Almost gave up decent value for Dipo myself. Orlando wasn't a good opportunity? |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 23, 2017 14:01:45 GMT
Oladipo is a top 3 pick. Finally getting the great opportunity. That has value. Almost gave up decent value for Dipo myself. Orlando wasn't a good opportunity? it was let a year ago, he's gotten better and older |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 23, 2017 14:21:47 GMT
Orlando wasn't a good opportunity? it was let a year ago, he's gotten better and older To each his own, we'll see, but I think Orlando is going to regret this. Maybe I will eat my own words, who knows. Just saying, if that draft class was any good he would have been possibly outside the top 10 |
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Vlade Divac
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 23, 2017 14:35:33 GMT
it was let a year ago, he's gotten better and older To each his own, we'll see, but I think Orlando is going to regret this. Maybe I will eat my own words, who knows. Just saying, if that draft class was any good he would have been possibly outside the top 10 Ha, and I am pretty sure most teams would take him as their top 10 pick given his production during his first four years in the NBA. Why are you wasting my time even further with this garbage? |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 23, 2017 15:10:52 GMT
To each his own, we'll see, but I think Orlando is going to regret this. Maybe I will eat my own words, who knows. Just saying, if that draft class was any good he would have been possibly outside the top 10 Ha, and I am pretty sure most teams would take him as their top 10 pick given his production during his first four years in the NBA. Why are you wasting my time even further with this garbage? I don't think any team would do that |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 23, 2017 15:52:57 GMT
Ha, and I am pretty sure most teams would take him as their top 10 pick given his production during his first four years in the NBA. Why are you wasting my time even further with this garbage? I don't think any team would do that Agreed I think this is a very incredible value for Vlade, as Paul George didn't even net two first in real life |
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Vlade Divac
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 23, 2017 18:30:04 GMT
I don't think any team would do that Agreed I think this is a very incredible value for Vlade, as Paul George didn't even net two first in real life Ha, this is such stupid logic since Oladipo and Sabonis WERE 1st round picks. You are presented with a choice, Chuck my dead, and can either assume that the Indiana Pacers GM is stupid like the media tells us, or we can infer that they value Oladipo and/or Sabonis quite a bit. Let me ask you, what is your specific objection to Oladipo's game? |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 23, 2017 18:33:50 GMT
either assume that the Indiana Pacers GM is stupid like the media tells us, or we can infer that they value Oladipo and/or Sabonis quite a bit. Redundant. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 23, 2017 18:42:32 GMT
Ha, this is such stupid logic since Oladipo and Sabonis WERE 1st round picks. You are presented with a choice, Chuck my dead, and can either assume that the Indiana Pacers GM is stupid like the media tells us, or we can infer that they value Oladipo and/or Sabonis quite a bit. Let me ask you, what is your specific objection to Oladipo's game? I have no specific objection to Oladipo's game, he shoots decent, plays decent defense, distributes decently. I don't think you trade away essentially 3 firsts (1 this year, two next year) for a guy who was drafted 4 years ago unless that guy is an All-Star caliber player. And I don't know if Dipo is that right now. Maybe he can blossom into it, but I wouldn't bet on it. He was a first round pick, yes, a lotto even, but he has since shown us the type of player that he is where as those picks are valued where they are because of who they could be. Everyone loved Dipo's potential, now that we have seen where he is at in regards to it, his value is diminished. Its why everyone values picks over players. This isn't a bad trade for Blake either. He sees a spot and needs to take it, Dipo helps to solidfy his starting lineup and young core. But, I think you, Valde Divac, win this trade. I think Pritchard is an idiot. I think he knows Oladipo will sell tickets to Pacers games as a former Hoosier. I think Sabonis is a possible 3rd option for a center, which is devalued right now. But I don't think PG is worth Dipo and Sabonis, and I don't think Dipo is worth 3 first rounders. |
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 23, 2017 18:51:12 GMT
either assume that the Indiana Pacers GM is stupid like the media tells us, or we can infer that they value Oladipo and/or Sabonis quite a bit. Redundant. What do you mean exactly by this? I think people would take you more seriously if you articulated your point in a more clear and concise fashion. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 23, 2017 18:58:56 GMT
What do you mean exactly by this? I think people would take you more seriously if you articulated your point in a more clear and concise fashion. Yeah, I'm not worried about that. The Pacers GM valuing Oladipo and Sabonis that highly makes him stupid, so either way, he's stupid which makes your statement redundant. Does that help? |
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