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Post by James Kay on Jul 16, 2017 19:12:21 GMT
 Boston CelticsCeltics Send:Josh Jackson Draft RightsCameron Payne $1,574,200 $2,417,971 $3,414,175 2018 SAC 1st Round Pick Celtics Receive:Brandon Ingram $4,444,000 $4,635,300 $5,849,749 $7,633,922 Salary Before: $67,288,931 Salary After: $70,158,731  Charlotte Hornets
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Brandon Ingram $4,444,000 $4,635,300 $5,849,749 $7,633,922 Hornets Receive:Josh Jackson Draft RightsCameron Payne $1,574,200 $2,417,971 $3,414,175 2018 SAC 1st Round Pick Salary before: $71,454,796 Salary after: $68,584,996
I accept. Really, really, did not want to part with Ingram, I have incredible faith in him, he's still super young, and his attitude and month-by-month improvements had me determined to stick by him, even if it meant missing out on PG. However, Ian had been contacting me about Ingram for a long time, floating the #3 pick for Ingram, which I had turned down. However, I feel like I need to just go all in and see if I can't convince PG to come take the max at Charlotte. I think this doesn't set me back that much, as Jackson is still a great prospect, and I shore up my bench a bit with Payne. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 16, 2017 19:20:08 GMT
I accept. Me and James's discussions surrounding the 3rd Pick (and later, Josh Jackson) and Brandon Ingram started all the way back on June 3rd before either of us knew that Paul George would be a factor, there's been a lot of back and forth but obviously with the Paul George negotiations dragging out longer than any other discussion in the history of D5 it was time a deal was done. I am actually making this trade with a view to moving Ingram for a point guard, but time was of the essence so I'm happy to do this now instead of making a three-team-trade. It's tough to part ways with Josh Jackson but it's better to do it now than become emotionally attached like I do! Jerami Grant was featured in our negotiations for quite a while but I refused to include him purely because I'm sentimental towards Jerami  If I can make the extra deal with Ingram that I have planned hopefully me and the Hornets will be battling out on top of the East in a few years time! |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 16, 2017 19:29:42 GMT
Great move for both
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 16, 2017 19:44:58 GMT
I'll accept. Regardless of the cap space here, I think it's pretty fair. Maybe I'm not as into Ingram as James but this feels pretty good to me.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 16, 2017 19:47:31 GMT
Boston CelticsCeltics Send:Josh Jackson Draft RightsCameron Payne $1,574,200 $2,417,971 $3,414,175 2018 SAC 1st Round Pick Celtics Receive:Brandon Ingram $4,444,000 $4,635,300 $5,849,749 $7,633,922 Salary Before: $67,288,931 Salary After: $70,158,731 Charlotte Hornets
Hornets Send:
Brandon Ingram $4,444,000 $4,635,300 $5,849,749 $7,633,922 Hornets Receive:Josh Jackson Draft RightsCameron Payne $1,574,200 $2,417,971 $3,414,175 2018 SAC 1st Round Pick Salary before: $71,454,796 Salary after: $68,584,996
I accept. Really, really, did not want to part with Ingram, I have incredible faith in him, he's still super young, and his attitude and month-by-month improvements had me determined to stick by him, even if it meant missing out on PG. However, Ian had been contacting me about Ingram for a long time, floating the #3 pick for Ingram, which I had turned down. However, I feel like I need to just go all in and see if I can't convince PG to come take the max at Charlotte. I think this doesn't set me back that much, as Jackson is still a great prospect, and I shore up my bench a bit with Payne. Why is it that Ian only lets other people trade rape him? Jackson > Ingram 2018 Sac Pick > Most picks certainly way bigger than the perceived value difference between Ingram and Jackson. Payne is basically a nothing. Curious move to see Charlotte getting even younger once again for seemingly no reason. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 16, 2017 19:48:18 GMT
This does kind of lock up Paul George for him moneywise though.
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Jul 16, 2017 20:13:38 GMT
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 16, 2017 20:13:38 GMT
Ingram is worse tha Jackson imo, Ian must see something I don't.
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Jul 16, 2017 20:15:25 GMT
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 16, 2017 20:15:25 GMT
Accept
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 16, 2017 20:18:37 GMT
This is really bad for Ian and it should be the other way around knowing what the move is really for.
Ingram is considerably a worse prospect than Jackson, and then gives up a good looking pick with it.
What is you doin?
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 16, 2017 20:21:19 GMT
This is really bad for Ian and it should be the other way around knowing what the move is really for. Ingram is considerably a worse prospect than Jackson, and then gives up a good looking pick with it. What is you doin? That pick isn't that good looking. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 16, 2017 20:22:14 GMT
This is really bad for Ian and it should be the other way around knowing what the move is really for. Ingram is considerably a worse prospect than Jackson, and then gives up a good looking pick with it. What is you doin? That pick isn't that good looking. It actually is, sit down and watch. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 16, 2017 20:22:44 GMT
This is really bad for Ian and it should be the other way around knowing what the move is really for. Ingram is considerably a worse prospect than Jackson, and then gives up a good looking pick with it. What is you doin? That pick isn't that good looking. Still, you think ingram is with Jackson and a first? Hell no. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 16, 2017 20:24:56 GMT
That pick isn't that good looking. It actually is, sit down and watch. Danny will tell you why. So sit down. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 16, 2017 20:25:20 GMT
That pick isn't that good looking. Still, you think ingram is with Jackson and a first? Hell no. nope. Totally agree |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 16, 2017 20:27:06 GMT
Is JJ a 3? Think is his game is a lot like PGs...
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 16, 2017 20:54:00 GMT
Is JJ a 3? Think is his game is a lot like PGs... I believe PHX irl plans on plaing him at the 3 and 4. Even heard rumors of the 5 in some crazy small lineups. He's either their future Starting 3 in here or a super backup for him. Or a trade piece. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 16, 2017 20:59:47 GMT
All I am saying is people more likely than not value Jackson and a first over just Ingram. And if he plans on trading, it doesn't make sense. Unless Ian is making a trade with someone that wants Ingram over Jackson
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 16, 2017 22:13:36 GMT
this should be a reject. We should protect our commissioner.
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Post by James Kay on Jul 16, 2017 22:36:13 GMT
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 16, 2017 23:05:33 GMT
I'll accept. Regardless of the cap space here, I think it's pretty fair. Maybe I'm not as into Ingram as James but this feels pretty good to me. If you value Ingram less than James, this should be even worse. This is trade is awful for Ian. Ingram was the second pick in a draft regarded as "bad", JJ was the fourth pick, should have been third but Danny Ainge, in a loaded draft. Ingram was complete trash last season, even for a rookie. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 16, 2017 23:11:38 GMT
I'll accept. Regardless of the cap space here, I think it's pretty fair. Maybe I'm not as into Ingram as James but this feels pretty good to me. If you value Ingram less than James, this should be even worse. This is trade is awful for Ian. Ingram was the second pick in a draft regarded as "bad", JJ was the fourth pick, should have been third but Danny Ainge, in a loaded draft. Ingram was complete trash last season, even for a rookie. These are my values Charles. I may also like JJ less than most of you? Regardless there's nothing close to rejectable here. Even if my personal opinion sides one way or the other its not close to being rejectable, thus, it's an accept. |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 16, 2017 23:13:10 GMT
This isnt reject-able, the Kings 1st wont be lottery and JJ hasnt played a game yet
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 16, 2017 23:49:59 GMT
This isnt reject-able, the Kings 1st wont be lottery and JJ hasnt played a game yet Are you sure the Kings make the playoffs?
Teams Clearly Better:1. Golden State 2. Minnesota 3. Oklahoma City 4. Denver 6. Houston 8. LA Clippers Teams Around the Same:7. San Antonio Spurs Teams That Could Still Improve:5. Portland (50+ M in cap space + Kyrie and some solid role players in Redick and Anderson.) LA Lakers (24 M in cap space + two solid guards and Harrison Barnes; could they get Valancius to replace Drummond?) Memphis (50+ M in capspace + KAT, Jokic, Smart, Delly, and Iguodala)
Dallas: When does Danny Longley decide to start rebuilding? As it stands now, the Mavs remain "playoff viable." Although I give the Kings and an edge over them, Dirk used to own sim leagues for some reason. While Sacramento is better no question about it, I think the only teams that they are clearly better than is the tanking Jazz and Suns. |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 16, 2017 23:56:23 GMT
This isnt reject-able, the Kings 1st wont be lottery and JJ hasnt played a game yet Are you sure the Kings make the playoffs?
Teams Clearly Better:1. Golden State 2. Minnesota 3. Oklahoma City 4. Denver 6. Houston 8. LA Clippers Teams Around the Same:7. San Antonio Spurs Teams That Could Still Improve:5. Portland (50+ M in cap space + Kyrie and some solid role players in Redick and Anderson.) LA Lakers (24 M in cap space + two solid guards and Harrison Barnes; could they get Valancius to replace Drummond?) Memphis (50+ M in capspace + KAT, Jokic, Smart, Delly, and Iguodala)
Dallas: When does Danny Longley decide to start rebuilding? As it stands now, the Mavs remain "playoff viable." Although I give the Kings and an edge over them, Dirk used to own sim leagues for some reason. While Sacramento is better no question about it, I think the only teams that they are clearly better than is the tanking Jazz and Suns. The Clippers arent close to being better than Sac, Dwill and Batum need stockwatches and the Kings are already better. The spurs lost Jval and if Houston doesnt get PG then SAC can pass him too. How are Dallas even close to being a playoff team? |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 17, 2017 0:02:17 GMT
lmfao  I wasnt hating, you quoted the wrong person |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 17, 2017 0:04:22 GMT
This isnt reject-able, the Kings 1st wont be lottery and JJ hasnt played a game yet Are you sure the Kings make the playoffs?
Teams Clearly Better:1. Golden State 2. Minnesota 3. Oklahoma City 4. Denver 6. Houston 8. LA Clippers Teams Around the Same:7. San Antonio Spurs Teams That Could Still Improve:5. Portland (50+ M in cap space + Kyrie and some solid role players in Redick and Anderson.) LA Lakers (24 M in cap space + two solid guards and Harrison Barnes; could they get Valancius to replace Drummond?) Memphis (50+ M in capspace + KAT, Jokic, Smart, Delly, and Iguodala)
Dallas: When does Danny Longley decide to start rebuilding? As it stands now, the Mavs remain "playoff viable." Although I give the Kings and an edge over them, Dirk used to own sim leagues for some reason. While Sacramento is better no question about it, I think the only teams that they are clearly better than is the tanking Jazz and Suns. lmfao  |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 17, 2017 0:05:21 GMT
lmfao I wasnt hating, you quoted the wrong person My b. Fixed it! |
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 17, 2017 0:07:04 GMT
The Clippers still have Melo, DeAndre, Tony Parker, Faried, David Lee, and now Rondo. Sorry, they are still much better than the Kings in my opinion. The Spurs and Kings are close as JR can put IT, Rose, Turner, Gay, and Milsap. Obviously Rose may end up hurting himself, but maybe this is the year he stays health? While I would take the Kings over the Mavs, the Mavs would be a clear playoff team in the east. My point is they aren't chop liver in the slightest. Here is my major point: The Kings, at best, are a 5 seed in the west. This is giving you the Clippers whom I still think are much better than the Kings. That pick ends up in the lottery if someone gets hurt for the Kings, the Lakers, Blazers, or Grizzles improve, or the Spurs or Mavs end up ahead of them in the standings. I am not saying this to put down Chauncey Billups as he has done a good job with the team, but to say that this pick will for sure not be in the lottery is silly. I actually think probability favors it being a lottery pick as there are several teams that super close to each other battling for 6-8 in the West. As far as the trade as a whole, I would rather have Jackson and the Kings 2018 1st. Then again, I am not a huge Brandon Ingram fan as I am not sure someone that tall and skinny with below-average quickness can ever become a superstar in the NBA. I watched Josh Jackson for a bit in the summer and he did not do anything to wow me, but he does look like he is a big strong 6'8 kid with some skill. I think it's probably not a trade that should be rejected, but the SAC 2018 1st has some value. In fact, James Kay has several picks that I would like to own!  |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 17, 2017 4:44:11 GMT
I don't think it's rejectable but Ian for sure loses this trade in my eyes.
I liked Jackson less than probably almost anyone. But he was still #1 for a while even over Fultz for a while for a lot of people. I still would rather have Jackson than Ingram straight up.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 17, 2017 6:33:27 GMT
Kinda funny everyone thinks I'm getting ripped off with this deal when a significant part of negotiations was me trying to reassure James he wasn't getting ripped off, because I figured we all know the value of Ingram. Each to their own I suppose  |
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