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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 3, 2018 17:33:46 GMT
When can I put my Donovan Mitchell 90ovr stock watch in?
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Post by Ian Noble on May 3, 2018 18:17:33 GMT
When can I put my Donovan Mitchell 90ovr stock watch in? Right after Ben Simmons wins ROTY and gets his 95 stock watch
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Post by Kevin Hollis on May 3, 2018 18:31:40 GMT
NOT A ROOKIE
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Post by Ian Noble on May 3, 2018 18:37:38 GMT
And yet he's still going to win ROTY
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Post by Kevin Hollis on May 4, 2018 3:00:20 GMT
With one point?
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Post by Ian Noble on May 4, 2018 8:04:46 GMT
When can I put my Donovan Mitchell 90ovr stock watch in? Right after Ben Simmons wins ROTY and gets his 95 stock watch lol when I wrote this last night I was thinking: gee I hope Simmons follows my comment with a decent game. Turns out Simmons is trash. Stick a fork in him, he's done. OTB for picks or expiring contracts or a decent point guard, like TJ McConnell!
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 4, 2018 10:58:00 GMT
Right after Ben Simmons wins ROTY and gets his 95 stock watch lol when I wrote this last night I was thinking: gee I hope Simmons follows my comment with a decent game. Turns out Simmons is trash. Stick a fork in him, he's done. OTB for picks or expiring contracts or a decent point guard, like TJ McConnell! Brett Brown pulling TJ at the end was the reason they lost.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 4, 2018 11:04:45 GMT
lol when I wrote this last night I was thinking: gee I hope Simmons follows my comment with a decent game. Turns out Simmons is trash. Stick a fork in him, he's done. OTB for picks or expiring contracts or a decent point guard, like TJ McConnell! Brett Brown pulling TJ at the end was the reason they lost. I agree TJ > Simmons
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Post by Kevin Hollis on May 4, 2018 11:33:06 GMT
Just giving you a hard time. It was pretty embarrassing for him to only have one point though.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 4, 2018 12:14:17 GMT
Brett Brown pulling TJ at the end was the reason they lost. I agree TJ > Simmons No. Its just so Spursy. I've seen Pop pull stars having a bad game. The bench gets them back in it and then he gives the bench a chance to win it. Pop has done it in playoff games before.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 4, 2018 17:05:43 GMT
No. Its just so Spursy. I've seen Pop pull stars having a bad game. The bench gets them back in it and then he gives the bench a chance to win it. Pop has done it in playoff games before. Brett Brown should've done that last night but I think it would've been too huge of a public criticism on Simmons, so he got subbed back in and they lost. The Celtics had the perfect gameplan for Simmons. It's up to him how he responds now.
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Post by George Gervin on May 5, 2018 14:28:33 GMT
No. Its just so Spursy. I've seen Pop pull stars having a bad game. The bench gets them back in it and then he gives the bench a chance to win it. Pop has done it in playoff games before. Brett Brown should've done that last night but I think it would've been too huge of a public criticism on Simmons, so he got subbed back in and they lost. The Celtics had the perfect gameplan for Simmons. It's up to him how he responds now. Simmons desperately needs a 12-18 ft jumper; I don’t think a reliable 3 pt shot is necessary for him, but that mid range and working on his post game should be his next goals, cause no PG physically can defend him. Smart did a good job but even he’s gonna get worn down playing Simmons.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 5, 2018 17:22:18 GMT
No. Its just so Spursy. I've seen Pop pull stars having a bad game. The bench gets them back in it and then he gives the bench a chance to win it. Pop has done it in playoff games before. Brett Brown should've done that last night but I think it would've been too huge of a public criticism on Simmons, so he got subbed back in and they lost. The Celtics had the perfect gameplan for Simmons. It's up to him how he responds now. Speak of the devil Mitchell had his "I'm a rookie too" game right after Simmons did lol.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 5, 2018 18:37:30 GMT
Brett Brown should've done that last night but I think it would've been too huge of a public criticism on Simmons, so he got subbed back in and they lost. The Celtics had the perfect gameplan for Simmons. It's up to him how he responds now. Speak of the devil Mitchell had his "I'm a rookie too" game right after Simmons did lol. B.U.S.T. Jazz should trade him for cap space. Recency bias is so ugly lol
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Post by Ian Noble on May 10, 2018 13:59:21 GMT
Jaylen, healing from injury, led the C's last night
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Post by George Gervin on May 10, 2018 15:33:59 GMT
Jaylen, healing from injury, led the C's last night Tatum also stepped up big time while Fultz sat on the bench...just more salt in the wound for Philly fans
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Post by Ian Noble on May 10, 2018 15:58:33 GMT
Jaylen, healing from injury, led the C's last night Tatum also stepped up big time while Fultz sat on the bench...just more salt in the wound for Philly fans Fultz has the skills to be Hardenesqe but his mentality lets him down. Hopefully won't last long considering he's surrounded by vets and hard working guys like TJ McConnell, even Ben Simmons's mental approach is admirable imho. edit: probably also some rust after his injury
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Post by Jared Montini on May 10, 2018 16:20:18 GMT
Fultz is going to be rated at least an 86 by the end of his careert
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Post by George Gervin on May 10, 2018 16:42:05 GMT
Tatum also stepped up big time while Fultz sat on the bench...just more salt in the wound for Philly fans Fultz has the skills to be Hardenesqe but his mentality lets him down. Hopefully won't last long considering he's surrounded by vets and hard working guys like TJ McConnell, even Ben Simmons's mental approach is admirable imho. edit: probably also some rust after his injury I think Simmons mentality will wear on Fultz— there were times towards the end of the regular season where Fultz was being careless/let teams back in where Simmons body language wasn’t great. McConnell is an FA and likely to get paid MLE or better— I could also see a scenario where McConnell is brought back and Fultz, Covington, and one of the stashed players gets traded for a third piece (Kawhi, anyone??)
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Post by Kevin Hollis on May 10, 2018 17:22:19 GMT
See that stat last night? Something like Simmons only made 4 out of 24 shots beyond 4 feet or something stupid like that? Having trouble finding the exact stats. Needs to spend his entire summer shooting.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on May 10, 2018 17:27:50 GMT
See that stat last night? Something like Simmons only made 4 out of 24 shots beyond 4 feet or something stupid like that? Having trouble finding the exact stats. Needs to spend his entire summer shooting. He needs to start shooting with the correct hand
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Post by Chauncey Billups on May 10, 2018 18:27:33 GMT
Fultz has the skills to be Hardenesqe but his mentality lets him down. Hopefully won't last long considering he's surrounded by vets and hard working guys like TJ McConnell, even Ben Simmons's mental approach is admirable imho. edit: probably also some rust after his injury I think Simmons mentality will wear on Fultz— there were times towards the end of the regular season where Fultz was being careless/let teams back in where Simmons body language wasn’t great. McConnell is an FA and likely to get paid MLE or better— I could also see a scenario where McConnell is brought back and Fultz, Covington, and one of the stashed players gets traded for a third piece (Kawhi, anyone??) I've noticed his body language too and I don't think it's a good sign. I think I hopped on the Simmons bandwagon too soon. After actually watching him play the past 2 series I'm not totally convinced of his (future) superstardom. His lack of effort is concerning sometimes, especially compared to Mitchell who seems to have an internal fire burning at all times.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 10, 2018 19:09:22 GMT
I think Simmons mentality will wear on Fultz— there were times towards the end of the regular season where Fultz was being careless/let teams back in where Simmons body language wasn’t great. McConnell is an FA and likely to get paid MLE or better— I could also see a scenario where McConnell is brought back and Fultz, Covington, and one of the stashed players gets traded for a third piece (Kawhi, anyone??) I've noticed his body language too and I don't think it's a good sign. I think I hopped on the Simmons bandwagon too soon. After actually watching him play the past 2 series I'm not totally convinced of his (future) superstardom. His lack of effort is concerning sometimes, especially compared to Mitchell who seems to have an internal fire burning at all times. I wonder whether other coaches will replicate what Stevens did in his defensive approach to the Sixers - have big-men marking Simmons but sagging back to the shoulders of the key, simultaneously knowing full well 1) Simmons is never going to shoot it from outside, 2) sagging back to stop Simmons from driving and 3) sagging back so they can also provide help defense if Embiid gets the ball or someone else drives it, freeing up wing players to be tougher on perimeter D and shutting down Philly's 3 point shooting (which was similarly woeful).
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Post by George Gervin on May 10, 2018 19:30:29 GMT
See that stat last night? Something like Simmons only made 4 out of 24 shots beyond 4 feet or something stupid like that? Having trouble finding the exact stats. Needs to spend his entire summer shooting. He needs to start shooting with the correct hand This^. I don’t know why he or someone on that staff/his circle haven’t realized he needs to totally overhaul his dominant hand and form.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 10, 2018 21:00:24 GMT
Alternate Timeline:
Heat somehow win the 1st Round
Simmons finishes his first Playoffs averaging a Triple Double
Nobody calls him trash ever again
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Post by Chris Mullin on May 10, 2018 21:18:12 GMT
I've noticed his body language too and I don't think it's a good sign. I think I hopped on the Simmons bandwagon too soon. After actually watching him play the past 2 series I'm not totally convinced of his (future) superstardom. His lack of effort is concerning sometimes, especially compared to Mitchell who seems to have an internal fire burning at all times. I wonder whether other coaches will replicate what Stevens did in his defensive approach to the Sixers - have big-men marking Simmons but sagging back to the shoulders of the key, simultaneously knowing full well 1) Simmons is never going to shoot it from outside, 2) sagging back to stop Simmons from driving and 3) sagging back so they can also provide help defense if Embiid gets the ball or someone else drives it, freeing up wing players to be tougher on perimeter D and shutting down Philly's 3 point shooting (which was similarly woeful). While Brad Stevens should get a lot of credit for Boston's defensive adjustments in regards to Simmons, it was very surprising to me the lack of adjustments/creativity the Philly coaching staff showed to try and combat what Boston was doing defensively. Most teams in the NBA switch ball screens these days, which if you have a non shooter (Simmons) coming off of the screen the defender of the screener doesn't have to get up and guard him to prevent an open shot from the perimeter which makes it very difficult to drive the ball and makes it difficult to space the floor as Ian mentioned above. With this in mind, it really surprised me that Philly didn't make Simmons the screener more instead of the ball handler in ball screen situations. Assuming that teams are still going to switch the ball screen, making Simmons the screener would have opened things up more for Philly and put Simmons in a better position to be effective IMO. By doing this Simmons would be screening and rolling to the rim with a smaller defender trying to guard him most likely which could open up a few things: 1) Simmons is now down around the basket where he can post up the smaller defender and he is now in an area on the court where he is a bigger threat to score the ball. If teams don't double him in the post then he should be able to score over smaller defenders. If teams do double him in the post then he can now facilitate the action from down around the basket where using his size/passing ability he can pass the ball out of the post to open shooters. 2) Simmons receives the ball after screening where he is now going toward the basket in a situation where his defender (who switches off of the ball handler) is on his side or behind him giving the Simmons the advantage. If help defenders don't rotate over to get in front of him then he has a clear lane to the basket. If help defenders have to come over to get in front of him now he's passing the ball to an open shooter or causing yet another defender to have to rotate to help on the now open shooter which usually results in a "1 more pass" to an even more wide open shooter. If the primary help defender is guarding someone close to the rim then it should result in Simmons throwing a lob to the rim for an easy dunk. 3) The initial defender guarding Simmons is now forced to guard a smaller/quicker player most likely. If Simmons is screening for someone capable of coming off of a screen and hitting a shot from the perimeter then his defender is forced to have to get up and guard that player which would help solve the lack of spacing issue that they were faced with along with potential mismatch issues from having a bigger defender on a smaller/quicker player. Most teams can make 1-2 defensive help rotations in a possession. By doing this though it would force teams to have to make at minimum 2 rotations if not 3-4 which is very difficult to do in basketball in general, but especially in the NBA with some of the rules they have in regards to the placement of help defense. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 10, 2018 22:35:52 GMT
Simple take, Ben Simmons is a rookie with no playoff experience and a giant hole in his offensive game. Not that hard to take him out of a game. Thought Boston got more cheap calls compared to Philly (same with Houston vs NOP). The primary difference being that Boston is playoff hardened and tested. Outside of like 3 guys on Philly I think everyone was in their first time.
Inexperience, a few bad calls, and their star player can't score.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on May 11, 2018 2:44:56 GMT
Alternate Timeline: Heat somehow win the 1st Round Simmons finishes his first Playoffs averaging a Triple Double Nobody calls him trash ever again The heat were also terrible. No one on the team that matched up physically.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 16, 2018 11:50:12 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on May 24, 2018 20:09:04 GMT
Ben Simmons 36 Donovan Mitchell 2 Butthurt Jazz Fans 10,329,021
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