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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 8, 2017 3:38:38 GMT
Minnesota Receives76 Kris Dunn $3,990,700 $4,162,600 $5,261,526 $6,903,123 Total: $3,990,700 Orlando Receives82 Derrick Favors $21,908,586 $24,318,530 $26,993,568 $29,962,860 Total: $21,908,586 Clint Capela is my new guy at Center. I just like his game better next to Blake Griffin, to be honest. I think he's made huge strides and I'm committed to him as my Center for the next 5 seasons, and beyond. It makes zero sense for me to keep a guy as valuable as Favors, especially with him being paid like the starting frontcourt player he is, on the bench. So, I get a bit of value in Kris Dunn. He really didn't look that great in Minny (IRL) last season, but now going to the Bulls he gets a new chance. It's risky though, and Favors is obviously the better player, but I get a backup PG for the future, maybe more, and get a lot of cap space that I am going to need to make a very interesting offer right now. Accept. Blake Bowman
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 8, 2017 3:41:14 GMT
Jesus
You shouldn't be able to trade Favors for shit right now, the league has you over a barrel and you get a former lotto pick
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 8, 2017 3:48:35 GMT
Jesus You shouldn't be able to trade Favors for shit right now, the league has you over a barrel and you get a former lotto pick Not at all tbh. If you're talking about Capela, he's my starter regardless. If this gets rejected and no one wants Favors and I have to hold him, Capela is starting all season long because I like him at C next to Blake better than I like Favors next to Blake, plain and simple. Don't know how many times I have to say that for you Charles, but it's honestly the truth, 100%. This is good for both teams. He gets Favors pretty cheaply, but I get a player with some upside at least, and save some cap. |
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 8, 2017 3:52:10 GMT
Jesus You shouldn't be able to trade Favors for shit right now, the league has you over a barrel and you get a former lotto pick  |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 8, 2017 3:52:16 GMT
Jesus You shouldn't be able to trade Favors for shit right now, the league has you over a barrel and you get a former lotto pick Not at all tbh. If you're talking about Capela, he's my starter regardless. If this gets rejected and no one wants Favors and I have to hold him, Capela is starting all season long because I like him at C next to Blake better than I like Favors next to Blake, plain and simple. Don't know how many times I have to say that for you Charles, but it's honestly the truth, 100%. This is good for both teams. He gets Favors pretty cheaply, but I get a player with some upside at least, and save some cap. The highlighted part is why you should be at a huge disadvantage right now. It isn't Favors for Dunn Its Favors for Dunn and Crowder, or Favors for Dunn and Durant, or Favors for Dunn and PG. If a FA wants to win, Minny is a really good destination to do that. It is a win-win, technically. You're just winning a lot more than Blake. And I feel like Dunn is gonna be a solid player |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 8, 2017 4:00:12 GMT
Not at all tbh. If you're talking about Capela, he's my starter regardless. If this gets rejected and no one wants Favors and I have to hold him, Capela is starting all season long because I like him at C next to Blake better than I like Favors next to Blake, plain and simple. Don't know how many times I have to say that for you Charles, but it's honestly the truth, 100%. This is good for both teams. He gets Favors pretty cheaply, but I get a player with some upside at least, and save some cap. The highlighted part is why you should be at a huge disadvantage right now. It isn't Favors for Dunn Its Favors for Dunn and Crowder, or Favors for Dunn and Durant, or Favors for Dunn and PG. If a FA wants to win, Minny is a really good destination to do that. It is a win-win, technically. You're just winning a lot more than Blake. And I feel like Dunn is gonna be a solid player I think that's very hypothetical and we shouldn't dock teams based on "what ifs". What Walt does with his cap space shouldn't be a factor in deciding this trade. He could technically miss out on all of those guys. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 8, 2017 4:00:57 GMT
Not at all tbh. If you're talking about Capela, he's my starter regardless. If this gets rejected and no one wants Favors and I have to hold him, Capela is starting all season long because I like him at C next to Blake better than I like Favors next to Blake, plain and simple. Don't know how many times I have to say that for you Charles, but it's honestly the truth, 100%. This is good for both teams. He gets Favors pretty cheaply, but I get a player with some upside at least, and save some cap. The highlighted part is why you should be at a huge disadvantage right now. It isn't Favors for Dunn Its Favors for Dunn and Crowder, or Favors for Dunn and Durant, or Favors for Dunn and PG. If a FA wants to win, Minny is a really good destination to do that. It is a win-win, technically. You're just winning a lot more than Blake. And I feel like Dunn is gonna be a solid player We've seen a lot of situations where crap players on big contracts move and they need to be accompanied by a 1st. This is a really good player (honestly, I still like Favors a lot, but I gotta do what I gotta do with the opportunity that is potentially available here) and he makes more than this less good player, but it's really not that far off. I move the better player who makes more for the less good player who makes less. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 8, 2017 4:01:53 GMT
The highlighted part is why you should be at a huge disadvantage right now. It isn't Favors for Dunn Its Favors for Dunn and Crowder, or Favors for Dunn and Durant, or Favors for Dunn and PG. If a FA wants to win, Minny is a really good destination to do that. It is a win-win, technically. You're just winning a lot more than Blake. And I feel like Dunn is gonna be a solid player I think that's very hypothetical and we shouldn't dock teams based on "what ifs". What Walt does with his cap space shouldn't be a factor in deciding this trade. He could technically miss out on all of those guys. I'm taking a leap of faith. Granted, I at least get a player who has some potential. I had 3 or 4 offers total on the table, this is the one that I liked the most. Blake wanted Favors more than the others did. So he wins, and makes his team a LOT better. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 8, 2017 4:04:11 GMT
The highlighted part is why you should be at a huge disadvantage right now. It isn't Favors for Dunn Its Favors for Dunn and Crowder, or Favors for Dunn and Durant, or Favors for Dunn and PG. If a FA wants to win, Minny is a really good destination to do that. It is a win-win, technically. You're just winning a lot more than Blake. And I feel like Dunn is gonna be a solid player I think that's very hypothetical and we shouldn't dock teams based on "what ifs". What Walt does with his cap space shouldn't be a factor in deciding this trade. He could technically miss out on all of those guys. He's not going to miss though........................................................................................................................................................... |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 8, 2017 4:04:43 GMT
I think that's very hypothetical and we shouldn't dock teams based on "what ifs". What Walt does with his cap space shouldn't be a factor in deciding this trade. He could technically miss out on all of those guys. I'm taking a leap of faith. Granted, I at least get a player who has some potential. I had 3 or 4 offers total on the table, this is the one that I liked the most. Blake wanted Favors more than the others did. So he wins, and makes his team a LOT better. Sounds like Charles might be worried that you snag a guy that he's going after. Either way, I don't find anything wrong with this..but it's not up to me. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 8, 2017 4:05:43 GMT
I think that's very hypothetical and we shouldn't dock teams based on "what ifs". What Walt does with his cap space shouldn't be a factor in deciding this trade. He could technically miss out on all of those guys. He's not going to miss though........................................................................................................................................................... He probably won't, but why should he be punished for trying to clear cap space? Doesn't make any sense. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 8, 2017 4:06:36 GMT
I think that's very hypothetical and we shouldn't dock teams based on "what ifs". What Walt does with his cap space shouldn't be a factor in deciding this trade. He could technically miss out on all of those guys. I'm taking a leap of faith. Granted, I at least get a player who has some potential. I had 3 or 4 offers total on the table, this is the one that I liked the most. Blake wanted Favors more than the others did. So he wins, and makes his team a LOT better. w/e |
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 8, 2017 4:06:50 GMT
I'm taking a leap of faith. Granted, I at least get a player who has some potential. I had 3 or 4 offers total on the table, this is the one that I liked the most. Blake wanted Favors more than the others did. So he wins, and makes his team a LOT better. Sounds like Charles might be worried that you snag a guy that he's going after. Either way, I don't find anything wrong with this..but it's not up to me. Houston is a part of Texas, now!  |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 8, 2017 4:10:00 GMT
He probably won't, but why should he be punished for trying to clear cap space? Doesn't make any sense. He wouldn't be being punished. He would be asked to pay the market price for moving Favors and freeing that much space. The market price is not to receive Kris Dunn, a top 5 fucking pick last season. for Derrick Favors, Mr. 9 and 6 last season. 26 years old, a bajillion dollar contract coming off a bad injury. Even if he wasn't about to sign Durant or Crowder or whoever the fuck, that's not the price for Favors Its w/e |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 8, 2017 4:12:50 GMT
Sounds like Charles might be worried that you snag a guy that he's going after. Either way, I don't find anything wrong with this..but it's not up to me. Houston is a part of Texas, now! Even if he isn't competing with me over a player, I just lost to this team in the playoffs, I compete with these teams all year, why in the world shouldn't I fight against a trade I feel is in no way fair? Should I just sit idly by as I watch my rivals get better than me? Or should I actually try to do something about it? |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 8, 2017 4:13:35 GMT
Am I the only one that thinks Dunn sucked last year? This trade is definitely fair, favors is gonna be a key piece to a revamped jazz team and Dunn still can't shoot
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 8, 2017 4:14:44 GMT
Houston is a part of Texas, now! Even if he isn't competing with me over a player, I just lost to this team in the playoffs, I compete with these teams all year, why in the world shouldn't I fight against a trade I feel is in no way fair? Should I just sit idly by as I watch my rivals get better than me? Or should I actually try to do something about it?  You are better than me, at least! |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 8, 2017 4:16:55 GMT
Houston is a part of Texas, now! Even if he isn't competing with me over a player, I just lost to this team in the playoffs, I compete with these teams all year, why in the world shouldn't I fight against a trade I feel is in no way fair? Should I just sit idly by as I watch my rivals get better than me? Or should I actually try to do something about it? You should do something about it and make YOUR team better. |
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jul 8, 2017 4:21:39 GMT
I accept this deal. I have Schroeder at the point guard position and I want him to know his role is safe here going into a contract year, and I feel this deal adds a solid player down low to pair with Rudy while giving some scoring relief to Fournier. This move makes Orlando better, this is what I've been trying to do with this team. I have more moves in mind for this off season, but this came up and I liked the deal. I have been offered guards primarily for Dunn, and that would just further clog up that area of the court. I like my lineup of Schroeder-Fournier-Diaw (or Jackson, I don't know yet)-Favors-Gobert, but I could keep up the last lineup with Chriss starting and have a solid big guy off the bench in Favors kind of like Milwaukee utilizes Greg Monroe. If that is read as a jumble of words rather than how I intended, I apologize, I am using my phone to post this. If needed, further reasoning can come from me, but I value Favors more than Dunn for the future of this franchise as the team stands.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 8, 2017 4:34:21 GMT
Personally I think Walt is getting destroyed in this trade. Favors is having a rough time adjusting to Gobert but he'll figure it out. I think in reality Favors is a center so if he gets moved it might benefit both Utah and whoever gets him.
This crap about Dunn being a top 5 draft pick is stupid. Last year's draft sucked and Dunn sucked. Dunn was not even that high for me last year. Favors was the 3rd pick and is only 25 years old. He had kind of a shit season last year but he can bounce back. The contract is only bad because of that team option. If he bounces back then Blake is probably not gonna have the cap that year to resign him. That is the only factor that makes this trade not entirely lopsided against Walt.
Overall I like the trade in terms of it being fair because literally both of them get screwed.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 8, 2017 4:47:01 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 8, 2017 9:41:53 GMT
I accept. I'm really happy for Blake Bowman and Orlando in this trade. Despite the disparity in contract size here his lineup is going to look legit after this trade. C - Gobert F - Favors F - someone G - Fournier G - Shroeder I'm jealous! I think Walt gets the worse end of the trade but his team is good enough to take the hit, and Dunn might find a new lease of life in Chicago. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 8, 2017 10:39:17 GMT
The people who are saying Dunn sucked after a single season, sucked!
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 8, 2017 10:48:11 GMT
If anyone watched Favors last year, you would see that he sucked not because Gobert got better, but because he has lost athleticism and simply is too slow and untalented to play in today's NBA. If someone started a stock watch for him right now, he would go down to 75-77. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he is benched in real life this year. He is chronic knee problems that aren't going away.
This is a potential franchise-crippling move for Blake and I think he is really going to regret it 12 months from now. He would have been better off keeping Dunn and offering this cap space to Capela, Valanciunas, or someone like that.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 8, 2017 15:40:45 GMT
Agree with Barber. Walt is getting out of a bad contract with a declining player. Orlando getting the hose by giving up a high ceiling player that is still unknown.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 8, 2017 16:23:45 GMT
Think you're both crazy Kevin Hollis & Andrei KirilenkoNot the first time I've had a thought like that directed at you two though, so, holding to form! lol |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 8, 2017 17:27:38 GMT
From what Walt said in my trade with BKN, this trade should be rejected. Kris Dunn was a backup for a 35 win team and you're trading a way favors who is a lot better than Z-Bo
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 8, 2017 17:53:13 GMT
From what Walt said in my trade with BKN, this trade should be rejected. Kris Dunn was a backup for a 35 win team and you're trading a way favors who is a lot better than Z-Bo A 22 year old rookie top 5 pick on a decently competitive team vs a 27 year old career backup on a horrible team is a liiiiiittle different. Someone is bitter. |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 8, 2017 18:03:32 GMT
From what Walt said in my trade with BKN, this trade should be rejected. Kris Dunn was a backup for a 35 win team and you're trading a way favors who is a lot better than Z-Bo A 22 year old rookie top 5 pick on a decently competitive team vs a 27 year old career backup on a horrible team is a liiiiiittle different. Someone is bitter. Kris Dunn cant shoot and is already 22 years old, you know what non shooting does to a player, Payton and even Fox may never prosper in the league due to there jumper. If I was on the TC I would accept but if we were going by your logic then it should be rejected. Favors and Z-Bo have a big gap between them too |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 8, 2017 18:08:14 GMT
Kris Dunn is 23 actually. We need to stop treating him like a prospect.
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