BKN-PHX

[Jared Montini]

BKN trades


75 Sean Kilpatrick $8,010,000 $7,128,900 $6,344,721
DAL 2020 2nd



PHX trades 

80 Zach Randolph $16,500,293



Accept, theres a guy I wanna gamble on at 58 and Kil is decent for BKN. This is contingent on the Lal Phx trade passing

[James Kay]

lmao how is the LAL PHX trade supposed to be passable when there's so obviously a better market there for randolph

[Andrei Kirilenko]

I accept. I saw Randolph getting thrown around as a salary dump yesterday so I decided to see if i could get him for cheap. I feel like I'll be able to move him for more value than this if i put the time in, and worst case scenario I can just cut him and this trade was a salary dump.

[Jared Montini]

Jul 7, 2017 22:56:32 GMT James Kay said:

lmao how is the LAL PHX trade supposed to be passable when there's so obviously a better market there for randolph

magic wants to clear cap, I'm taking on salary for this. In the Lal-Phx trade I'm taking on max money for a 1st.

[Jared Montini]

Jul 7, 2017 22:56:32 GMT James Kay said:

lmao how is the LAL PHX trade supposed to be passable when there's so obviously a better market there for randolph

magic wants to clear cap, I'm taking on salary for this. In the Lal-Phx trade I'm taking on max money for a 1st.

[JR Wiles]

Randolph worth way more...

[Jared Montini]

If he was worth alot than teams other than the Kings would want him irl

[Charles Barkley]

Jul 7, 2017 23:04:13 GMT Jared Montini said:

Jul 7, 2017 22:56:32 GMT James Kay said:

lmao how is the LAL PHX trade supposed to be passable when there's so obviously a better market there for randolph

magic wants to clear cap, I'm taking on salary for this. In the Lal-Phx trade I'm taking on max money for a 1st.

Feel like you posting this makes that trade look bad, prolly shoulda waited until the other gets accepted

[Jared Montini]

Jul 8, 2017 0:52:58 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Jul 7, 2017 23:04:13 GMT Jared Montini said:

magic wants to clear cap, I'm taking on salary for this. In the Lal-Phx trade I'm taking on max money for a 1st.

Feel like you posting this makes that trade look bad, prolly shoulda waited until the other gets accepted

I know, I waited a bit and theres 2 accepts so far. But tbh this shouldn't effect the other verdict because these are different types of trades

[Charles Barkley]

Jul 8, 2017 0:58:17 GMT Jared Montini said:

Jul 8, 2017 0:52:58 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Feel like you posting this makes that trade look bad, prolly shoulda waited until the other gets accepted

I know, I waited a bit and theres 2 accepts so far. But tbh this shouldn't effect the other verdict because these are different types of trades

IMO that other trade should be rejected. Its absolutely awful and highway robbery for yourself, evidence more in this trade. Which I guess means you're being a good GM

[Ian Noble]

A big expiring contract of a still talented declining veteran like Zach Randolph is worth a lot more to a contender than a deadweight contract and #58. I reject.

[Walt Frazier]

I'm on the edge but I think Kilpatrick hurts this just enough that it could be a reject.

That said, I'm not voting yet.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

I know you guys don't watch the Nets but for the record, Kilpatrick averaged 13/4/2 last year in 25 minutes. His per 36 is 19/6/3 and he is 27 years old. Wouldn't exactly call him dead weight.

[Chauncey Billups]

You guys can be a bunch of Nazis sometimes. There's no way this trade is rejectable.

I think the trade committee should work like an ideal jury. Is this trade rejectable beyond a reasonable doubt? No.

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 8, 2017 15:01:10 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I know you guys don't watch the Nets but for the record, Kilpatrick averaged 13/4/2 last year in 25 minutes. His per 36 is 19/6/3 and he is 27 years old. Wouldn't exactly call him dead weight.

Josh, you are probably the single biggest purveyor of the "stats on a terrible team mean little to nothing" in this league. It was always your biggest gripe against Kevin Love's rating. Yet here you are talking up a player on one of the worst teams in the league last year who wasn't even able to carve out a starting role. He was a rotational player, with OK stats, but my biggest beef is his 41.5% FG and just average 34.1% from 3. 27 means the upside is gone, and while his 2.2 apg are OK, then 1.9 TO that accompanied it show he's a pretty flawed player.

He's a backup on one of the worst teams in the league type of player. His salary is a bit of a negative, the pick is a total flyer, and ZBo can still play a bit and has a valuable contract.

IJS.

[Jared Montini]

I like kilpatrick, Zbo doesn't fit with my current plans because of his age but Kilpatrick will probably start for me. If this gets rejected that's ridiculous

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 8, 2017 17:24:54 GMT Jared Montini said:

I like kilpatrick, Zbo doesn't fit with my current plans because of his age but Kilpatrick will probably start for me. If this gets rejected that's ridiculous

What do you like about him?

[Walt Frazier]

I'm still thinking about this, no vote from me yet.

[Jared Montini]

Jul 8, 2017 17:51:48 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Jul 8, 2017 17:24:54 GMT Jared Montini said:

I like kilpatrick, Zbo doesn't fit with my current plans because of his age but Kilpatrick will probably start for me. If this gets rejected that's ridiculous

What do you like about him?

34% from 3, 84 from the line and  he has room to grow. If he can get like a 78 rating at one point then I can trade him to a contending team

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 8, 2017 18:00:33 GMT Jared Montini said:

Jul 8, 2017 17:51:48 GMT Walt Frazier said:

What do you like about him?

34% from 3, 84 from the line and  he has room to grow. If he can get like a 78 rating at one point then I can trade him to a contending team

You don't think it's more likely that a 27 year old with a career 34% from 3, a career basically 1-1 ast/to rate, doesn't really get defensive stats, poor FG% as well... Isn't it more likely he just fades out of the league when the Nets get a little better and don't bring him back? Or at least more likely that he gets fewer minutes rather than more.

I'm still thinking about it but this guy isn't good for much other than FT shooting. Aside from that he looks average/replaceable or below average across the board, and at 27 doesn't have much of an argument for potential aside from the fact that no other teams really took a chance on him out of college.

4 games with Minnesota in 2014-15 an d8 games with Denver in 2015-16.

Hes a 10-day contract guy who stuck on the horrible Nets because he was cheap.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Jul 8, 2017 18:08:35 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Hes a 10-day contract guy who stuck on the horrible Nets because he was cheap.

This isn't true at all. He was one of our better players last year and had a bunch of 20+ point games (and even a 38 point game).

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 8, 2017 18:11:09 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Jul 8, 2017 18:08:35 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Hes a 10-day contract guy who stuck on the horrible Nets because he was cheap.

This isn't true at all. He was one of our better players last year and had a bunch of 20+ point games (and even a 38 point game).

Lol. Real life Nets is what I was talking about.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Jul 8, 2017 18:17:31 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Jul 8, 2017 18:11:09 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

This isn't true at all. He was one of our better players last year and had a bunch of 20+ point games (and even a 38 point game).

Lol. Real life Nets is what I was talking about.

Me too

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 8, 2017 18:20:21 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Jul 8, 2017 18:17:31 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Lol. Real life Nets is what I was talking about.

Me too

OK fine. I will again point to how horrible a team he was on, your favorite argument against players on bad teams that you don't like.

[Danny Longley]

I'll Accept- I don't like it, but I don't think it's damaging enough to reject. Kilpatrick's contract is practically a decreasing MLE, equivalent of about 5m pre salary cap-jump. I doubt I would've rejected a 5m deal back then, not doing it now.

[Alex English]

Kilpatrick is not dead weight and his contract isn't that bad since it's declining. A solid bench player making $6-7 mil is fine in the current market. There is probably a better offer out there for Randolph, but I don't think it's our position to grade trades. We judge on a pass/fail metric where the only thing that matters is if it's good enough. This one makes it over the bar imo. I accept.

[Walt Frazier]

Eh. I suppose I don't like anyone in this trade and also hard to say anyone is really hurting themselves THAT much.

I'll accept.

[Ian Noble]

Wow! Trade passed marginally.

[Jared Montini]

2nd round pick changed from 58 to 2020 Dal 2nd

[Jared Montini]

is that okay?