Clint Capela - MIN (BR)

[Bryan Colangelo]

Clint is heading back to Minny!

Year 1: $15,500,000
Year 2: $16,662,500
Year 3: $17,825,000
Year 4: $18,987,500
Year 5: $20,150,000


We had two teams going after my client and Clint decided to return home to the team who believed in him. He loves Minny and how much they achieved last year. He is hoping to help bring back the championship to Minny organization very soon! Also, He was promised the starting Center role for he Wolves.

[Glenn Robinson]

Great deal for Walt. Surprised teams with cap space didn't try to give him more.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

This is a steal, especially as the primary beneficiary of the CP3 trade. I am surprised he was not demanding close to the max.

Guess that means Derrick Favors is gone, second time someone has signed with Minnesota with a trade contingency in place.

[Jared Montini]

Jul 7, 2017 19:48:11 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

This is a steal, especially as the primary beneficiary of the CP3 trade. I am surprised he was not demanding close to the max.

Guess that means Derrick Favors is gone, second time someone has signed with Minnesota with a trade contingency in place.

Couldn't Walt match any contract offered, thats why I didnt consider him?

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Jul 7, 2017 19:45:46 GMT Glenn Robinson said:

Great deal for Walt. Surprised teams with cap space didn't try to give him more.

I offered him over $20m a year but his contract was capped

[Glenn Robinson]

Jul 7, 2017 19:53:04 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Jul 7, 2017 19:45:46 GMT Glenn Robinson said:

Great deal for Walt. Surprised teams with cap space didn't try to give him more.

I offered him over $20m a year but his contract was capped

Interesting it got capped. Thought for sure he'd receive max deals or close to it.

[Brian Scalabrine]

I don't have an issue with this signing at all, but can we eliminate this bs where you can promise a starting spot to a player when there's already a starter in place.

This trade contingency stuff is unfair to teams that actually cleared space, is very unrealistic and just helps the rich get richer.

[Ian Noble]

Walt Frazier isn't going to have enough cap space to re-sign Crowder now.

Capela was a BRs player. He's the first BRs player to be announced on a team that isn't already above the cap. The others (Harden, Beal, AD) were all fairly safe announcements because their teams had no other prospects, but the timing of this signing means Crowder is gone.

Was the timing of this signing discussed beforehand? BR players under these circumstances usually wait to allow others to sign. Whether or not the timing can be re-evaluated is up for discussion. If you guys just didn't discuss it then I can understand if Walt/Bryan want to postpone the signing.

[James Kay]

Jul 7, 2017 20:01:26 GMT Brian Scalabrine said:

I don't have an issue with this signing at all, but can we eliminate this bs where you can promise a starting spot to a player when there's already a starter in place.

This trade contingency stuff is unfair to teams that actually cleared space, is very unrealistic and just helps the rich get richer.

I think it depends on the situation, but it's actually super realistic lol.

Just look at the Celtics having to trade players after Hayward signs with them. literally happens all the time.


You should be able to make at least small promises contingent upon signing players, that's how FA works in real life

[Vlade Divac]

Nor can Minnesota make a play for Durant; I am no player agent but I feel like Durant would have taken his talents to the cold had Walt offered on him.

[Glenn Robinson]

Jul 7, 2017 20:08:18 GMT Ian Noble said:

Walt Frazier isn't going to have enough cap space to re-sign Crowder now.

Capela was a BRs player. He's the first BRs player to be announced on a team that isn't already above the cap. The others (Harden, Beal, AD) were all fairly safe announcements because their teams had no other prospects, but the timing of this signing means Crowder is gone.

Was the timing of this signing discussed beforehand? BR players under these circumstances usually wait to allow others to sign. Whether or not the timing can be re-evaluated is up for discussion. If you guys just didn't discuss it then I can understand if Walt/Bryan want to postpone the signing.

Usually that's the case, but isn't it too late? There was a player I had in mind to sign before Davis signed and it was too late by then. I was just happy to get my own guys back.

[James Kay]

Jul 7, 2017 20:39:30 GMT Glenn Robinson said:

Jul 7, 2017 20:08:18 GMT Ian Noble said:

Walt Frazier isn't going to have enough cap space to re-sign Crowder now.

Capela was a BRs player. He's the first BRs player to be announced on a team that isn't already above the cap. The others (Harden, Beal, AD) were all fairly safe announcements because their teams had no other prospects, but the timing of this signing means Crowder is gone.

Was the timing of this signing discussed beforehand? BR players under these circumstances usually wait to allow others to sign. Whether or not the timing can be re-evaluated is up for discussion. If you guys just didn't discuss it then I can understand if Walt/Bryan want to postpone the signing.

Usually that's the case, but isn't it too late? There was a player I had in mind to sign before Davis signed and it was too late by then. I was just happy to get my own guys back.

Ian Noble


I'm going to be very upset on Walt's behalf if this disqualifies him from Crowder....(same for Glenn, too. Beal and Davis's new contracts should not be finalized until Glenn wants them to be).

Honestly, all BR players just shouldn't count against the cap until the end of off-season.

In a message thread we had earlier in free agency, you indicated that PAs were instructed to wait to sign BRs players.

I think it would be so much easier just to have BRs contracts not count against the cap until the end.

[Alex English]

Jul 7, 2017 21:03:31 GMT James Kay said:

I think it would be so much easier just to have BRs contracts not count against the cap until the end.

Yea I think only the cap hold should count against a teams cap for BRs players that re-sign. This type of thing happens constantly in the NBA where teams time their signings to get the most out of their money. We can all assume every GM would decide to go with whichever order of their transactions that would benefit them the most.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Jul 7, 2017 20:01:26 GMT Brian Scalabrine said:

I don't have an issue with this signing at all, but can we eliminate this bs where you can promise a starting spot to a player when there's already a starter in place.

This trade contingency stuff is unfair to teams that actually cleared space, is very unrealistic and just helps the rich get richer.

Wrong sir. As stated above, that thing is happening in real life.. It is not also "unfair" because everyone can do it. Nobody had given any restriction to any team to do it  

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 7, 2017 20:08:18 GMT Ian Noble said:

Walt Frazier isn't going to have enough cap space to re-sign Crowder now.

Capela was a BRs player. He's the first BRs player to be announced on a team that isn't already above the cap. The others (Harden, Beal, AD) were all fairly safe announcements because their teams had no other prospects, but the timing of this signing means Crowder is gone.

Was the timing of this signing discussed beforehand? BR players under these circumstances usually wait to allow others to sign. Whether or not the timing can be re-evaluated is up for discussion. If you guys just didn't discuss it then I can understand if Walt/Bryan want to postpone the signing.

We did not discuss him announcing now. If I would have known I would have absolutely said to wait until I was able to use my cap space.

Actually I haven't heard from Bryan in at least a couple days, unless that's one of the PMs I have unread from the last 8 hours or so today.

[Walt Frazier]

I will be starting Clint even if I can't find a trade for Favors right away. I think he's the better fit next to Blake.

[Kevin Hollis]

I don't know how peoples or offer, but when I was below the cap, I Zoe officially asked player agents to give me time to sign other players first. If this wasn't asked by the team during the signing process - that's on the team imo. If you asked and it was disregarded, then I am with the team receiving more tiem

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 7, 2017 22:20:16 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

I don't know how peoples or offer, but when I was below the cap, I Zoe officially asked player agents to give me time to sign other players first. If this wasn't asked by the team during the signing process - that's on the team imo. If you asked and it was disregarded, then I am with the team receiving more tiem

To be honest, it slipped my mind to specifically ask for it. I think some of that is on the PA, but as a PA, I know I consider that, so I assume other PA's do as well. The player would 100% in every single case, no exceptions, want to allow the team he is returning to the opportunity to use their cap space to improve the team they are returning to. It's a no brainer.

FTR, I'm assuming Colangelo either forgot he was a BR guy or is too busy himself and it slipped by him. He only officially told me he was going to re-sign here minutes before he posted it, so I didn't get the chance to ask him to delay the posting until I used my cap space.

[Kevin Hollis]

All good from my perspective, you guys are all pretty busy. Quit your day jobs already. I hear America has a good welfare program.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Ian Noble

I thought we agreed we weren't capping contracts. Thats what the damn Max Contract rules are for. If Josh Wanted to give him 20 million them Walt should have had to beat that. If we're capping desls for no reason thats freaking stupid. 

[Jeremiah Hill]

STOP CAPPING CONTRACTS ITS UNREALISTIC.

[Jared Montini]

Jul 8, 2017 0:12:49 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

Ian Noble

I thought we agreed we weren't capping contracts. Thats what the damn Max Contract rules are for. If Josh Wanted to give him 20 million them Walt should have had to beat that. If we're capping desls for no reason thats freaking stupid. 

I agree, he would prob get around 20 mil irl

[Kevin Hollis]

Jul 8, 2017 0:12:49 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

Ian Noble

I thought we agreed we weren't capping contracts. Thats what the damn Max Contract rules are for. If Josh Wanted to give him 20 million them Walt should have had to beat that. If we're capping desls for no reason thats freaking stupid. 

Agree with this. Makes everything require more strategy and realism. Who is going to deny a max contract even if they don't deserve it? Say what Tim hardaway, of course not max, but yeah.

[Charles Barkley]

Ugh this whole thread is just no bueno

Capela shouldn't be capped, its dumb, its unrealistic, what Jeremiah and everyone else said. If GMs want to bid and spend big, then let them do that. Contracts weren't capped last off-season, why are they now capped?

If Walt "promised" Capela the starting role and "promised" to trade Favors to accomplish that, that's exactly what we talked about with the Bledsoe thing

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 8, 2017 3:09:56 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Ugh this whole thread is just no bueno

Capela shouldn't be capped, its dumb, its unrealistic, what Jeremiah and everyone else said. If GMs want to bid and spend big, then let them do that. Contracts weren't capped last off-season, why are they now capped?

If Walt "promised" Capela the starting role and "promised" to trade Favors to accomplish that, that's exactly what we talked about with the Bledsoe thing

I promised the starting spot regardless of Favors being here or not.

I did say, if Capela signs here, I'll look to trade Favors because I don't want to pay a backup as much as Favors makes. Just doesn't make sense from a team-building standpoint.

But, my promise was simply a starting spot for Capela because I like his fit next to Blake better than Favors. Not contingent on a trade, but it would result in a trade for team-building purposes.

[Charles Barkley]

Jul 8, 2017 3:33:26 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Jul 8, 2017 3:09:56 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Ugh this whole thread is just no bueno

Capela shouldn't be capped, its dumb, its unrealistic, what Jeremiah and everyone else said. If GMs want to bid and spend big, then let them do that. Contracts weren't capped last off-season, why are they now capped?

If Walt "promised" Capela the starting role and "promised" to trade Favors to accomplish that, that's exactly what we talked about with the Bledsoe thing

I promised the starting spot regardless of Favors being here or not.

I did say, if Capela signs here, I'll look to trade Favors because I don't want to pay a backup as much as Favors makes. Just doesn't make sense from a team-building standpoint.

But, my promise was simply a starting spot for Capela because I like his fit next to Blake better than Favors. Not contingent on a trade, but it would result in a trade for team-building purposes.

I get that, and figured that.

Still think you should have had to pay up though, you don't leave money on the table at 23, not a penny, and he likely left 25 million

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 8, 2017 3:58:40 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Jul 8, 2017 3:33:26 GMT Walt Frazier said:

I promised the starting spot regardless of Favors being here or not.

I did say, if Capela signs here, I'll look to trade Favors because I don't want to pay a backup as much as Favors makes. Just doesn't make sense from a team-building standpoint.

But, my promise was simply a starting spot for Capela because I like his fit next to Blake better than Favors. Not contingent on a trade, but it would result in a trade for team-building purposes.

I get that, and figured that.

Still think you should have had to pay up though, you don't leave money on the table at 23, not a penny, and he likely left 25 million

That's fine, believe what you believe. I matched a 22-million per season offer, and I told Colangelo I'd pretty much offer anything up to and including the max. I never asked him to cap it, I told him "I have the BR's on a future All-Star and I'm not letting him get away." One way or another I'm going to be capped out after this offseason. I think 15.5 million isn't crazy low, but I understand why some are wondering why it isn't 18 or 20 or maybe more.

Really I just want it to be clear that I'm dedicated to Clint, and I would have matched any contract to bring him back here.

[Charles Barkley]

Jul 8, 2017 4:04:55 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Jul 8, 2017 3:58:40 GMT Charles Barkley said:

I get that, and figured that.

Still think you should have had to pay up though, you don't leave money on the table at 23, not a penny, and he likely left 25 million

That's fine, believe what you believe. I matched a 22-million per season offer, and I told Colangelo I'd pretty much offer anything up to and including the max. I never asked him to cap it, I told him "I have the BR's on a future All-Star and I'm not letting him get away." One way or another I'm going to be capped out after this offseason. I think 15.5 million isn't crazy low, but I understand why some are wondering why it isn't 18 or 20 or maybe more.

Really I just want it to be clear that I'm dedicated to Clint, and I would have matched any contract to bring him back here.

What I believe is literally what you just said.

I'm not saying you wouldn't have matched or didn't offer it, or Bryan gave you a deal because its the Good Ole Boys Club, or anything like that. 

I'm saying that we implemented max contracts as THE CAP, so the point of capping a contract in negotiations is nonsensical.


I also wasn't trying to say that you did promise to trade Favors or that you wouldn't start Clint. I was saying that if you did it'd be against what we discussed 2 seasons ago. 


I'm not blaming you, and I'm not faulting Bryan for having him go to Minny, I'm just wondering why it was capped? Rich Paul doesn't walk into the Suns front office and tell them "I know you offered 22 a year for Bledsoe, but we will sign for 15 because that's about what every other guard makes of his current performance status" you know? 

[Jeremiah Hill]

Yeah, the capping thing is stupid. The only time someone should be capped is if we have like a brand new GM offering some bullshit contract to like Ramon Sessions or something like that, when it is capped they need to be educated about the value of various players in relation to D5 in response and then tell them the next time it won't be capped.

[Bryan Colangelo]

Jul 7, 2017 22:38:15 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Jul 7, 2017 22:20:16 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

I don't know how peoples or offer, but when I was below the cap, I Zoe officially asked player agents to give me time to sign other players first. If this wasn't asked by the team during the signing process - that's on the team imo. If you asked and it was disregarded, then I am with the team receiving more tiem

To be honest, it slipped my mind to specifically ask for it. I think some of that is on the PA, but as a PA, I know I consider that, so I assume other PA's do as well. The player would 100% in every single case, no exceptions, want to allow the team he is returning to the opportunity to use their cap space to improve the team they are returning to. It's a no brainer.

FTR, I'm assuming Colangelo either forgot he was a BR guy or is too busy himself and it slipped by him. He only officially told me he was going to re-sign here minutes before he posted it, so I didn't get the chance to ask him to delay the posting until I used my cap space.

Fuck he was on bird rights. I'm sorry Walt this shouldn't waited. I was just catching up with everything