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Post by Danny Longley on Jul 5, 2017 21:08:45 GMT
 Denver Nuggets - James HardenYear 1: $29,729,900 Year 2: $31,959,642 Year 3: $34,189,385 Year 4: $36,419,128 Year 5: $38,648,870 Total: $170,946,925 |
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Post by Alex English on Jul 5, 2017 21:27:23 GMT
Welcome back, friend.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 6, 2017 7:43:29 GMT
Honestly surprised he didn't get 10 mil per year cause no one else offered lol.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 6, 2017 9:27:01 GMT
Hoping to see some promises and plans of the team that signed him but we only got the contract. We need to see the explanation to build up the character of the GMs..
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Post by Danny Longley on Jul 6, 2017 11:11:40 GMT
Hoping to see some promises and plans of the team that signed him but we only got the contract. We need to see the explanation to build up the character of the GMs.. We didn't get any other offers almost two days into the process, Alex came in swinging with the max and it would've been a hard sell to leave anyway considering the talent assembled and the extra year. Also reaally not interested with dealing with this passive aggressive BS - yeah I should've probably just added an explanation straight up but ask properly instead of whining indirectly. This period is tiring enough. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 6, 2017 18:11:15 GMT
Hoping to see some promises and plans of the team that signed him but we only got the contract. We need to see the explanation to build up the character of the GMs.. I think the promise is clear "Contend for a title same as the last 3 years." |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 6, 2017 18:15:37 GMT
Hoping to see some promises and plans of the team that signed him but we only got the contract. We need to see the explanation to build up the character of the GMs.. I think the promise is clear "Contend for a title same as the last 3 years." In other words, you want to know why James Harden and Anthony Davis picked the Nuggets and Bucks and not, say, the Cavs? |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 6, 2017 22:36:10 GMT
I think the promise is clear "Contend for a title same as the last 3 years." In other words, you want to know why James Harden and Anthony Davis picked the Nuggets and Bucks and not, say, the Cavs? Not really.. I did not offer for any of them... Other than the "clear" promise that Jeremiah said, the winning team will surely promise/presented something on how they will get there.. Ex. MIL will maintain the big 3 of Gasol-Davis-Beal. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 6, 2017 23:21:13 GMT
In other words, you want to know why James Harden and Anthony Davis picked the Nuggets and Bucks and not, say, the Cavs? Not really.. I did not offer for any of them... Other than the "clear" promise that Jeremiah said, the winning team will surely promise/presented something on how they will get there.. Ex. MIL will maintain the big 3 of Gasol-Davis-Beal. So then why must there be a stated reason for guys like this if we all pretty much get it? I offered for Davis but I'm not wondering why he didn't sign with me; the chances were slim and it's good to see a big decision being made correctly. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 7, 2017 4:27:53 GMT
Not really.. I did not offer for any of them... Other than the "clear" promise that Jeremiah said, the winning team will surely promise/presented something on how they will get there.. Ex. MIL will maintain the big 3 of Gasol-Davis-Beal. So then why must there be a stated reason for guys like this if we all pretty much get it? I offered for Davis but I'm not wondering why he didn't sign with me; the chances were slim and it's good to see a big decision being made correctly. I am not wondering why he signed. I just believe that the public needs to know the big statements/promises that the signing team made. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 7, 2017 4:48:01 GMT
So then why must there be a stated reason for guys like this if we all pretty much get it? I offered for Davis but I'm not wondering why he didn't sign with me; the chances were slim and it's good to see a big decision being made correctly. I am not wondering why he signed. I just believe that the public needs to know the big statements/promises that the signing team made. This is actually could be an interesting wrinkle to free agency. If the promises/expectations are made public or at least kept recorded, then the next time that player is a free agent if the GM didn't accomplish or even attempt to pursue those promises they have little chance of resigning said player. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 7, 2017 4:50:36 GMT
I am not wondering why he signed. I just believe that the public needs to know the big statements/promises that the signing team made. This is actually could be an interesting wrinkle to free agency. If the promises/expectations are made public or at least kept recorded, then the next time that player is a free agent if the GM didn't accomplish or even attempt to pursue those promises they have little chance of resigning said player. Nah, I don't like that idea. They aren't made public IRL. The PA(s) will know whether or not the promises were kept. |
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 7, 2017 5:41:03 GMT
I am not wondering why he signed. I just believe that the public needs to know the big statements/promises that the signing team made. This is actually could be an interesting wrinkle to free agency. If the promises/expectations are made public or at least kept recorded, then the next time that player is a free agent if the GM didn't accomplish or even attempt to pursue those promises they have little chance of resigning said player. Lol, Ian Noble tried to make me cut or trade Omer Asik because "I promised to make him the starting center" when I really did not. I honestly do not remember all the details, but it was funny yet scary at the same time; Basically, we, as a league, do not need a Soviet-style central government keeping track of our FA promises. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 7, 2017 10:08:59 GMT
I am not wondering why he signed. I just believe that the public needs to know the big statements/promises that the signing team made. This is actually could be an interesting wrinkle to free agency. If the promises/expectations are made public or at least kept recorded, then the next time that player is a free agent if the GM didn't accomplish or even attempt to pursue those promises they have little chance of resigning said player. Yes! Thanks for explaining it for me. Danny L. actually showed the importance of that last year. And I applaud him for taking note and putting it into use. Just to take it deeper.. DEN had failed to win the crown even though they have a loaded line-up. And Harden signed a full max. (Just to be clear, I am not questioning the decision) So, Harden should have heard something in there that made him let go of those facts and signed a full max. What was it? I will understand if that is not important to you but if you look at real life, GMs had personalities too. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 7, 2017 12:17:08 GMT
This is actually could be an interesting wrinkle to free agency. If the promises/expectations are made public or at least kept recorded, then the next time that player is a free agent if the GM didn't accomplish or even attempt to pursue those promises they have little chance of resigning said player. Lol, Ian Noble tried to make me cut or trade Omer Asik because "I promised to make him the starting center" when I really did not. I honestly do not remember all the details, but it was funny yet scary at the same time; Basically, we, as a league, do not need a Soviet-style central government keeping track of our FA promises. I am welcome to suggestions comrade |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 13:00:00 GMT
I am welcome to suggestions comrade Post the meat of the pitch in the signing thread. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 7, 2017 13:20:09 GMT
I am welcome to suggestions comrade Post the meat of the pitch in the signing thread. But do you really need to know the meat of the pitch for a guy like Harden? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 13:20:40 GMT
Post the meat of the pitch in the signing thread. But do you really need to know the meat of the pitch for a guy like Harden? Yeah because if he is promised a championship and Alex doesn't deliver it's relevent. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 7, 2017 14:19:25 GMT
But do you really need to know the meat of the pitch for a guy like Harden? Yeah because if he is promised a championship and Alex doesn't deliver it's relevent. Everyone talks about championships when luring a free agent, is this considered a promise? Or are we proposing adding specifc promises like in 720, where I promise you'll be a starter, make the playoffs, and the finals, etc.? Because if we are going to say that Cleveland promises a championship to Harden because he says "you and KP can win championships" that's going to be hard for anyone to fulfill those, and then only a few teams can realistically make those promises. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 7, 2017 14:30:57 GMT
Yeah because if he is promised a championship and Alex doesn't deliver it's relevent. Everyone talks about championships when luring a free agent, is this considered a promise? Or are we proposing adding specifc promises like in 720, where I promise you'll be a starter, make the playoffs, and the finals, etc.? Because if we are going to say that Cleveland promises a championship to Harden because he says "you and KP can win championships" that's going to be hard for anyone to fulfill those, and then only a few teams can realistically make those promises. I prefer that system but the simple way of making it public should be a good thing already. It is not only about championship. For fringe starters, like Darren Collison, he may need to hear someone tell him that he will start. How about the star players who doesn't want to play a specific position? AD, Carmelo, Boogie and etc. We should at least hear something about that if the team that wins those players talked about it. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 7, 2017 15:20:47 GMT
Everyone talks about championships when luring a free agent, is this considered a promise? Or are we proposing adding specifc promises like in 720, where I promise you'll be a starter, make the playoffs, and the finals, etc.? Because if we are going to say that Cleveland promises a championship to Harden because he says "you and KP can win championships" that's going to be hard for anyone to fulfill those, and then only a few teams can realistically make those promises. I prefer that system but the simple way of making it public should be a good thing already. It is not only about championship. For fringe starters, like Darren Collison, he may need to hear someone tell him that he will start. How about the star players who doesn't want to play a specific position? AD, Carmelo, Boogie and etc. We should at least hear something about that if the team that wins those players talked about it. I'm not against the whole promise system idea, im just saying that only a few teams can realistically promise a championship and you're setting yourself up for failure if you promise that to get a guy and don't win one. How can the celtics promise that to PG right now? Which means they're out of it from the get-go. And then you have the PA side having to definitively decide if a championship is what the player ultimately desires even though they may have said nothing of the sort in RL. And what constitutes a promise really? Is me talking about winning rings a promise? Or is it me showing that opportunity and that chance? |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 7, 2017 16:08:17 GMT
I prefer that system but the simple way of making it public should be a good thing already. It is not only about championship. For fringe starters, like Darren Collison, he may need to hear someone tell him that he will start. How about the star players who doesn't want to play a specific position? AD, Carmelo, Boogie and etc. We should at least hear something about that if the team that wins those players talked about it. I'm not against the whole promise system idea, im just saying that only a few teams can realistically promise a championship and you're setting yourself up for failure if you promise that to get a guy and don't win one. How can the celtics promise that to PG right now? Which means they're out of it from the get-go. And then you have the PA side having to definitively decide if a championship is what the player ultimately desires even though they may have said nothing of the sort in RL. And what constitutes a promise really? Is me talking about winning rings a promise? Or is it me showing that opportunity and that chance? I always thought playing time and role promises were important. If you tell someone they'll start and then they ride the pine all year the player should leave. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 7, 2017 16:35:40 GMT
I'm not against the whole promise system idea, im just saying that only a few teams can realistically promise a championship and you're setting yourself up for failure if you promise that to get a guy and don't win one. How can the celtics promise that to PG right now? Which means they're out of it from the get-go. And then you have the PA side having to definitively decide if a championship is what the player ultimately desires even though they may have said nothing of the sort in RL. And what constitutes a promise really? Is me talking about winning rings a promise? Or is it me showing that opportunity and that chance? I always thought playing time and role promises were important. If you tell someone they'll start and then they ride the pine all year the player should leave. Yes, those are important. And the championship ones are too. But only one team wins a championship. It would be one thing if you promise a championship then miss the post-season, its another if you get bounced in the second round. So, what is the failed promise? I think it should be more along the lines of: I promise to try to win a championship and not blow it up, trade you, and tank. As long as we have defined parameters of things, I am for it. But I don't think having promises would have made Harden go to the Nets or something |
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