Nets - Kings

[Andrei Kirilenko]

^{Brooklyn Nets Send:}
75 Alex Len - $2,241,064 (note this includes BRs as Len was drafted in 2013)
MEM 2019 2nd


^{Sacramento Kings Send:}
75 Jordan Hill - $4,440,000 - $4,928,400 - $5,470,524
Rights to Bam Adebayo


Brooklyn has the cap room to take on the additional salary. Bam was a target of mine in the draft so we are excited to be taking a chance on him!

[Chauncey Billups]

I accept (as long as I get BRs)

I bring in a good, established role player in Alex Len, get rid of Jordan Hill's contract and get a future 2nd round pick.

[Jared Montini]

Great move by Josh! Bams been having a helluva summer league

[Ian Noble]

I think this is the kind of trade that worries me, including my own trade with the Kings. Alex Len has had many years to establish himself now and he's not a great prospect. At least Bam Adebayo has the potential to be that. How does it help a rebuild to ship Bam for Len?

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Jul 4, 2017 7:24:01 GMT Ian Noble said:

I think this is the kind of trade that worries me, including my own trade with the Kings. Alex Len has had many years to establish himself now and he's not a great prospect. At least Bam Adebayo has the potential to be that. How does it help a rebuild to ship Bam for Len?

It doesn't.

[Charles Barkley]

Jul 4, 2017 10:48:12 GMT @riogho said:

Jul 4, 2017 7:24:01 GMT Ian Noble said:

I think this is the kind of trade that worries me, including my own trade with the Kings. Alex Len has had many years to establish himself now and he's not a great prospect. At least Bam Adebayo has the potential to be that. How does it help a rebuild to ship Bam for Len?

It doesn't.

Have to agree. The type of player Len is is beginning to fade fast from the league. The GM has talked more about small ball lineups and this is the team that felt it necessary to have Tyson Chandler around taking minutes from Len.

They seem more likely to employ a Bender/Chriss- Jackson- Warren- Booker-Bledsoe lineup more than any other lineup.

And Bam is showing out in summer league, on a cheap contract

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Jul 4, 2017 0:54:56 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

I accept (as long as I get BRs)

I bring in a good, established role player in Alex Len, get rid of Jordan Hill's contract and get a future 2nd round pick.

Wrong sir. That Len guy is a prospect.

[Chauncey Billups]

This is the type of trade that worries people? It's gonna be very difficult to run a team if I feel like I have to defend every move I make.

[Jared Montini]

Jul 4, 2017 16:14:15 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

This is the type of trade that worries people? It's gonna be very difficult to run a team if I feel like I have to defend every move I make.

I thought the last move was good and there was no reason to reject it but this one just isn't good for you

[Ian Noble]

Jul 4, 2017 16:14:15 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

This is the type of trade that worries people? It's gonna be very difficult to run a team if I feel like I have to defend every move I make.

We're always really strict on new GMs.

[Vlade Divac]

Jul 4, 2017 16:14:15 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

This is the type of trade that worries people? It's gonna be very difficult to run a team if I feel like I have to defend every move I make.

Alright man, I am going to try this one more time. If you are too hardheaded to understand then I don't what to do with you. Cap space is a very very very dangerous thing in this league, and your team is the best example of this. While you might be able to sign another good player along with Lillard, most people think it is going to be an uphill battle to resign him.

Looking at it from Lillard's point of view, your team has gotten worse (IE: trading Jonathon Simmons, Bam Adebayo, and Jordan Hill for several picks and Alex Len.) Why would he stay with you when he go take his talents to Houston and play with the Greek Freak, to Charlotte to be united with his buddy Westbrook, to Cleveland to play with a Kristaps Porzingis and a young core that overachieved big time last year, to Memphis to play with KAT, Jokic, and a well run organization, or to the Pelicans to play with Wiggins and Hayward.

What do you really have to offer Lillard? Right now, you've given away good players for cap space. I do know you tried to go after Victor Oladipo, and that would have been a good move for you. I would suggest asking the TC to reject this trade and going after one of the guys on a rookie contract, like Len, to pair with Lillard but do not give up your rookie as he could turn out to be really good.

Free-agency is the biggest flaw in this league, but the player agents do not usually let players pair up with each other which contrasts with real life. If you read the rules, they favor a team that drafts well and plays it conservatively in free-agency. The Bulls got lucky a few years ago and signed Kawahi Leonard which made them an instant contender. On the other hand, free-agency killed a very talented Kings team.

You are delusional if you think you can single handily make free-agents come with effort and desire; most of the GMs in the league try insanely hard by writing essays that detail why a player should join their team. Some of the player agents have even admitted that it is a bit overwhelming.

Chauncey, I am going to be honest with you. Although you annoy the heck out of me, you remind me of Geno Smith (the QB drafted by the Jets who now plays for the Giants.) I loved his attitude and confidence which resembles the way you carry yourself, but he apparently was not coachable and is now a back-up. I do not doubt that you have some knowledge of the NBA, but the rules in this league are not exactly like real life. Again, cap space is a dangerous thing!

[Brian Scalabrine]

Please lend me some mind control serum Josh

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Jul 4, 2017 16:14:15 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

This is the type of trade that worries people? It's gonna be very difficult to run a team if I feel like I have to defend every move I make.

It worries me and everyone else that you'd give up a 1st rounder for a bust for no reason.

[Chauncey Billups]

Jul 4, 2017 21:42:43 GMT @riogho said:

Jul 4, 2017 16:14:15 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

This is the type of trade that worries people? It's gonna be very difficult to run a team if I feel like I have to defend every move I make.

It worries me and everyone else that you'd give up a 1st rounder for a bust for no reason.

You have some screws loose in your head, buddy. 

[Deleted]

Jul 4, 2017 21:52:59 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

Jul 4, 2017 21:42:43 GMT @riogho said:

It worries me and everyone else that you'd give up a 1st rounder for a bust for no reason.

You have some screws loose in your head, buddy. 

You say this while you trade Adebayo for Alex Len. Maybe you need to rethink how much you think you know.

[James Kay]

... can we get some rejects and move on from this lol

the 13th pick is worth way way more than Alex Len and the Kings are not in any position to be desperately off loading first rounders for cap space either

[Chauncey Billups]

I'm not gonna get into it with anybody, but I disagree with you all. And honestly Billy, you seem to have am opinion for everything, but that doesn't mean you have to express it. Nobody wants to hear that shit all the time. Believe me.

Also, just so everybody knows, I'm not new at this. Not even close. Been doing fantasy basketball for as long as I remember, and did my first GM league back in 2005 FYI.

[Vlade Divac]

Jul 4, 2017 23:18:58 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

I'm not gonna get into it with anybody, but I disagree with you all. And honestly Billy, you seem to have am opinion for everything, but that doesn't mean you have to express it. Nobody wants to hear that shit all the time. Believe me.

Also, just so everybody knows, I'm not new at this. Not even close. Been doing fantasy basketball for as long as I remember, and did my first GM league back in 2005 FYI.

This is so much different than fantasy football, but you know what I am not going to argue with you, either. Instead, I am going to post pictures of Geno Smith getting sacked every time you refuse to listen.

PS. A little piece of side trivia, the D5 Kings have this weird link with the New York Jets due to Chauncey acting like Geno Smith in conjunction with the fact that my original GM name was Rex Ryan. It is funny how the world works!

[Chauncey Billups]

Jul 4, 2017 23:27:13 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Jul 4, 2017 23:18:58 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

I'm not gonna get into it with anybody, but I disagree with you all. And honestly Billy, you seem to have am opinion for everything, but that doesn't mean you have to express it. Nobody wants to hear that shit all the time. Believe me.

Also, just so everybody knows, I'm not new at this. Not even close. Been doing fantasy basketball for as long as I remember, and did my first GM league back in 2005 FYI.

This is so much different than fantasy football, but you know what I am not going to argue with you, either. Instead, I am going to post pictures of Geno Smith getting sacked every time you refuse to listen.

PS. A little piece of side trivia, the D5 Kings have this weird link with the New York Jets due to Chauncey acting like Geno Smith in conjunction with the fact that my original GM name was Rex Ryan. It is funny how the world works!

 Surprise! The other stooge has chimed in

Listen to who? You? Lmao

[Vlade Divac]

Jul 4, 2017 23:29:30 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

Jul 4, 2017 23:27:13 GMT Vlade Divac said:

This is so much different than fantasy football, but you know what I am not going to argue with you, either. Instead, I am going to post pictures of Geno Smith getting sacked every time you refuse to listen.

PS. A little piece of side trivia, the D5 Kings have this weird link with the New York Jets due to Chauncey acting like Geno Smith in conjunction with the fact that my original GM name was Rex Ryan. It is funny how the world works!

 Surprise! The other stooge has chimed in

Listen to who? You? Lmao

[Deleted]

Jul 4, 2017 23:18:58 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

And honestly Billy, you seem to have am opinion for everything, but that doesn't mean you have to express it. Nobody wants to hear that shit all the time. Believe me.

It's never stopped me before, and your dumb ass isn't gonna stop me now.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Jul 4, 2017 0:53:06 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

^{Brooklyn Nets Send:}
75 Alex Len - $2,241,064 (note this includes BRs as Len was drafted in 2013)
MEM 2019 2nd


^{Sacramento Kings Send:}
75 Jordan Hill - $4,440,000 - $4,928,400 - $5,470,524
Rights to Bam Adebayo


Brooklyn has the cap room to take on the additional salary. Bam was a target of mine in the draft so we are excited to be taking a chance on him!

Lol, Bam Adebayo is pretty good. Thats a prospect you want on your team. Len had the opportunity to prove that centers weren't dead in the NBA for the past 3 years. We had to wait for Towns, Embiid and Porzingis to prove they weren't. He's just not good.

People say the center position is dead, I just think their haven't been any good centers to come down the pipe since Dwight Howard until the aforementioned few. If Len was as good as Dwight or any of those guys people would be blowing him, but the problem is a meh center isn't needed anymore outside of 15 minutes a game.

Len has let me down. I've been following him, tried to trade for him a few times as well. But at this point, with the injuries he's had, I would flat out not trade anyone other than Ajinca from my team for Len.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Jul 4, 2017 16:14:15 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

This is the type of trade that worries people? It's gonna be very difficult to run a team if I feel like I have to defend every move I make.

We've watched tons of GMs come in, give up all their assets for trash and then leave. Thats why. It's very difficult to watch you trade away a guy who actually would fit well with Lillard in the future for someone who's been riddled with injuries and not even at half his potential he had coming into the league.

Unlike apparently half the GMs in this league don't see how Lillard leaves your team after his real life comments and similar team situation in real life. Keep building, don't give up potentially great prospects for a prospect who's found his role as a dude who gets 10 minutes a game for an OK team.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

People will always defend their turf.

Just put your decisions guys and move on..

[Ian Noble]

I reject

[Ian Noble]

Alex English
Bryan Colangelo
Danny Longley
Walt Frazier

[Bryan Colangelo]

I accept, I personally like Alex Len.

[Alex English]

I'll accept this. I don't see too much of an issue here. This past season Len averaged 8 and 7 in 20 mpg, that's 14 and 12 per 36, and he was 23 years old. This dude has plenty of time to meet some of the potential he was projected to have as the 5th overall pick.

How good is Bam Adebayo really? He's never played a game in the NBA and the reality of mid-first round pick is that most turn out to be good role players at best. I don't see how we can reject on the hypothetical that maybe Bam is going to be a star. There is no strong reason to believe that will be the case at this point in time. I'm not going to buy into the draft day hype here. Draft picks and untested rookies get traded at way above market value constantly, I think this deal is actually pretty close to the real value of these guys, so I guess by comparison it looks unfair.

[Danny Longley]

I'm going to accept as well. As Alex said, Bam ultimately is a mid-1st pick that's never played a game at this point - I don't think it's our place to project past that right now.

[Ian Noble]

I think this was a big mistake for Sacramento.

Trade passed.