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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 30, 2017 14:29:28 GMT
Cleveland Trade:
CLE 2020 1st
Phoenix Trade:
#24
#57
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 30, 2017 14:29:49 GMT
Gonna get two more... accept.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 30, 2017 14:32:51 GMT
Why is Phoenix doing this? They need picks right?
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 30, 2017 14:36:20 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 30, 2017 14:42:45 GMT
Ok I accept
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 30, 2017 14:43:55 GMT
Why is Phoenix doing this? They need picks right? look how many picks I have in this draft. All I wanted was Ferguson in round 1 and I have pick 33 in round 2 so I can get another guy I like. I'm gonna take the gamble that Hana doesn't end up building a good team and pray that picks ends up worth more than 24 It would need to end up way better than 24 to receive the value your missing out on in the 3 years that passes. You take a guy at 24, you know in 2-3 if he is good or not. Instead, you now wait 3 years, then another 2-3 to see what the pick is actually worth. With KP and Cleveland being in the East, it doesn't appear it will be a lotto; Dirk carried the Mavs for a very very long time when they weren't as good as other teams roster wise, KP has done the same. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 30, 2017 14:49:09 GMT
KP can suddenly suffer a PG injury... The guy is a pogo stick..
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CLE-PHX
Jun 30, 2017 14:52:11 GMT
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Post by Jared Montini on Jun 30, 2017 14:52:11 GMT
If that pick ends up 19 I'll be happy. I won't hav enough roster space to sign all my guys this year. I'll just be patient and wait for the future
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 30, 2017 15:07:16 GMT
look how many picks I have in this draft. All I wanted was Ferguson in round 1 and I have pick 33 in round 2 so I can get another guy I like. I'm gonna take the gamble that Hana doesn't end up building a good team and pray that picks ends up worth more than 24 It would need to end up way better than 24 to receive the value your missing out on in the 3 years that passes. You take a guy at 24, you know in 2-3 if he is good or not. Instead, you now wait 3 years, then another 2-3 to see what the pick is actually worth. With KP and Cleveland being in the East, it doesn't appear it will be a lotto; Dirk carried the Mavs for a very very long time when they weren't as good as other teams roster wise, KP has done the same. Then again,, that could be another gms problem by then. |
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Vlade Divac
Former Kings GM
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Oct 20, 2024 15:22:14 GMT
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jun 30, 2017 15:22:15 GMT
look how many picks I have in this draft. All I wanted was Ferguson in round 1 and I have pick 33 in round 2 so I can get another guy I like. I'm gonna take the gamble that Hana doesn't end up building a good team and pray that picks ends up worth more than 24 It would need to end up way better than 24 to receive the value your missing out on in the 3 years that passes. You take a guy at 24, you know in 2-3 if he is good or not. Instead, you now wait 3 years, then another 2-3 to see what the pick is actually worth. With KP and Cleveland being in the East, it doesn't appear it will be a lotto; Dirk carried the Mavs for a very very long time when they weren't as good as other teams roster wise, KP has done the same. I really disagree with this logic as we have NO IDEA what any team will look like in three years, but we do know who can be picked with the 24th pick this year. I will go out on a limb and say that is is more likely than not that CLE's 2020 1st will produce a better player than this pick; Even if it does not, however, the ambiguity surrounding it makes it more valuable. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 30, 2017 15:26:08 GMT
It would need to end up way better than 24 to receive the value your missing out on in the 3 years that passes. You take a guy at 24, you know in 2-3 if he is good or not. Instead, you now wait 3 years, then another 2-3 to see what the pick is actually worth. With KP and Cleveland being in the East, it doesn't appear it will be a lotto; Dirk carried the Mavs for a very very long time when they weren't as good as other teams roster wise, KP has done the same. I really disagree with this logic as we have NO IDEA what any team will look like in three years, but we do know who can be picked with the 24th pick this year. I will go out on a limb and say that is is more likely than not that CLE's 2020 1st will produce a better player than this pick; Even if it does not, however, the ambiguity surrounding it makes it more valuable. Im looking at it from an economic standpoint. You get your return sooner and know what it is. In the 2020 case, its 6 years down the road before it matures. You lose 6 years of productivity from a draft pick, regardless of who it is, it still helps. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 30, 2017 15:26:23 GMT
It would need to end up way better than 24 to receive the value your missing out on in the 3 years that passes. You take a guy at 24, you know in 2-3 if he is good or not. Instead, you now wait 3 years, then another 2-3 to see what the pick is actually worth. With KP and Cleveland being in the East, it doesn't appear it will be a lotto; Dirk carried the Mavs for a very very long time when they weren't as good as other teams roster wise, KP has done the same. Then again,, that could be another gms problem by then. It likley will be in both cases |
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CLE-PHX
Jun 30, 2017 15:27:05 GMT
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Post by Jared Montini on Jun 30, 2017 15:27:05 GMT
Then again,, that could be another gms problem by then. It likley will be in both cases nope I'm here for the long haul  |
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Vlade Divac
Former Kings GM
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Oct 20, 2024 15:22:14 GMT
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jun 30, 2017 15:36:25 GMT
Im looking at it from an economic standpoint. You get your return sooner and know what it is. In the 2020 case, its 6 years down the road before it matures. You lose 6 years of productivity from a draft pick, regardless of who it is, it still helps. I understand that, but I think the problem with that approach is their is an unequal distribution of impact an NBA player has on a team. For instance, would you rather wait three years for LeBron James in 2020 or draft Timothe Luwawu, the 24th overall pick last year, now and get his production for three years? Luwawu is actually having a pretty good year statistically for the 24th overall pick, but everyone would take LeBron. Obviously, you will probably contend that the CLE pick will not turn into LeBron, but, in my opinion, building a real NBA team is about acquiring as many pick as possible to give yourself the best possible chance to draft a LeBron, Durant, Kobe, Shaq, or Jordan. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 30, 2017 15:51:02 GMT
Im looking at it from an economic standpoint. You get your return sooner and know what it is. In the 2020 case, its 6 years down the road before it matures. You lose 6 years of productivity from a draft pick, regardless of who it is, it still helps. I understand that, but I think the problem with that approach is their is an unequal distribution of impact an NBA player has on a team. For instance, would you rather wait three years for LeBron James in 2020 or draft Timothe Luwawu, the 24th overall pick last year, now and get his production for three years? Luwawu is actually having a pretty good year statistically for the 24th overall pick, but everyone would take LeBron. Obviously, you will probably contend that the CLE pick will not turn into LeBron, but, in my opinion, building a real NBA team is about acquiring as many pick as possible to give yourself the best possible chance to draft a LeBron, Durant, Kobe, Shaq, or Jordan.Hoax. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 30, 2017 16:46:21 GMT
Trading future firsts is a poor decision.
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jun 30, 2017 16:52:08 GMT
accept
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CLE-PHX
Jun 30, 2017 18:48:28 GMT
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 30, 2017 18:48:28 GMT
While I agree PHX likely loses value due to the distance of the pick, there isn't enough here for me to reject.
So, accept.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 30, 2017 19:49:54 GMT
Trade passed.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 9, 2017 6:55:52 GMT
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jul 9, 2017 15:34:39 GMT
Huh? I traded your 1st rounder last year for Andrew Wiggins haha |
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