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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 21, 2017 22:23:29 GMT
I've never really liked Lebron, so maybe I'm just daydreaming or something, but I think he's a huge part of the Cavs problem. I think he's a egotistical borderline narcissist that wants too much control over the Cavs organization. Every few weeks it seems like Lebron is complaining to the media about how the Cavs aren't good enough, or he's concerned about their lack of moves, or they badly need another PG, or something else. It's like he's already trying to shift the blame to the coach, GM and his teammates before they've even failed to succeed. I could see how playing with him probably isn't that fun unless you're okay with giving him all the credit and spotlight 100% of the time. The dude literally has "Chosen 1" tattooed across his back. Like come on, you're a douche. I always enjoy cheering against Lebron. He'll probably leave the Cavs next summer too. The bolded part, he wasn't wrong. And if he said it about this offseason he was even more correct.
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Post by Alex English on Jul 21, 2017 22:59:10 GMT
The bolded part, he wasn't wrong. And if he said it about this offseason he was even more correct. Not really. It's kind of ridiculous to go through the entire season where you're the defending champ and saying you're not good enough. For fans of other teams, or at least me, it comes across as whiny. What the hell does Lebron want? To play with the entire Eastern Conference All-Star lineup when the Cavs face the Warriors in the finals? The dude is a top 5 player of all-time right? Well then go be one. Pretty much every other team in the NBA will say they're trying to be the best and will do all they can to take down Golden State. Then Lebron friggin James and Cavs bitch to the media about how they need more help. This past season there were two legit contenders, and the Cavs were one of them. They destroyed the east and dominated for the entire playoffs until the reached the finals. Again, what more does this guy want? Should the other 29 teams stop competing so Lebron can win the championship every year? I hope he never wins another title and I can't wait for the day he leaves Cleveland and all the Cavs fans suddenly remember how they hated his guts and burned his jersey when he left 7 years ago.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 22, 2017 0:15:29 GMT
While I liked LeBron and still like him to an extent, I think Alex has a point. I would personally say it like this; LeBron is the greatest player in NBA History, yet also the worst GM in NBA History.
LeBron could never get big name free agent, with the exception of washed up Larry Hughes, Ben Wallace, Wally S., and Shaq, to Cleveland prior to the Decision, acquired/chose to play with Wade and Bosh in Miami when neither one played the way they did before LeBron left Cleveland (for whatever reason), and again choose to trade Kevin Love for Wiggins which is honestly the worst move in NBA History.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 0:30:57 GMT
LeBron is the worst GM in NBA History Ahem.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 22, 2017 2:30:45 GMT
The bolded part, he wasn't wrong. And if he said it about this offseason he was even more correct. Not really. It's kind of ridiculous to go through the entire season where you're the defending champ and saying you're not good enough. For fans of other teams, or at least me, it comes across as whiny. What the hell does Lebron want? To play with the entire Eastern Conference All-Star lineup when the Cavs face the Warriors in the finals? The dude is a top 5 player of all-time right? Well then go be one. Pretty much every other team in the NBA will say they're trying to be the best and will do all they can to take down Golden State. Then Lebron friggin James and Cavs bitch to the media about how they need more help. This past season there were two legit contenders, and the Cavs were one of them. They destroyed the east and dominated for the entire playoffs until the reached the finals. Again, what more does this guy want? Should the other 29 teams stop competing so Lebron can win the championship every year? I hope he never wins another title and I can't wait for the day he leaves Cleveland and all the Cavs fans suddenly remember how they hated his guts and burned his jersey when he left 7 years ago. I would agree with you but if the team which had beat you the year before and you had to have a miraculous record breaking run to actually win the finals, the team that has 4 all star level players on it, added a fucking MVP candidate. What did we do with that new knowledge? Let Delly walk (for what now looks like a decent contract for a quality backup) and sign a bunch of old past their prime guys to the bench. I know this happens to some extent but jeez, not even trying to find some upside younger guys?. Then you dropped Kyrie's favorite teammate (others reportedly loved him too) in order to sign Deron William's dead body. We had the talent to run a train on the East and we could have made more of an effort to get younger, more athletic guys involved so they could actually be called upon, screw those guys we're going for title, in the end it didn't matter because they didn't have the best record in the conference. They could have played those younger guys more, dropped a few games oh well. He said we aren't good enough, he was right. Looking at his stat lines it clearly wasn't for lack of trying. The shots Kyrie took in last year's finals didn't go in, Thompson wasn't able to affect the game with rebounding as well due to Zaza. Golden State reloaded in a big way, they got lucky as heck due to the Curry contract situation but I mean damn, if you have designs on a repeat the Cavs front office didn't really show it in my opinion. Bitching about it publicly? Yeah, probably wouldn't do that if I were him. But hey, people are who they are and for all the shit LBJ gets he's probably one of the most respectable sports figures that there is. No stupid scandals and all that crap and is actually a decent role model. I'm not gonna burn my jersey because he did what he said he was gonna do. I'm not even sure if he's gonna leave again. I'm not sure if anyone would really blame him this time around given all this drama.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 22, 2017 10:25:45 GMT
Lebron is intelligent enough to know that a Lebron-fully-controlled squad will have a chance against GSW. I am not saying that it is a sure thing but Lebron should be thinking that it is much better to change something than to have their 4th match with the same characters involve.
I have this belief that a Love-Lebron duo and guys who knows how to move on offense and defend pretty hard will still be a mouthful. They are not as shiny as having Kyrie but the x-and-os will be more lethal.
Basically, I am just dreaming again of the 2015 NBA Finals Lebron. But the difference will be the presence of Love and maybe better fit players around him.
Maybe Lebron knows much better. And that is the reason why he is not even pressuring the Cavs to make moves even though he is entering the "could be" final year of his PRIME! Lebron hates losing. He is looking at his legacy.. and yet he doesn't want to care about the Kyrie trade demand?
That will only make sense if he is confident enough of running with a team without Kyrie...
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 22, 2017 16:58:52 GMT
I have this belief that a Love-Lebron duo and guys who knows how to move on offense and defend pretty hard will still be a mouthful. They are not as shiny as having Kyrie but the x-and-os will be more lethal.
While I doubt they trade Kyrie anyways, I will believe the scenario you described when I see it!
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 22, 2017 17:09:23 GMT
Not really. It's kind of ridiculous to go through the entire season where you're the defending champ and saying you're not good enough. For fans of other teams, or at least me, it comes across as whiny. What the hell does Lebron want? To play with the entire Eastern Conference All-Star lineup when the Cavs face the Warriors in the finals? The dude is a top 5 player of all-time right? Well then go be one. Pretty much every other team in the NBA will say they're trying to be the best and will do all they can to take down Golden State. Then Lebron friggin James and Cavs bitch to the media about how they need more help. This past season there were two legit contenders, and the Cavs were one of them. They destroyed the east and dominated for the entire playoffs until the reached the finals. Again, what more does this guy want? Should the other 29 teams stop competing so Lebron can win the championship every year? I hope he never wins another title and I can't wait for the day he leaves Cleveland and all the Cavs fans suddenly remember how they hated his guts and burned his jersey when he left 7 years ago. I would agree with you but if the team which had beat you the year before and you had to have a miraculous record breaking run to actually win the finals, the team that has 4 all star level players on it, added a fucking MVP candidate. What did we do with that new knowledge? Let Delly walk (for what now looks like a decent contract for a quality backup) and sign a bunch of old past their prime guys to the bench. I know this happens to some extent but jeez, not even trying to find some upside younger guys?. Then you dropped Kyrie's favorite teammate (others reportedly loved him too) in order to sign Deron William's dead body. We had the talent to run a train on the East and we could have made more of an effort to get younger, more athletic guys involved so they could actually be called upon, screw those guys we're going for title, in the end it didn't matter because they didn't have the best record in the conference. They could have played those younger guys more, dropped a few games oh well. He said we aren't good enough, he was right. Looking at his stat lines it clearly wasn't for lack of trying. The shots Kyrie took in last year's finals didn't go in, Thompson wasn't able to affect the game with rebounding as well due to Zaza. Golden State reloaded in a big way, they got lucky as heck due to the Curry contract situation but I mean damn, if you have designs on a repeat the Cavs front office didn't really show it in my opinion. Bitching about it publicly? Yeah, probably wouldn't do that if I were him. But hey, people are who they are and for all the shit LBJ gets he's probably one of the most respectable sports figures that there is. No stupid scandals and all that crap and is actually a decent role model. I'm not gonna burn my jersey because he did what he said he was gonna do. I'm not even sure if he's gonna leave again. I'm not sure if anyone would really blame him this time around given all this drama.
I agree with your premise, but some of the blame you are putting on the GM should be on Lue. It became apparent to me that Delly would leave Cleveland after they won the title because Lue refused to play him much if any during that finals series against the Warriors. This was a critical error because Delly does a great job on Curry! Lue also kicked Mozgov out and, in reality, does not want to play Tristan Thompson anymore than he has to. Why is Lue doing this? He's totally bought into the "New NBA" shooting 3s type ideology. Personally, I think it is a mistake as NOBODY in NBA History can out shoot Golden State from deep. Maybe Mozgov cannot play meaningful minutes, but the team does not even carry a "true center" on their roster anymore when they still service a purpose. I think Dwayne Casey deserves a lot of blame for not feeding Jonas Valanciunas the ball during the 2nd round against Cleveland. How could Cleveland stop him? He was about four to five feet taller and at least thirty pounds heavier than everyone on the Cavs' roster. I think the most egregious of these decisions, however, is not playing Tristan Thompson during the finals. Cleveland probably cannot beat Golden State anyways, but one of their big advantages is Thompson is a better big man than Draymond Green. Cleveland will lose every time if they try to play LeBron, Kyrie, JR, Love, and Shumpert/Jefferson/Korver/whoever against KD, Curry, Klay, Draymond, and Iggy/Livingston/whoever if hot that day. I think part of it has to do with the fact that Lue believes Love has to be on the floor and the only person he can even kind of guard when they go small is Draymond Green. Everyone knows I hate Love, but the Cavs HAVE to have Tristan to set that physical tone, and he is a great offensive rebounder especially against smaller guys, while Love offers similar skills as JR/Shumpert/Korver. While I never really thought Zaza affected Thompson, you, Jeremiah, could be right about that. Again, that would go into not having a real center on the roster as Zaza is much bigger than Thompson.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 23, 2017 6:58:35 GMT
Just read an extremely misleading headline that said there was a blockbuster trade between the Knicks, Cavs and Suns. Ridiculous clickbait. I hate that. Journalist must be a Knicks fan because it would mean getting rid of Carmelo and bringing in Irving and Tyson Chandler lol.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 31, 2017 1:02:17 GMT
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 31, 2017 1:05:45 GMT
Weak sauce
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Post by Ian Noble on Aug 8, 2017 18:49:21 GMT
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Aug 8, 2017 20:45:12 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 23, 2017 18:54:11 GMT
Kanter to the Knicks! And some other guy to OKC!
I hope Enes finally gets to start.
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Post by Alex English on Sept 23, 2017 19:23:08 GMT
Kanter to the Knicks! And some other guy to OKC! I hope Enes finally gets to start. I hope Willy Hernangomez gets to start over Kanter Either way, Porzingis and Kanter could be a really deadly offensive combo. Kanter down low, and Porzingis up high. They should fit well together.
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 23, 2017 21:24:55 GMT
This year's off season has been legendary
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 24, 2017 9:55:24 GMT
Got something stuck in my eye...
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 25, 2017 8:06:29 GMT
GOAT off season continues
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Sept 25, 2017 13:27:30 GMT
Cleveland or Miami I would assume.
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Post by James Kay on Sept 26, 2017 21:07:09 GMT
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Sept 27, 2017 1:14:47 GMT
James Kay I believe it, it'll be on 38-39% FG and 32% 3PT percentage though. Probably 3-4 turnovers a game as well. Personally I think Randle is more likely to break out this year than Ingram. But who knows, Lonzo turned a bunch of scrubs into really good players maybe Ingram can look good with a decent pass first point guard instead of the Clarkson, Nick Young, Russell gunslinging crew he had last season.
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 27, 2017 9:05:31 GMT
i miss ingram It all sounds promising that's for sure, but we'll see if it materialises. Pretty sure Magic said the same stuff about D'Angelo Russell.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Sept 27, 2017 23:59:11 GMT
i miss ingram It all sounds promising that's for sure, but we'll see if it materialises. Pretty sure Magic said the same stuff about D'Angelo Russell. I hate how he puts that pressure on the young players like he himself didn't end up on a team full of superstars right from the rip.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Sept 29, 2017 19:48:18 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 29, 2017 21:15:17 GMT
Wow he got paid a huge amount, fair enough I guess
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Sept 29, 2017 23:55:03 GMT
Wow he got paid a huge amount, fair enough I guess Means George has the knowledge that Russell will be there. Might make resigning him easier or harder.
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