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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 1, 2017 3:12:29 GMT
Indiana isn't gonna trade for Love or another good player. Thats gonna kill thier draft pick. Everyone is gonna tabk to see who gets Doncic and thats what they're doing. I'd suggest everyone here do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 12:43:18 GMT
Indiana isn't gonna trade for Love or another good player. Thats gonna kill thier draft pick. Everyone is gonna tabk to see who gets Doncic and thats what they're doing. I'd suggest everyone here do the same. I think Doncic is one of the closest things to a "cant-miss" prospect that I've seen in awhile. I don't think it's super likely he turns into a superstar though.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 2, 2017 6:35:32 GMT
Indiana isn't gonna trade for Love or another good player. Thats gonna kill thier draft pick. Everyone is gonna tabk to see who gets Doncic and thats what they're doing. I'd suggest everyone here do the same. I think Doncic is one of the closest things to a "cant-miss" prospect that I've seen in awhile. I don't think it's super likely he turns into a superstar though. He's a KAT level prospect.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 2, 2017 9:37:21 GMT
Given the return each team got on their stars, is it unreasonable to think the Celtics could have ended up with Boogie, George, Butler, Hayward, and IT?
No.
Boogie was traded for a first and a prospect, a mid-level one at that. BOS first and a guy like Brown could have easily landed DMC.
Butler was moved for pick swap and two young guys. Celtics swap 3 with 16, offer Crowder/Bradley/Smart, and I think it works.
George fetched a bag of poop, the left overs of the Butler trade and the Lakers pick nets them George.
They would still have the Nets 2018 after this as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 11:44:03 GMT
I think Doncic is one of the closest things to a "cant-miss" prospect that I've seen in awhile. I don't think it's super likely he turns into a superstar though. He's a KAT level prospect. Unless he goes to the Jabari Parker camp of secret super late blooming athleticism, no he isn't.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 4, 2017 19:39:53 GMT
Hayward to Boston!those reports were shot down, actually
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 4, 2017 23:58:35 GMT
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 5, 2017 0:00:24 GMT
Let's fucking go! Gordon Hayward 🍀
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 8, 2017 20:47:02 GMT
Melo looking like going to Houston?
Daryl Morey should win Executive of the Decade, but something makes me think the addition of CP3 and Melo wont make a huge difference... It just seems like it's good on paper but not great for the W/L column.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 8, 2017 20:54:09 GMT
Melo looking like going to Houston? Daryl Morey should win Executive of the Decade, but something makes me think the addition of CP3 and Melo wont make a huge difference... It just seems like it's good on paper but not great for the W/L column. I think the short answer is both CP3 and Melo are overrated.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 8, 2017 20:55:43 GMT
Melo looking like going to Houston? Daryl Morey should win Executive of the Decade, but something makes me think the addition of CP3 and Melo wont make a huge difference... It just seems like it's good on paper but not great for the W/L column. I think Melo is very overrated. He just doesn't have that fire in him to win. I am excited to see CP3 and Harden though
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 8, 2017 21:00:47 GMT
Tim Hardaway Jr. officially a Knick as the Hawks do not match the offer sheet the Knicks gave him.
I'm a "Knicks fan" but good lord, I may be done with them. Porzingis is the only reason I remain moderately interested. The 76ers have all but stolen my fanhood. Living near Philly helps, but I like how they have gone about their business so far. The Process is truth.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 8, 2017 21:14:48 GMT
DSJ throwing it down during warm-ups
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 8, 2017 21:20:14 GMT
wow
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Post by Spike Lee on Jul 8, 2017 23:40:06 GMT
DSJ throwing it down during warm-ups BRB, gotta run to pants store
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 9, 2017 0:26:53 GMT
Tim Hardaway Jr. officially a Knick as the Hawks do not match the offer sheet the Knicks gave him. I'm a "Knicks fan" but good lord, I may be done with them. Porzingis is the only reason I remain moderately interested. The 76ers have all but stolen my fanhood. Living near Philly helps, but I like how they have gone about their business so far. The Process is truth. Don't lose hope. Kristaps will finally be the man there. Watch them reach the playoffs against all odds, ala-Cleveland D5 style.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 9, 2017 1:43:52 GMT
He's a KAT level prospect. Unless he goes to the Jabari Parker camp of secret super late blooming athleticism, no he isn't. He's got similar athletic profile to KAT. Good not great as being the only flaw in his profile. Skilled players are more likely to succeed in the NBA than mega athlete/size players. For example: Best point guards per some random CSN site: 1) Steph Curry + 2) Russell Westbrook * 3) Chris Paul + - 4) Kyrie Irving + 5) John Wall * 6) Damian Lillard + 7) Kyle Lowry + - 8) Isaiah Thomas + - 9) Mike Conley + 10) Kemba Walker + - Key: * = Player known for athleticism, + = Player known for skill play, - = Player with flaws in frame or physical profile Lets do it for Doncics projected position of Shooting Guard per random Bleacher Report article. 1) Giannis Antetekoumpo * + 2) Bradley Beal + - 3) DeMar DeRozen * 4) CJ McCollum + - 5) Klay Thompson + 6) Kentavious Caldwell Pope (no idea) 7) Pat Beverley + - 8) Jrue Holiday + - 9) Dwayne Wade * (not anymore really) 10) Nicolas Batum + First off, Bleacher Report has no idea what the hell a shooting guard is but they did do these postion based on % of position played this season. Once again we see that players known for superior skills dominate the list. Harden is missing because I chose a different site than previously used but he's probably #1 or 2 depending on who you pick between Harden and Giannis and is also a skills player. Luka is 6'8" he'll probably play SG/SF a bit more 1) LeBron James * + 2) Khawi Leonard * + 3) Jimmy Butler * 4) Paul George * 5) Gordon Hayward + 6) Otto Porter + 7) Jae Crowder * 8) Trever Ariza + 9) Rudy Gay + 10) Carmelo Anthony + Now we can argue about the rankings of each position all day. BUT, most of us have some combo of these players in their top ten at each of these positions. We see at the Small Forward position that Durant is missing as he played PF in a lot of Warriors lineups but he's a SF on most teams, he's also a skill player. As we get to the SF position we see that their are more superior athlete type players than at the other positions. But if we do a count 5 pure skill types, 2 athlete/skill dudes, 3 pure athlete types. The entire point of this exercise is to find out what breeds success at the next level. All NBA players in a top 10 list are good athletes, and have good skills. A few have great skills and aren't known for athleticism and some are really great athletes but the skills are 2nd. The elite few like LeBron, Kawhi and Giannis have both. The thing is, LeBron James would still be good if he wasn't as strong or as superior of an athlete as he is. His skill level would propel him to these lists, just not to the top. Doncic isn't say, a Korver, a McDermott, Jimmer Fredette or a Kennard or someone like that. Those guys were/are clear minuses athletically. Only Korver was able to use superior skill to overcome that negative, Kennard we still don't know about. Doncic has good size and actually is a pretty good athlete. Playing as a 17/18 year old for one of the best teams in the 2nd best league in the world and having that level of success with those stat lines. In my opinion he's the most skilled player to enter the draft in the last 10 years. The only flaw in his profile is not being AMAZING athletically. But he's still pretty damn good. Well clearly skill level is the most important part of a players profile, pure athletes fail without skill. Pure athletes with pure skill are dominant. But so are pure skill players with good athleticism. In my opinion his closest comp is basically Gordon Hayward. Similar size, skill set and whiteness. The thing is, Doncic is better at all of the things that Hayward was good at in college. While being 3 years younger while going against better competition than Butler ever did. Actually, he's the closest to an Anthony Davis, LBJ level prospect we've seen since those two guys in my opinion albeit maybe slightly below those guys. By the end of next season he'll be the most consensus #1 overall pick we've seen since those two guys.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 9, 2017 1:47:23 GMT
Unless he goes to the Jabari Parker camp of secret super late blooming athleticism, no he isn't. He's got similar athletic profile to KAT. Good not great as being the only flaw in his profile. Skilled players are more likely to succeed in the NBA than mega athlete/size players. For example: Best point guards per some random CSN site: 1) Steph Curry + 2) Russell Westbrook * 3) Chris Paul + - 4) Kyrie Irving + 5) John Wall * 6) Damian Lillard + 7) Kyle Lowry + - 8) Isaiah Thomas + - 9) Mike Conley + 10) Kemba Walker + - Key: * = Player known for athleticism, + = Player known for skill play, - = Player with flaws in frame or physical profile Lets do it for Doncics projected position of Shooting Guard per random Bleacher Report article. 1) Giannis Antetekoumpo * + 2) Bradley Beal + - 3) DeMar DeRozen * 4) CJ McCollum + - 5) Klay Thompson + 6) Kentavious Caldwell Pope (no idea) 7) Pat Beverley + - 8) Jrue Holiday + - 9) Dwayne Wade * (not anymore really) 10) Nicolas Batum + First off, Bleacher Report has no idea what the hell a shooting guard is but they did do these postion based on % of position played this season. Once again we see that players known for superior skills dominate the list. Harden is missing because I chose a different site than previously used but he's probably #1 or 2 depending on who you pick between Harden and Giannis and is also a skills player. Luka is 6'8" he'll probably play SG/SF a bit more 1) LeBron James * + 2) Khawi Leonard * + 3) Jimmy Butler * 4) Paul George * 5) Gordon Hayward + 6) Otto Porter + 7) Jae Crowder * 8) Trever Ariza + 9) Rudy Gay + 10) Carmelo Anthony + Now we can argue about the rankings of each position all day. BUT, most of us have some combo of these players in their top ten at each of these positions. We see at the Small Forward position that Durant is missing as he played PF in a lot of Warriors lineups but he's a SF on most teams, he's also a skill player. As we get to the SF position we see that their are more superior athlete type players than at the other positions. But if we do a count 5 pure skill types, 2 athlete/skill dudes, 3 pure athlete types. The entire point of this exercise is to find out what breeds success at the next level. All NBA players in a top 10 list are good athletes, and have good skills. A few have great skills and aren't known for athleticism and some are really great athletes but the skills are 2nd. The elite few like LeBron, Kawhi and Giannis have both. The thing is, LeBron James would still be good if he wasn't as strong or as superior of an athlete as he is. His skill level would propel him to these lists, just not to the top. Doncic isn't say, a Korver, a McDermott, Jimmer Fredette or a Kennard or someone like that. Those guys were/are clear minuses athletically. Only Korver was able to use superior skill to overcome that negative, Kennard we still don't know about. Doncic has good size and actually is a pretty good athlete. Playing as a 17/18 year old for one of the best teams in the 2nd best league in the world and having that level of success with those stat lines. In my opinion he's the most skilled player to enter the draft in the last 10 years. The only flaw in his profile is not being AMAZING athletically. But he's still pretty damn good. Well clearly skill level is the most important part of a players profile, pure athletes fail without skill. Pure athletes with pure skill are dominant. But so are pure skill players with good athleticism. In my opinion his closest comp is basically Gordon Hayward. Similar size, skill set and whiteness. The thing is, Doncic is better at all of the things that Hayward was good at in college. While being 3 years younger while going against better competition than Butler ever did. Actually, he's the closest to an Anthony Davis, LBJ level prospect we've seen since those two guys in my opinion albeit maybe slightly below those guys. By the end of next season he'll be the most consensus #1 overall pick we've seen since those two guys. He's gonna be most likely either a Sun,Hawk,Piston,Jazz or wizard
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 1:47:51 GMT
Unless he goes to the Jabari Parker camp of secret super late blooming athleticism, no he isn't. He's got similar athletic profile to KAT. Good not great as being the only flaw in his profile. Skilled players are more likely to succeed in the NBA than mega athlete/size players. For example: Best point guards per some random CSN site: 1) Steph Curry + 2) Russell Westbrook * 3) Chris Paul + - 4) Kyrie Irving + 5) John Wall * 6) Damian Lillard + 7) Kyle Lowry + - 8) Isaiah Thomas + - 9) Mike Conley + 10) Kemba Walker + - Key: * = Player known for athleticism, + = Player known for skill play, - = Player with flaws in frame or physical profile Lets do it for Doncics projected position of Shooting Guard per random Bleacher Report article. 1) Giannis Antetekoumpo * + 2) Bradley Beal + - 3) DeMar DeRozen * 4) CJ McCollum + - 5) Klay Thompson + 6) Kentavious Caldwell Pope (no idea) 7) Pat Beverley + - 8) Jrue Holiday + - 9) Dwayne Wade * (not anymore really) 10) Nicolas Batum + First off, Bleacher Report has no idea what the hell a shooting guard is but they did do these postion based on % of position played this season. Once again we see that players known for superior skills dominate the list. Harden is missing because I chose a different site than previously used but he's probably #1 or 2 depending on who you pick between Harden and Giannis and is also a skills player. Luka is 6'8" he'll probably play SG/SF a bit more 1) LeBron James * + 2) Khawi Leonard * + 3) Jimmy Butler * 4) Paul George * 5) Gordon Hayward + 6) Otto Porter + 7) Jae Crowder * 8) Trever Ariza + 9) Rudy Gay + 10) Carmelo Anthony + Now we can argue about the rankings of each position all day. BUT, most of us have some combo of these players in their top ten at each of these positions. We see at the Small Forward position that Durant is missing as he played PF in a lot of Warriors lineups but he's a SF on most teams, he's also a skill player. As we get to the SF position we see that their are more superior athlete type players than at the other positions. But if we do a count 5 pure skill types, 2 athlete/skill dudes, 3 pure athlete types. The entire point of this exercise is to find out what breeds success at the next level. All NBA players in a top 10 list are good athletes, and have good skills. A few have great skills and aren't known for athleticism and some are really great athletes but the skills are 2nd. The elite few like LeBron, Kawhi and Giannis have both. The thing is, LeBron James would still be good if he wasn't as strong or as superior of an athlete as he is. His skill level would propel him to these lists, just not to the top. Doncic isn't say, a Korver, a McDermott, Jimmer Fredette or a Kennard or someone like that. Those guys were/are clear minuses athletically. Only Korver was able to use superior skill to overcome that negative, Kennard we still don't know about. Doncic has good size and actually is a pretty good athlete. Playing as a 17/18 year old for one of the best teams in the 2nd best league in the world and having that level of success with those stat lines. In my opinion he's the most skilled player to enter the draft in the last 10 years. The only flaw in his profile is not being AMAZING athletically. But he's still pretty damn good. Well clearly skill level is the most important part of a players profile, pure athletes fail without skill. Pure athletes with pure skill are dominant. But so are pure skill players with good athleticism. In my opinion his closest comp is basically Gordon Hayward. Similar size, skill set and whiteness. The thing is, Doncic is better at all of the things that Hayward was good at in college. While being 3 years younger while going against better competition than Butler ever did. Actually, he's the closest to an Anthony Davis, LBJ level prospect we've seen since those two guys in my opinion albeit maybe slightly below those guys. By the end of next season he'll be the most consensus #1 overall pick we've seen since those two guys. Ok
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 10, 2017 5:18:11 GMT
RIP
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 13, 2017 20:49:10 GMT
The Spurs clearly saw how I roll, and shamelessly copied
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 13, 2017 20:50:50 GMT
The Spurs clearly saw how I roll, and shamelessly copied Uhh, I got so much shit for that trade..
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Post by Alex English on Jul 21, 2017 20:02:38 GMT
Looks like Kyrie Irving just requested a trade lol.
I can't believe what a shit show the Cavs are despite being one of the best teams in the NBA. I swear if they hadn't lucked out on the fact that LeBron was born in Ohio then the Cavs would rival the Kings and Knicks in terms of incompetence.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jul 21, 2017 20:06:19 GMT
Kyrie says he doesn't want to play with LeBron anymore......... like WHAT?
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 21, 2017 20:07:22 GMT
Kyrie says he doesn't want to play with LeBron anymore......... like WHAT? Right!?!?! That absolutely blows my mind.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 21, 2017 20:08:12 GMT
Looks like Kyrie Irving just requested a trade lol.
I can't believe what a shit show the Cavs are despite being one of the best teams in the NBA. I swear if they hadn't lucked out on the fact that LeBron was born in Ohio then the Cavs would rival the Kings and Knicks in terms of incompetence. Wow. I'm a pretty big Cavs fan as well as an Irving fan. Can't believe that Irving would request a trade. I would really like to know whats going internally in the organization for this to happen. I wonder if he caught wind that his name was consistently thrown out there in trade talks to bring in Paul George, Jimmy Butler and Carmelo Anthony, and felt disrespected. Kyrie was a huge reason why they won the finals 2 years ago. This really sucks.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 21, 2017 20:11:22 GMT
Surely Kyrie wouldn't have left if Lebron didn't feel the same way?
But where the hell is this coming from?! Dan Gilbert's mismanagement?!
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 21, 2017 20:19:56 GMT
He said last week that the team was in a weird situation, gmless and there team hasn't improved. They threw his name out in trade talks, I'd want out too
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Post by Alex English on Jul 21, 2017 20:27:29 GMT
I've never really liked Lebron, so maybe I'm just daydreaming or something, but I think he's a huge part of the Cavs problem.
I think he's a egotistical borderline narcissist that wants too much control over the Cavs organization. Every few weeks it seems like Lebron is complaining to the media about how the Cavs aren't good enough, or he's concerned about their lack of moves, or they badly need another PG, or something else. It's like he's already trying to shift the blame to the coach, GM and his teammates before they've even failed to succeed.
I could see how playing with him probably isn't that fun unless you're okay with giving him all the credit and spotlight 100% of the time. The dude literally has "Chosen 1" tattooed across his back. Like come on, you're a douche.
I always enjoy cheering against Lebron. He'll probably leave the Cavs next summer too.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jul 21, 2017 20:28:15 GMT
If Kyrie goes to San Antonio to team up with Kawhi, then that could be exciting!
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