HOU - SAS

[Charles Barkley]

The San Antonio Spurs and Houston Rockets have reached the following agreement:


The San Antonio Spurs send:

75 Thabo Selfolosha $4,104,725

73 Gerald Green       $3,500,000

1st Round Pick 2019 San Antonio Spurs

Total Salary Outgoing: $7,604,725

The Houston Rockets send:

83 Jrue Holiday $12,500,000   $12,500,000   $13,000,000

Total Salary Outgoing: $12,500,000



The Spurs will be below the salary cap when the trade is finalized.


I accept. At this time, the Houston Rockets need to be optimistic about this season yet vigilant going forward. We recently moved Giannis to his natural PG spot, thus making Jrue Holiday expendable. With Jrue's salary off the books next season, we now have the ability to offer a max contract. Furthermore, I may be a terrible GM when it comes to making trades and foresight, but there are some things that are safer bets than others, and I feel as though this is a pretty safe bet.

Jrue is important to our team, but he is not the cook in the kitchen. And TJ's emergence this season has given us a great hope going forward and we hope to build on that this off-season. 

[Alex English]

Finally, the Spurs acquire a point guard.

[Jeremiah Hill]

This is dumb as shit. I would like to welcome Giannis to the Memphis Grizzlies.

[Ian Noble]

JR's going to say this is for his playoff push. I suppose there's not a law of nature against Jrue and IT starting together.

I think the Spurs are overpaying but I'm willing to accept, it doesn't seriously affect either team.

[Charles Barkley]

Apr 16, 2017 10:43:17 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

This is dumb as shit. I would like to welcome Giannis to the Memphis Grizzlies.

I really don't see your point here, but alright.

[JR Wiles]

Correct Ian. We accept.

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Giannis is gonna look good in a Nets jersey.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Yeah Chuck lets act like having 3 pgs making more than 8 mil. One on a max contract is a good idea for ANY team.

The trade is retarded if this is all it takes to get a first off SAS then I wasn't offering enough times till i5 stuck.

[Charles Barkley]

Apr 16, 2017 19:22:59 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

Yeah Chuck lets act like having 3 pgs making more than 8 mil. One on a max contract is a good idea for ANY team.

The trade is retarded if this is all it takes to get a first off SAS then I wasn't offering enough times till i5 stuck.

Sure am glad you don't have a vote then I guess?

I mean, there's not thinking a trade is fair based on the value being exchanged. 

And then there seems to be this side that you're occupying, where you're pissy because the GM didn't want your offer. 

In any case, I don't see how your original statement made sense, that Giannis would be in a Grizzlies jersey. 

[Alex English]

This is a weird trade where it just makes no sense for either team. The value is decent I guess, I'm not sure Houston gets enough for Jrue though. What is this? A mid 1st round/late lottery pick in 2019 (with a chance at a top pick if things go bad for SAS) for Jrue Holiday? I'd rather just have Jrue but I guess it's close enough on value that it's acceptable.

But then you look at what's going on with both teams and this trade is stupid. What are the Spurs going to do with Jrue? Start four point guards with Paul Millsap? That lineup is so unbalanced that it just looks frustratingly dysfunctional.

Then there's Houston. The Rockets seem to have a habit of doing too much and being impatient or something, I dunno. Houston could theoretically have a roster with Marc Gasol, Paul Millsap, Giannis and Kawhi Leonard right now. The number of great players that have gone to Houston only to be moved again shortly thereafter is a championship caliber squad all on it's own. This is another one of those moves. A core of Jrue, Eric Gordon, Giannis and Love is pretty damn good and Charles can just do nothing at all and let Giannis get his rating increases. Now that core will be broken up for what? A gamble on a draft that's more than 2 years away? How soon until Love and Gordon get traded away? It just doesn't make sense.

But we don't usually reject trades based on a GM's plan without extenuating circumstances. Houston and San Antonio both have solid teams that won't be ruined by this trade, so it should just be about value, and the value here is decent, I guess.

So I'll accept, but this trade is stupid.

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I wouldn't bet on any pick by JR being any good. The dude will do anything to win.

I think Houston is getting boned. Remember when he traded Nurkic for Jrue just a few months ago?

[Walt Frazier]

I'm not convinced this is enough value for Jrue. Going to think about it.

I will acknowledge the whole aspect of trusted gms and this not killing Charles' team per se, but I feel like he loses a LOT of value here.

[Danny Longley]

Jrue's on a really good contract, but he hasn't been particularly good the last two seasons. IMO more an 80-81 than an 83 at this point, so I guess i'm okay with him being moved for an average first even though I agree that it's not great value.

As for JR, it's good value IMO. Yeah, he's probably a guard away from being the IRL Celtics but Jrue's good enough value for money that I don't blame him for taking the deal regardless of fit.

So sure, Accept.

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JR team looked like complete shit the last couple years, and Barber tried incessently to sell me his 2017 1st over and over again. I almost gave up Whiteside for it. Look at his team now. Betting on JRs pick to be top half lotto is a bad bet. I don't think this deal is rejectable, but I do think CB is losing a lot of value. Will 12M net him more value during free agency? Doubt it.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Apr 17, 2017 12:11:57 GMT @riogho said:

JR team looked like complete shit the last couple years, and Barber tried incessently to sell me his 2017 1st over and over again. I almost gave up Whiteside for it. Look at his team now. Betting on JRs pick to be top half lotto is a bad bet. I don't think this deal is rejectable, but I do think CB is losing a lot of value. Will 12M net him more value during free agency? Doubt it.

In my defense, this is the first year since the inaugural D5 season where the Spurs pick will not be top 10. The trajectory has gone as follows:

2011/2012: 29th overall
2012/2013: 1st overall
2013/2014: 7th overall
2014/2015: 9th overall

I think any reasonable person would have assumed his pick would remain top 10 this year, but I think a combination of having more people tank than ever before as well as JR having an incredible free agency period signing both Millsap and Rose led to his pick being super devalued in the one year I have it haha

[Charles Barkley]

Millsap, Thomas, and Rose are aging. Jrue won't be there the 2019 season unless it is on a different deal.

With the changes in the sim to how assists work, I am comfortable playing Giannis at the point guard for the time being, and it allows me to play TJ Warren at the 3. I think the swap of TJ in my lineup instead of Jrue is a better fit for my team at the current time.

Additionally, I will now have 30 million this off-season to play with, which has never been good for me before but hey.

Also, the trade I made of Rubio, Nurkic, and my first this year for Jrue and Paul Pierce may be one of the worst trades I've ever made, in hindsight. But at that time, Rubio was playing like shit and on the verge of being benched and not looking to improve. And Nurkic had lost his starting spot to Jokic and is often injured. It just so happened Rubio decided to live up to his potential almost the moment I traded him and Nurkic has been moderately healthy the last half of the year with Portland.

[Bryan Colangelo]

I accept

[Walt Frazier]

Well that's 4 accepts. I'm really unsure about it. I feel like, in the past, some trades have been rejected if it left a team with, let's say, zero PG on the roster. Or at least heavily questioned. Adding a 3rd PG sort of falls into that caliber to me.

But in the end, it's through it looks like. Just wanted to voice my questions and acknowledge I did not vote on this trade.

The Salary gain plus a middling pick and some depth is fine, but kind of weird to see two teams battling pretty hard for a playoff spot make this trade. It LOOKS like Charles is conceeding this season/race.

Just a lot of reasons I don't like this trade even if I do understand each manager's thought process.

[Charles Barkley]

Apr 17, 2017 23:44:42 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Well that's 4 accepts. I'm really unsure about it. I feel like, in the past, some trades have been rejected if it left a team with, let's say, zero PG on the roster. Or at least heavily questioned. Adding a 3rd PG sort of falls into that caliber to me.

But in the end, it's through it looks like. Just wanted to voice my questions and acknowledge I did not vote on this trade.

The Salary gain plus a middling pick and some depth is fine, but kind of weird to see two teams battling pretty hard for a playoff spot make this trade. It LOOKS like Charles is conceeding this season/race.

Just a lot of reasons I don't like this trade even if I do understand each manager's thought process.

I'm not conceeding, the race isn't between Houston and San Antonio. He's a 7 seed currently, I'm the 8th seed. Next closest is New Orleans.

I would much rather play GSW than Oklahoma City first round. Think it is a better match-up for my squad, and I think TJ Warren at the 3 makes our squad better. 

[Walt Frazier]

Apr 18, 2017 2:17:43 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Apr 17, 2017 23:44:42 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Well that's 4 accepts. I'm really unsure about it. I feel like, in the past, some trades have been rejected if it left a team with, let's say, zero PG on the roster. Or at least heavily questioned. Adding a 3rd PG sort of falls into that caliber to me.

But in the end, it's through it looks like. Just wanted to voice my questions and acknowledge I did not vote on this trade.

The Salary gain plus a middling pick and some depth is fine, but kind of weird to see two teams battling pretty hard for a playoff spot make this trade. It LOOKS like Charles is conceeding this season/race.

Just a lot of reasons I don't like this trade even if I do understand each manager's thought process.

I'm not conceeding, the race isn't between Houston and San Antonio. He's a 7 seed currently, I'm the 8th seed. Next closest is New Orleans.

I would much rather play GSW than Oklahoma City first round. Think it is a better match-up for my squad, and I think TJ Warren at the 3 makes our squad better. 

And you shit on me in the process! Lol. Right now I'm the 2 seed, not OKC. I've been here on and off for a good chunk of the season, don't think it's a lock that OKC ends up 2 at this time.

But anyway, honestly I forgot/didn't check exactly how close things were down there, I just knew you were both in the bottom of the playoff picture and it's odd to see two teams so close in the standings find a trade at this point in the season that actually makes sense for both of them. Unless they're deciding on going in different directions.

Warren fits as a SF better than Jrue, no doubt, but there is a value loss here that's odd for a playoff team, plain and simple, from my POV.

[Ian Noble]

The Spurs need to sign a player before this deal can go through

[Charles Barkley]

Apr 18, 2017 2:38:55 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Apr 18, 2017 2:17:43 GMT Charles Barkley said:

I'm not conceeding, the race isn't between Houston and San Antonio. He's a 7 seed currently, I'm the 8th seed. Next closest is New Orleans.

I would much rather play GSW than Oklahoma City first round. Think it is a better match-up for my squad, and I think TJ Warren at the 3 makes our squad better. 

And you shit on me in the process! Lol. Right now I'm the 2 seed, not OKC. I've been here on and off for a good chunk of the season, don't think it's a lock that OKC ends up 2 at this time.

But anyway, honestly I forgot/didn't check exactly how close things were down there, I just knew you were both in the bottom of the playoff picture and it's odd to see two teams so close in the standings find a trade at this point in the season that actually makes sense for both of them. Unless they're deciding on going in different directions.

Warren fits as a SF better than Jrue, no doubt, but there is a value loss here that's odd for a playoff team, plain and simple, from my POV.

I did not realize you were the 2 seed. I don't think I match up too great with you either. I'd rather have the 8 seed than the 7 or 6

[Ian Noble]

Trade passed

[Spike Lee]

Apr 17, 2017 19:13:48 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Also, the trade I made of Rubio, Nurkic, and my first this year for Jrue and Paul Pierce may be one of the worst trades I've ever made , in hindsight. But at that time, Rubio was playing like shit and on the verge of being benched and not looking to improve. And Nurkic had lost his starting spot to Jokic and is often injured. It just so happened Rubio decided to live up to his potential almost the moment I traded him and Nurkic has been moderately healthy the last half of the year with Portland.

and one of the best trades NYK has ever made

[Charles Barkley]

Apr 22, 2017 16:45:28 GMT Spike Lee said:

Apr 17, 2017 19:13:48 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Also, the trade I made of Rubio, Nurkic, and my first this year for Jrue and Paul Pierce may be one of the worst trades I've ever made , in hindsight. But at that time, Rubio was playing like shit and on the verge of being benched and not looking to improve. And Nurkic had lost his starting spot to Jokic and is often injured. It just so happened Rubio decided to live up to his potential almost the moment I traded him and Nurkic has been moderately healthy the last half of the year with Portland.

and one of the best trades NYK has ever made

lil bitch, billy said you lived in cleveland, pull-up