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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Apr 15, 2017 1:58:35 GMT
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 15, 2017 4:28:33 GMT
84
He is the 6th player to score 70 or more..
"That is your lone argument?" - Uhm.. Yeah.. NBA has been running for how many years?? And this guy is only the 6th one to do that? That fact alone contains all the arguments that his offensive arsenal is insane.. As in insane..
"His team help him out though" - so what! Every other players that played in the NBA had the opportunity to do what he did, but he was the one who did it. Yeah... JORDAN AND LEBRON FAILED TO DO IT. YEAH, EVEN THE GREAT STEPHEN CURRY.
That 70 points performance exhibited the highest form of his offensive skills and it was PRETTY HIGH. You cannot discount it with your decisions because again, he was only the 6th player to do it...
Again... 84
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 15, 2017 5:01:34 GMT
84 He is the 6th player to score 70 or more.. "That is your lone argument?" - Uhm.. Yeah.. NBA has been running for how many years?? And this guy is only the 6th one to do that? That fact alone contains all the arguments that his offensive arsenal is insane.. As in insane.. "His team help him out though" - so what! Every other players that played in the NBA had the opportunity to do what he did, but he was the one who did it. Yeah... JORDAN AND LEBRON FAILED TO DO IT. YEAH, EVEN THE GREAT STEPHEN CURRY. That 70 points performance exhibited the highest form of his offensive skills and it was PRETTY HIGH. You cannot discount it with your decisions because again, he was only the 6th player to do it... Again... 84 That game meant nothing other than yeah, he's a pretty good shooter. If shows that if 4 of your better teammates sit (Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Warren) and you get the green light to shoot 40 times and you get really lucky with foul calls (he shot 26 foul shots) that you can get on that list of players who scored 60+ on wikipedia. In the modern era (most of the guys on that list are Wilt Chamberlain, Kobe, Bayor and Jordan). He is the only player to score 60+ to also lose his game. Melo, LBJ, Kobe, Gilbert Arenas ALL won their games. Booker had the game of his life. He'll never do it again because he's good, but he's not some otherworldly player, he needed the perfect conditions where he was literally the only player on the team who was averaging more than 10 points a game playing that day. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 15, 2017 5:24:02 GMT
24.6 ppg 4.2 rpg, 4.1 apg 3.6 tov .2 bpg, 1.0 spg 42.0% fg 35.3% 3pt 84.1% FT 17.7 ppg 11.6 rpg 6.1 apg 2.8 tov .6 bpg 1.0 spg 57.5% fg 25.9% 3pt 84.1% FT *post all-star numbers The following people voted as such on the first player: Ian: 81 Alex: 80 King: 82 Walt: 81 Hana: 84 Those same people voted this on the 2nd player: Ian: 82 Alex: 82 King: 84 Walt: 84.5 Hana: 86 Average for the 1st player: 81.6 Average for the 2nd player: 83.7 I'm challenging the way you are voting on players in general. Neither of these players are standouts on defense. One is a gifted rebounder, passer and a very efficient scorer. The other is just a good scorer, his passing is essentially nothing considering he turns the ball over 3.6 times a game at only 4.1 assists. HOW is it justified that the 2nd player is only two OVR points higher for the majority of you? Doesn't add up to me. Ian NobleWalt FrazierAlex English@riogho Hanamichi Sakuragi |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 15, 2017 7:12:00 GMT
84 He is the 6th player to score 70 or more.. "That is your lone argument?" - Uhm.. Yeah.. NBA has been running for how many years?? And this guy is only the 6th one to do that? That fact alone contains all the arguments that his offensive arsenal is insane.. As in insane.. "His team help him out though" - so what! Every other players that played in the NBA had the opportunity to do what he did, but he was the one who did it. Yeah... JORDAN AND LEBRON FAILED TO DO IT. YEAH, EVEN THE GREAT STEPHEN CURRY. That 70 points performance exhibited the highest form of his offensive skills and it was PRETTY HIGH. You cannot discount it with your decisions because again, he was only the 6th player to do it... Again... 84 That game meant nothing other than yeah, he's a pretty good shooter. If shows that if 4 of your better teammates sit (Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Warren) and you get the green light to shoot 40 times and you get really lucky with foul calls (he shot 26 foul shots) that you can get on that list of players who scored 60+ on wikipedia. In the modern era (most of the guys on that list are Wilt Chamberlain, Kobe, Bayor and Jordan). He is the only player to score 60+ to also lose his game. Melo, LBJ, Kobe, Gilbert Arenas ALL won their games. Booker had the game of his life. He'll never do it again because he's good, but he's not some otherworldly player, he needed the perfect conditions where he was literally the only player on the team who was averaging more than 10 points a game playing that day. Thank you for magnifying my point... Kindly check the ranking of Boston in terms of D Rating... When you are playing with players who cannot even average double-digit in points and you still score 70, it also suggests how GREAT your offensive skill is... Boston has 5 players in the court, playing Booker and 4 players who are not capable of averaging double-digit in points... and Booker scored 70 points.. Maybe... Boston's defense is not that great... Maybe there coach is not wise enough to stop him from scoring 70 points... NO. He scored 70 because he is a great scorer... You can pour every seasonal stats out there to prove that other players should be voted higher... but for me, that game was enough to say that he is 84.. Because again, in that game he became the 6th player to score 70 points or more... If that doesn't count as much, that is your own prerogative.. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 15, 2017 8:45:12 GMT
That game meant nothing other than yeah, he's a pretty good shooter. If shows that if 4 of your better teammates sit (Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Warren) and you get the green light to shoot 40 times and you get really lucky with foul calls (he shot 26 foul shots) that you can get on that list of players who scored 60+ on wikipedia. In the modern era (most of the guys on that list are Wilt Chamberlain, Kobe, Bayor and Jordan). He is the only player to score 60+ to also lose his game. Melo, LBJ, Kobe, Gilbert Arenas ALL won their games. Booker had the game of his life. He'll never do it again because he's good, but he's not some otherworldly player, he needed the perfect conditions where he was literally the only player on the team who was averaging more than 10 points a game playing that day. Thank you for magnifying my point... Kindly check the ranking of Boston in terms of D Rating... When you are playing with players who cannot even average double-digit in points and you still score 70, it also suggests how GREAT your offensive skill is... Boston has 5 players in the court, playing Booker and 4 players who are not capable of averaging double-digit in points... and Booker scored 70 points.. Maybe... Boston's defense is not that great... Maybe there coach is not wise enough to stop him from scoring 70 points... NO. He scored 70 because he is a great scorer... You can pour every seasonal stats out there to prove that other players should be voted higher... but for me, that game was enough to say that he is 84.. Because again, in that game he became the 6th player to score 70 points or more... If that doesn't count as much, that is your own prerogative.. 17 pts, 21 reb, 12 ast 53% fg 20 pts, 12 reb, 11 ast 53% fg 26 pts, 13 reb, 10 ast 68% fg 27 pts, 15 reb, 9 ast 60% fg 29 pts, 16 reb, 8 ast 57% fg 5 blocks 40 pts, 9 reb, 5 ast 73% fg 27 pts, 11 reb, 4 ast 83% fg Those are some of Jokic's lines from throughout the season. Booker had ONE game where he scored 70 points. He never once had double digit assists or rebounds, never passed 3 steals or had more than 2 blocks. He is a great scorer, FINE. But where are all the ratings points supposed to go? He's not exceptionally athletic, that good of a passer nor is he a gifted rebounder. Are we supposed to take all of his shooting ratings to 99? I don't even think Curry or Harden has 99 ratings in all scoring categories. If he comes in and drops 25-27 ppg at reasonable percentages, fine. He'll be an 86 or so. But he doesn't do anything else with any sort of consistency or efficiency to justify an 84 rating imo. If he progresses and improves efficiency, passing, defense, what have you then yeah, he's looking at an 84-85 and if he blows us all away 88-89 but quite frankly I haven't seen it. The stats don't support it and unless people are watching tons of Suns games and see something I haven't in the game I saw of them I don't think anyone can honestly argue that he's some great player right now. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 15, 2017 10:35:08 GMT
Thank you for magnifying my point... Kindly check the ranking of Boston in terms of D Rating... When you are playing with players who cannot even average double-digit in points and you still score 70, it also suggests how GREAT your offensive skill is... Boston has 5 players in the court, playing Booker and 4 players who are not capable of averaging double-digit in points... and Booker scored 70 points.. Maybe... Boston's defense is not that great... Maybe there coach is not wise enough to stop him from scoring 70 points... NO. He scored 70 because he is a great scorer... You can pour every seasonal stats out there to prove that other players should be voted higher... but for me, that game was enough to say that he is 84.. Because again, in that game he became the 6th player to score 70 points or more... If that doesn't count as much, that is your own prerogative.. 17 pts, 21 reb, 12 ast 53% fg 20 pts, 12 reb, 11 ast 53% fg 26 pts, 13 reb, 10 ast 68% fg 27 pts, 15 reb, 9 ast 60% fg 29 pts, 16 reb, 8 ast 57% fg 5 blocks 40 pts, 9 reb, 5 ast 73% fg 27 pts, 11 reb, 4 ast 83% fg Those are some of Jokic's lines from throughout the season. Booker had ONE game where he scored 70 points. He never once had double digit assists or rebounds, never passed 3 steals or had more than 2 blocks. He is a great scorer, FINE. But where are all the ratings points supposed to go? He's not exceptionally athletic, that good of a passer nor is he a gifted rebounder. Are we supposed to take all of his shooting ratings to 99? I don't even think Curry or Harden has 99 ratings in all scoring categories. If he comes in and drops 25-27 ppg at reasonable percentages, fine. He'll be an 86 or so. But he doesn't do anything else with any sort of consistency or efficiency to justify an 84 rating imo. If he progresses and improves efficiency, passing, defense, what have you then yeah, he's looking at an 84-85 and if he blows us all away 88-89 but quite frankly I haven't seen it. The stats don't support it and unless people are watching tons of Suns games and see something I haven't in the game I saw of them I don't think anyone can honestly argue that he's some great player right now. I am vouching for a +4 which means around 60 points.. FG +16 Ins. Scr. +6 OAware +8 FT +5 Pass +4 Handle +6 Block +6 Steal +4 DAware +5 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 11:42:54 GMT
Post all Star stats are trash anyway and you know it. March in the NBA is like September in the MLB. If you go by March stats to evaluate your players moving forward you've fucked up big time.
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Apr 15, 2017 14:29:08 GMT
80 for me as well...
On a 2nd note, it sounds like Wiggins also needs to be bumped a couple of points.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 15, 2017 16:21:09 GMT
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 15, 2017 16:24:54 GMT
I am vouching for a +4 which means around 60 points.. FG +16 (bit of a leap considering his FG% is exactly the same as last year) Ins. Scr. +6 (he's shooting 8% lower on layups than he did last year, he barely improved on midrange) OAware +8. (Why, he's not really that great of a ball mover in the system) FT +5 (He LITERALLY SHOT WORSE THIS YEAR and shoots 3 percent better in the sim) Pass +4 (he turns the ball over way more than he should, which is more an argument against his oaware) Handle +6 (he turns the ball over way too much) Block +6.(i'm actually OK with this one he's at .3 bpg which is pretty good for a guard and his rating is pretty low) Steal +4 (he barely improved on a per minute basis. Fine with this) DAware +5 (other than a few counting stats going up due to a minutes increase every advanced defensive stat shows he was worse on defense this year and since you value drtg so much you'll know he was 4 points worse off this year, had worse defensive plus minus, and fewer defensive win shares) If I'm doing this rating change: FG +5 Pass +1 Handle +1 Block +2
Steal +1
Probably one of the rebounds or a quickness can go up by 1.
There, we have Devin Booker, the defensible 80 ovr. Anything more than that is ridiculous to me. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 15, 2017 22:47:19 GMT
I am vouching for a +4 which means around 60 points.. FG +16 (bit of a leap considering his FG% is exactly the same as last year) Ins. Scr. +6 (he's shooting 8% lower on layups than he did last year, he barely improved on midrange) OAware +8. (Why, he's not really that great of a ball mover in the system) FT +5 (He LITERALLY SHOT WORSE THIS YEAR and shoots 3 percent better in the sim) Pass +4 (he turns the ball over way more than he should, which is more an argument against his oaware) Handle +6 (he turns the ball over way too much) Block +6.(i'm actually OK with this one he's at .3 bpg which is pretty good for a guard and his rating is pretty low) Steal +4 (he barely improved on a per minute basis. Fine with this) DAware +5 (other than a few counting stats going up due to a minutes increase every advanced defensive stat shows he was worse on defense this year and since you value drtg so much you'll know he was 4 points worse off this year, had worse defensive plus minus, and fewer defensive win shares) So what he scored 70 points... |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 16, 2017 0:40:03 GMT
So what he scored 70 points... 1 time. Big whoop. |
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Post by Jared Montini on Apr 16, 2017 0:42:54 GMT
So what he scored 70 points... They lost, most of his points were garbage buckets. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 16, 2017 1:22:46 GMT
So what he scored 70 points... They lost, most of his points were garbage buckets. It was more like a 55 point performance before the Suns started to foul to get the ball back and all that bullshit. Impressive but not groundbreaking |
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Post by Jared Montini on Apr 16, 2017 1:40:12 GMT
They lost, most of his points were garbage buckets. It was more like a 55 point performance before the Suns started to foul to get the ball back and all that bullshit. Impressive but not groundbreaking Yeah, I watched the 2nd half live and it was impressive. I was just saying that because a rating shouldnt be justified due to 1 game |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 16, 2017 7:08:21 GMT
Oh come on. We are entitled to our own perspective here.That 1 game showed me the peak of his arsenal and that is the main reason why I am giving him an 84. If you don't want to consider that 1 game ,that is finee.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 25, 2017 12:23:00 GMT
84 - 82 - 82 - 82 - 81 - 81 - 80.5 - 80 - 80 - 80 - 80 - 79
Average = 80.85 = 81
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