Vlade Divac
Former Kings GM
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Post by Vlade Divac on Feb 8, 2017 21:56:49 GMT
Mavericks Send:
PG Ty Lawson 77 $12,321,000/$13,676,310/$15,180,704/$16,850,582(TO)
PG Devin Harris 77 $3,000,000/$3,000,000/$3,000,000
PG DJ Augustin 74 $4,000,000/$4,500,000/$5,000,000(PO)/$5,500,000(PO)
Contract of Johnny O'Bryant $700,000/1
2019 2nd (Mavericks)
Mavericks Receive:
PG Rajon Rondo 84 $24,940,975/1 (DET)
Outgoing: $20,021,000
Incoming: $24,940,975
Jazz Send:
2018 1st (Pistons)
2020 1st (Pistons)
Jazz Receive:
2017 1st (Pistons via DET)
Outgoing: $0
Incoming: $0
Pistons Send:
PG Rajon Rondo 84 $24,940,975/1
2017 1st (DET)
Pistons Receive:
PG Ty Lawson 77 $12,321,000/$13,676,310/$15,180,704/$16,850,582(TO) (DAL)
PG Devin Harris 77 $3,000,000/$3,000,000/$3,000,000 (DAL)
PG DJ Augustin 74 $4,000,000/$4,500,000/$5,000,000(PO)/$5,500,000(PO) (DAL)
Contract of Johnny O'Bryant $700,000/1 (DAL)
2018 1st (Pistons via UTA)
2020 1st (Pistons via UTA)
2019 2nd (Mavericks via DAL)
Outgoing: $24,940,975
Incoming: $20,021,000
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 8, 2017 21:59:42 GMT
Why does Detroit even do the Dallas portion of this trade? He is taking on unnecessary salary and making his team worse, thus helping Utah get a better pick this year. Why not just go directly to Utah and trade 1 pick for 2 picks? I already know the answer, and it smells like collusion...
Just going to edit my post since I'm sure this thread will have a lot to it...
This is going to come off very accusative, but to me it looks like you guys are trying to sneak two separate trades into one trade so one of them will not get rejected. The TC would never pass Rondo for Lawson and friends, but they might pass this trade based on Detroit's total package. The only reason Detroit is trading Rondo is because it makes the DET 2017 more enticing, thus the only reason Utah will make the move. I guess we don't have rules on this sort of thing but I think this is a very interesting trade that the TC should really think about before voting on.
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Post by James Kay on Feb 8, 2017 22:10:37 GMT
Why does Detroit even do the Dallas portion of this trade? He is taking on unnecessary salary and making his team worse, thus helping Utah get a better pick this year. Why not just go directly to Utah and trade 1 pick for 2 picks? I already know the answer, and it smells like collusion... Just going to edit my post since I'm sure this thread will have a lot to it... This is going to come off very accusative, but to me it looks like you guys are trying to sneak two separate trades into one trade so one of them will not get rejected. The TC would never pass Rondo for Lawson and friends, but they might pass this trade based on Detroit's total package. The only reason Detroit is trading Rondo is because it makes the DET 2017 more enticing, thus the only reason Utah will make the move. I guess we don't have rules on this sort of thing but I think this is a very interesting trade that the TC should really think about before voting on. Eh. First, is it collusion if DET makes his pick worse thereby increasing its value? Secondly, the Harris contract is not too bad, the DJ contract is a net zero probably, and he gets a second. Rondo is seriously not worth anything except as an expiring contract at this point, so getting a 2nd rounder and two (middling?) assets of Harris and Augustin in exchange for taking a flier on Lawson (could be terrible but its only 13 million and 15 million with a TO in the final year and DET is not going to be good those years regardless. All in all, I feel like this could work out really well for all teams involved on my first impression of the trade. Edit: Just saw your edit lol, that’s a good way of putting it actually – sneaking 2 trades in 1. I’m not on the TC but I think that just makes the creativity more impressive. I think the trade should be viewed as one simultaneous move – only judge the final input/output for each team. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 8, 2017 22:22:09 GMT
I love this trade. Detroit is sorely lacking in just about anything. Rondo is getting lowered and he gets 3 assets to play around with. Those assets aren't great, but when your operating with only 12 guys on the roster what do you have to lose.
I disagree with the accusation that its going to help him lose better. Its not like Rondo is keeping him in the playoffs or anything. If anything this trade improves his teams average OVR and could actually win him more games.
He also regains control of his future. 2018 has a few really good prospects and assuming he does a legit tank next year I can see him picking up a few guys that really begin to reform his core.
Dallas also frees up a bunch of cash for next season. Like, I'm actually mad about it because I feel like he's targeting some guys I want in FA.
And Utah in my opinion is also being a good guy in this and giving Detroit's future back to him.
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Post by James Kay on Feb 8, 2017 22:28:34 GMT
I love this trade. Detroit is sorely lacking in just about anything. Rondo is getting lowered and he gets 3 assets to play around with. Those assets aren't great, but when your operating with only 12 guys on the roster what do you have to lose. I disagree with the accusation that its going to help him lose better. Its not like Rondo is keeping him in the playoffs or anything. If anything this trade improves his teams average OVR and could actually win him more games. He also regains control of his future. 2018 has a few really good prospects and assuming he does a legit tank next year I can see him picking up a few guys that really begin to reform his core. Dallas also frees up a bunch of cash for next season. Like, I'm actually mad about it because I feel like he's targeting some guys I want in FA. And Utah in my opinion is also being a good guy in this and giving Detroit's future back to him. Agreed on everything. Also wanna say that while UTA might be being ‘a good guy’ in this, I also like this move for him. Two top 7 picks in this draft, he’s sure to hit big on one of them. |
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Vlade Divac
Former Kings GM
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Post by Vlade Divac on Feb 8, 2017 22:32:31 GMT
I am going to post more later, but Adam forced me to trade Rondo before he would accept this deal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 22:49:58 GMT
Why does Detroit even do the Dallas portion of this trade? He is taking on unnecessary salary and making his team worse, thus helping Utah get a better pick this year. Why not just go directly to Utah and trade 1 pick for 2 picks? I already know the answer, and it smells like collusion... Just going to edit my post since I'm sure this thread will have a lot to it... This is going to come off very accusative, but to me it looks like you guys are trying to sneak two separate trades into one trade so one of them will not get rejected. The TC would never pass Rondo for Lawson and friends, but they might pass this trade based on Detroit's total package. The only reason Detroit is trading Rondo is because it makes the DET 2017 more enticing, thus the only reason Utah will make the move. I guess we don't have rules on this sort of thing but I think this is a very interesting trade that the TC should really think about before voting on. Because why would I trade two top 3 picks for a pick that ends up outside the top 8? He had to move Rondo to get his futures team back. No loss for him, but I need assurance. P.S. Do you even know how fucking terrible Rondo is right now? Lawson is better than Rondo in 2016-2017. Technically, Dallas is getting raped. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 8, 2017 22:52:34 GMT
I am going to post more later, but Adam forced me to trade Rondo before he would accept this deal. The fun part is that Rondo has a lower thread in. Your team will probably go on a winning streak after this deal. |
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Post by James Kay on Feb 8, 2017 22:55:09 GMT
Why does Detroit even do the Dallas portion of this trade? He is taking on unnecessary salary and making his team worse, thus helping Utah get a better pick this year. Why not just go directly to Utah and trade 1 pick for 2 picks? I already know the answer, and it smells like collusion... Just going to edit my post since I'm sure this thread will have a lot to it... This is going to come off very accusative, but to me it looks like you guys are trying to sneak two separate trades into one trade so one of them will not get rejected. The TC would never pass Rondo for Lawson and friends, but they might pass this trade based on Detroit's total package. The only reason Detroit is trading Rondo is because it makes the DET 2017 more enticing, thus the only reason Utah will make the move. I guess we don't have rules on this sort of thing but I think this is a very interesting trade that the TC should really think about before voting on. Because why would I trade two top 3 picks for a pick that ends up outside the top 8? He had to move Rondo to get his futures team back. No loss for him, but I need assurance. P.S. Do you even know how fucking terrible Rondo is right now? Lawson is better than Rondo in 2016-2017. Technically, Dallas is getting raped. DAL clears a bunch of salary, and that's especially helpful when you're playing Reggie Jackson Tyson Chandler and Will Barton almost 60 milli next year |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 22:56:24 GMT
Because why would I trade two top 3 picks for a pick that ends up outside the top 8? He had to move Rondo to get his futures team back. No loss for him, but I need assurance. P.S. Do you even know how fucking terrible Rondo is right now? Lawson is better than Rondo in 2016-2017. Technically, Dallas is getting raped. DAL clears a bunch of salary, and that's especially helpful when you're playing Reggie Jackson Tyson Chandler and Will Barton almost 60 milli next year Yeah the price of two top 5 picks is high, what can you do. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 23:03:41 GMT
Basically, I wasn't gonna do this trade with Vlade unless he traded Rondo. Of course, Vlade doesn't want to do this deal for Rondo unless he is guaranteed that he is gonna get his picks back if he trades it. So a three way trade keeps us both happy, because if this was two parts one of us could get fucked. I will say though, that I did not specify that he had to get such a shitty return for rondo  |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 8, 2017 23:03:52 GMT
I love this trade. Detroit is sorely lacking in just about anything. Rondo is getting lowered and he gets 3 assets to play around with. Those assets aren't great, but when your operating with only 12 guys on the roster what do you have to lose. I disagree with the accusation that its going to help him lose better. Its not like Rondo is keeping him in the playoffs or anything. If anything this trade improves his teams average OVR and could actually win him more games. He also regains control of his future. 2018 has a few really good prospects and assuming he does a legit tank next year I can see him picking up a few guys that really begin to reform his core. Dallas also frees up a bunch of cash for next season. Like, I'm actually mad about it because I feel like he's targeting some guys I want in FA. And Utah in my opinion is also being a good guy in this and giving Detroit's future back to him. Agreed on everything. Also wanna say that while UTA might be being ‘a good guy’ in this, I also like this move for him. Two top 7 picks in this draft, he’s sure to hit big on one of them. He's not guaranteed to hit anything. Remember when Boston had all those picks and ended up at like 3/4. Assuming the standings remain stagnant with him at 2 and Detroit at 5 he's only got a 28.7% chance at the #1 overall. Only 3% more than 1st overall. However TECHNICALLY the most likely outcome is 4th pick at 31.9% and 6th pick at 36.0% |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 8, 2017 23:46:04 GMT
Utah got raped.........
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Post by James Kay on Feb 8, 2017 23:49:59 GMT
Agreed on everything. Also wanna say that while UTA might be being ‘a good guy’ in this, I also like this move for him. Two top 7 picks in this draft, he’s sure to hit big on one of them. He's not guaranteed to hit anything. Remember when Boston had all those picks and ended up at like 3/4. Assuming the standings remain stagnant with him at 2 and Detroit at 5 he's only got a 28.7% chance at the #1 overall. Only 3% more than 1st overall. However TECHNICALLY the most likely outcome is 4th pick at 31.9% and 6th pick at 36.0% I know, I didn't mean certain. I like this draft though and think a pick anywhere in those ranges will be great |
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Post by Spike Lee on Feb 9, 2017 1:23:01 GMT
yup and he knows that I'm sure, he just wants a pick this year that badly |
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Post by Danny Longley on Feb 9, 2017 1:33:37 GMT
Mavericks Accept.
I really didn't want to give up on Lawson yet, but the Reggie Jackson trade meant that I'd have approximately 40% of my cap locked up in PGs. The cash cleared puts me at about a max contract for next year.
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Vlade Divac
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Post by Vlade Divac on Feb 9, 2017 2:46:21 GMT
I accept.
Obviously, getting two picks for one is an ideal situation for a team like mine.
As far as the deal with Dallas, I think this is a decent haul for Rondo. Like Danny, I think Lawson might be able to revitalize his career. I also think Harris, Augustine, and Lawson could each fetch me a 2nd round pick and maybe more in conjunction with my other assets.
Again, I am not that worried about cap space because who would sign with this team? Like Jeremiah said, I just need value at this point rather than worry about FA. I will have enough money to take a flier on a few prospects.
For the record, I am NOT going to tank on purpose this year, period, end of statement. Hell, I might be a playoff team in the East after all my moves.
Nice trading with you Danny and Adam, and I wish Rondo the best of luck in Dallas.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 9, 2017 3:17:27 GMT
I Accept it.
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Feb 9, 2017 3:51:02 GMT
I accept
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Post by Alex English on Feb 9, 2017 15:50:56 GMT
I'll accept.
This means the Pistons will be terrible for the next few years guaranteed. This was likely true anyway even if Vlade tanked hard this season to get a top rookie then hit the free agent market hard for a quick rebuild, so whatever. Hopefully this also means the Jazz might stop tanking after drafting two top rookies in this draft, but who knows, he did pass on Ingram and trade away Wiggins for mostly a bunch of nothing. Adam seems to prefer tanking indefinitely and scouting for these standout sleeper picks over tanking with purpose to compete again in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 16:40:52 GMT
I'll accept. This means the Pistons will be terrible for the next few years guaranteed. This was likely true anyway even if Vlade tanked hard this season to get a top rookie then hit the free agent market hard for a quick rebuild, so whatever. Hopefully this also means the Jazz might stop tanking after drafting two top rookies in this draft, but who knows, he did pass on Ingram and trade away Wiggins for mostly a bunch of nothing. Adam seems to prefer tanking indefinitely and scouting for these standout sleeper picks over tanking with purpose to compete again in the future. Last year was the year to turn pick 2 into 5 great role player prospects. This year is the year to go for the stars. 2018 and 2020 blow. |
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Post by Alex English on Feb 9, 2017 17:40:41 GMT
Last year was the year to turn pick 2 into 5 great role player prospects. This year is the year to go for the stars. 2018 and 2020 blow. 2020? That's so far away lol. You can project how high school sophomores will develop 3+ years down the road? That's amazing. The only thing I know right now about the 2020 draft class, are the two elite Canadian prospects (RJ Barrett and Andrew Nembhard), and that Lonzo Ball's little brother is in it. I'm jealous of your scouting abilities.  |
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Post by Jay Z on Feb 9, 2017 18:04:24 GMT
Last year was the year to turn pick 2 into 5 great role player prospects. This year is the year to go for the stars. 2018 and 2020 blow. 2020? That's so far away lol. You can project how high school sophomores will develop 3+ years down the road? That's amazing. The only thing I know right now about the 2020 draft class, are the two elite Canadian prospects (RJ Barrett and Andrew Nembhard), and that Lonzo Ball's little brother is in it. I'm jealous of your scouting abilities. Well you better do your homework Alex if you're going to become a perennial tanker like the rest of us. Personally, my team has been looking into eugenics, we're really excited about the 2037 prospects. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 18:09:33 GMT
Last year was the year to turn pick 2 into 5 great role player prospects. This year is the year to go for the stars. 2018 and 2020 blow. 2020? That's so far away lol. You can project how high school sophomores will develop 3+ years down the road? That's amazing. The only thing I know right now about the 2020 draft class, are the two elite Canadian prospects (RJ Barrett and Andrew Nembhard), and that Lonzo Ball's little brother is in it. I'm jealous of your scouting abilities. It is a little bit far off, but 19 had much better prospects this time last year. Of course people will emerge  . I do like Rowan and have been watching lots of Chino Hills lol 2018 is disappointing though, I'm not super excited for tanking next year. There's only hype roll players available, unless you're buying stock in very raw bigs. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 18:11:00 GMT
2020? That's so far away lol. You can project how high school sophomores will develop 3+ years down the road? That's amazing. The only thing I know right now about the 2020 draft class, are the two elite Canadian prospects (RJ Barrett and Andrew Nembhard), and that Lonzo Ball's little brother is in it. I'm jealous of your scouting abilities. Well you better do your homework Alex if you're going to become a perennial tanker like the rest of us. Personally, my team has been looking into eugenics, we're really excited about the 2037 prospects. Interesting can I see your work? Because I've built a model for prospects in 2033 2034.  this model is based off data for 2015, so except some bangladeshi prospect to take the NBA by storm in the 2033 draft! |
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Post by Danny Longley on Feb 10, 2017 16:57:09 GMT
Sooooo, are you actually going to be accepting this @riogho?
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 10, 2017 19:33:09 GMT
I take this to be @riogho accepting Basically, I wasn't gonna do this trade with Vlade unless he traded Rondo. Of course, Vlade doesn't want to do this deal for Rondo unless he is guaranteed that he is gonna get his picks back if he trades it. So a three way trade keeps us both happy, because if this was two parts one of us could get fucked. I will say though, that I did not specify that he had to get such a shitty return for rondo Trade passed. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 10, 2017 19:35:37 GMT
I really love this trade for Detroit, it sucks they mortgage this year, but they have all their 1sts back from now onwards. Great work Vlade.
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. I do like Rowan and have been watching lots of Chino Hills lol
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