Clippers - Pistons

[Vlade Divac]

Clippers Receive:
PF Kenneth Faried 80 $23,535,750/$26,124,683/$28,998,399/$32,188,223/$35,728,928(PO)
SF Matt Barnes 76 $3,000,000/$3,000,000

Total: $26,535,750

Pistons Receive:
C Andrew Bogut 77 $12,453,234/$12,932,403/$13,432,003(PO)
SF Andre Iguodala 77 $12,691,227/$12,945,788
2020 1st (Clippers)
2020 2nd (Clippers)

Total: $25,144,461

[Mike Krzyzewski]

Clippers accept.

This gets us a little younger and a possible starting PF since Monroe has been downgraded. Clearing Bogut from the roster also should open up more minutes for Dieng which we have definitely been looking to accomplish. Again, nothing major but this continues our roster shake up trying to get the right mix to climb back up those Western standings.

Welcome back Vlade!

[Jeremiah Hill]

Wow, great trade.

[Charles Barkley]

Yuck

[Vlade Divac]

I accept my first trade as GM of the Pistons.

Basically, the Clippers were the best team to take Faried because A. they want to win now B. Faried's salary does not matter to Mike because they are way way way over the cap and C. the Clippers possess many comparable contracts to give me back such as Iggy and Bogut.

This moves helps the Clippers win now while giving me a enticing pick for the future. The Clippers window should close by 2020 as Parker, Deron, Melo, David Lee, and Matt Barnes will be done while Batum, Greg Monroe, DeAndre Jordan, and Faried will at least be at the tail end of their primes. While the league may not last that long, this is a realistic move that the Pistons should make given their present position. I can probably trade Bogut and Iggy for a 2nd each, or keep them to win my propaganda war against Utah who owns my 2018 and 2020 1st.

Honestly, I think I made a "Vlade-like splash" with my first trade! I wish Faried and Barnes the best of luck with Mike and the Clippers.

[Kevin Hollis]

Jan 29, 2017 17:29:18 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Yuck

Agree

[Ian Noble]

I like this for the Clips but not so much for Detroit.

It's cool the Pistons get the Clippers 1st Rounder, but Faried has value, Bogut and Iguodala don't really have value, and you'd be stuck with them Vlade, nobody wants those guys.

Faried isn't great either but since he's the only thing of value on your roster it might be worth looking for a while longer to see if you can get more than a 1st Rounder from a historically strong team in the furthest year possible.

I'm afraid you have to expect greater scrutiny from the TC, or from me at least, since your team sucks so bad.

[Vlade Divac]

Jan 29, 2017 19:33:35 GMT Ian Noble said:

I like this for the Clips but not so much for Detroit.

It's cool the Pistons get the Clippers 1st Rounder, but Faried has value, Bogut and Iguodala don't really have value, and you'd be stuck with them Vlade, nobody wants those guys.

Faried isn't great either but since he's the only thing of value on your roster it might be worth looking for a while longer to see if you can get more than a 1st Rounder from a historically strong team in the furthest year possible.

I'm afraid you have to expect greater scrutiny from the TC, or from me at least, since your team sucks so bad.

I think you are underestimating how much the Clippers will decline by 2020.

Furthermore, it is easy to sit there and tell me what I should do, but I disagree with plenty of your premises. For one thing, "tanking" out right is not an option because I do not own all of my picks. Iggy and Bogut serve as leverage against Utah in an attempt to get my 2018 1st back.

Additionally, Adam Smith once said "the item is worth as much as the purchaser is willing to pay for it." Let me ask you this, Ian, what would be your best offer for Faried? Getting a 1st, 2nd, and two veteran players who are still productive is a pretty good haul considering Faried averages 10/8 at 27 years old while on a very hefty contract.

Regardless of what you think of this deal, I need to gamble with this team. In my opinion, this is a very very good gamble.

[Charles Barkley]

Jan 29, 2017 19:37:01 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Jan 29, 2017 19:33:35 GMT Ian Noble said:

I like this for the Clips but not so much for Detroit.

It's cool the Pistons get the Clippers 1st Rounder, but Faried has value, Bogut and Iguodala don't really have value, and you'd be stuck with them Vlade, nobody wants those guys.

Faried isn't great either but since he's the only thing of value on your roster it might be worth looking for a while longer to see if you can get more than a 1st Rounder from a historically strong team in the furthest year possible.

I'm afraid you have to expect greater scrutiny from the TC, or from me at least, since your team sucks so bad.

I think you are underestimating how much the Clippers will decline by 2020.

Furthermore, it is easy to sit there and tell me what I should do, but I disagree with plenty of your premises. For one thing, "tanking" out right is not an option because I do not own all of my picks. Iggy and Bogut serve as leverage against Utah in an attempt to get my 2018 1st back.

Additionally, Adam Smith once said "the item is worth as much as the purchaser is willing to pay for it." Let me ask you this, Ian, what would be your best offer for Faried? Getting a 1st, 2nd, and two veteran players who are still productive is a pretty good haul considering Faried averages 10/8 at 27 years old while on a very hefty contract.

Regardless of what you think of this deal, I need to gamble with this team. In my opinion, this is a very very good gamble.

Iggy and Bogut aren't leverage, man. They have both been decreased this year, and would have been decreased more if not for people wearing a cape when they shouldn't have, and their decline will be more apparent throughout the year and into next season. 

Bogut and Iggy are just going to eat at your cap, the one thing you have going for you. You could use that cap to overpay for players on the rise rather than over pay for players on their decline. 

[Vlade Divac]

Jan 29, 2017 20:32:22 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Jan 29, 2017 19:37:01 GMT Vlade Divac said:

I think you are underestimating how much the Clippers will decline by 2020.

Furthermore, it is easy to sit there and tell me what I should do, but I disagree with plenty of your premises. For one thing, "tanking" out right is not an option because I do not own all of my picks. Iggy and Bogut serve as leverage against Utah in an attempt to get my 2018 1st back.

Additionally, Adam Smith once said "the item is worth as much as the purchaser is willing to pay for it." Let me ask you this, Ian, what would be your best offer for Faried? Getting a 1st, 2nd, and two veteran players who are still productive is a pretty good haul considering Faried averages 10/8 at 27 years old while on a very hefty contract.

Regardless of what you think of this deal, I need to gamble with this team. In my opinion, this is a very very good gamble.

Iggy and Bogut aren't leverage, man. They have both been decreased this year, and would have been decreased more if not for people wearing a cape when they shouldn't have, and their decline will be more apparent throughout the year and into next season. 

Bogut and Iggy are just going to eat at your cap, the one thing you have going for you. You could use that cap to overpay for players on the rise rather than over pay for players on their decline. 

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They are leverage because they keep me from being the worst team in the league which might make Adam more willing to deal me my picks. I also think Iggy's playoff performances demonstrates that he is still a good ball player, and that those people "wearing a cape" acknowledge that fact.

Besides, I see a trade where I can get a 2nd or two anytime I want them.

[Kevin Hollis]

Jan 29, 2017 20:39:08 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Jan 29, 2017 20:32:22 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Iggy and Bogut aren't leverage, man. They have both been decreased this year, and would have been decreased more if not for people wearing a cape when they shouldn't have, and their decline will be more apparent throughout the year and into next season. 

Bogut and Iggy are just going to eat at your cap, the one thing you have going for you. You could use that cap to overpay for players on the rise rather than over pay for players on their decline. 

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They are leverage because they keep me from being the worst team in the league which might make Adam more willing to deal me my picks. I also think Iggy's playoff performances demonstrates that he is still a good ball player, and that those people "wearing a cape" acknowledge that fact.

Besides, I see a trade where I can get a 2nd or two anytime I want them.

Adam isn't dealing your picks back to you man. Best luck with that idea.

[Brian Scalabrine]

Man you guys are too harsh.

Vlade dumps Faried, who has the worst contract in the league, AND gets a 1st round pick AND gets the 2 best players in the deal in Bogut and Iggy.

This is exactly the trade the Pistons needed to make

[Vlade Divac]

Jan 29, 2017 20:46:34 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

Jan 29, 2017 20:39:08 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Adam isn't dealing your picks back to you man. Best luck with that idea.

My facebook says otherwise!

[Ian Noble]

I'm willing to accept I guess, but don't say Bogut's better than Faried when he's averaging 3ppg or something this season

[Vlade Divac]

Can we have some votes on this? I think it may end up being 6-1 or even 7-0 to accept it.

[Vlade Divac]

Jan 29, 2017 21:34:49 GMT Ian Noble said:

I'm willing to accept I guess, but don't say Bogut's better than Faried when he's averaging 3ppg or something this season

Call me Kylo Ren because I read your mind! I NEVER said Bogut was better than Faried.

[Walt Frazier]

Based on my quick math, Vlade is clearing super small amount this year, 3.2 million next year, and 15.56 million the year after that. Plus all of Faried contract for the two years after that. So I'd say to Charles, he is increasing his cap. He is shifting it this year and next year, but he already can't spend it this year, not really. I guess going after guys like Larry Sanders, but he still has about 10 million in space this season either way.

So, gains a bit of cap space next year, has a ton next year already (no way he should pick up TO's on Boozer or Beno which opens up another 10.5 mil), and gains a 1st that at least is worth watching.

I don't love it, but I seriously do not like Faried's contract for what he is bringing to the table right now.

There's an argument to be made that Vlade should wait and see if Faried gets traded IRL, but I think it will take a year or more of greatly improved production on a new team before Faried even gets close to not being a negative with his contract.

I'll Accept.

[Vlade Divac]

Jan 29, 2017 22:25:06 GMT Walt Frazier said:

There's an argument to be made that Vlade should wait and see if Faried gets traded IRL, but I think it will take a year or more of greatly improved production on a new team before Faried even gets close to not being a negative with his contract.

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I would also like to add that I was brought in because Ghanzy did not decide to rebuild fast enough. In my opinion, this team needs to find a direction quickly and stick to it.

[Alex English]

I like this for the Pistons. Faried is losing his place with the Nuggets. He's averaging a career low in playing time right now. He's still that efficient energy and hustle PF, but at 27 it's now clear he won't develop the skills he needs to be anything more than that. That makes him a 6'8" Deandre Jordan. That's a difficult role to play as an undersized PF. Getting rid of this contract is a huge move for the Pistons. That 2020 1st is also a dangerous one for the Clippers to trade away, they have an aging core and could easily fall apart and be rebuilding by then.

Accept.

[Deleted]

As the GM that will be making Detroits draft picks for him half the time for the next 4 years, I accept.

[Jeremiah Hill]

He needs to move or cut Rondo too though. If his record takes a nose dive he could get a top 3 pick out of it this season which is worth more than anything else in the trade.

[Ian Noble]

I accept. I would've held out for more for Faried personally but the deal could be worse.

[Ian Noble]

Trade passed.