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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 22, 2016 5:12:35 GMT
2015-16: 15.2 PPG
5.2 RPG
6.6 APG
48.6 EFG%
17.9 PER
-0.4 on COurt
+4.3
1.06 ORPM
0.09 DRPM
(RPM ratings 13th among SFs)
In short Tyreke has pretty good vision and rebounding but his shot selection is suspect and his finishing has gotten slowly worse, his FG% in the paint has fallen over 15 point to only 50% last year (I'd lower his inside scoring from the current 65 for sure) and had been declining for years. His defense is also nothing to write home about, I think he's even worse than the stats show. He's a good player but I don't think his current rating reflects his flaws as a player.
Current Rating: 82
Suggested Rating: 79
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Post by James Kay on Dec 22, 2016 5:22:31 GMT
Edit: rescinded
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Dec 22, 2016 12:22:34 GMT
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Dec 22, 2016 12:23:25 GMT
The guy has been hurt for Over a year and just came back playing around 10-12 minutes. I think it would be fair to wait as his stat reflection was caused by being unhealthy for the past year and a half. Essentially your argument to lower him is based off playing stats while injured. Not t mention he averaged 6.6 assists last year not 4.6.
i guess we should lower Brandon knight to a 78 too while we are at it. Knight has only 4 points more a game, 2 less rebounds, 1 less steal, worse field goal and three point percentage when comparing last year stats. This is considering Evans did pretty much play PG while Holiday was out for an extended time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 14:04:23 GMT
82 until he plays more than 15 games a season, how many games are in those stats, Brian? And who were the teammates on teh floor with him when he accumulated them  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 17:25:19 GMT
These stats are better than Wiggins' btw. I shouldn't even be arguing for this guy; I own Detroit's pick. But damn, don't sell him so short just yet. He had a career year in 2014-2015 and then was hurt for 80% of last year.
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Post by James Kay on Dec 22, 2016 17:30:27 GMT
Yeah, with consideration of his injuries brought up and the fact that he actually averaged 6.6 assists, I’m rescinding my vote. Let’s wait until he plays a little more. But idk if threatening to like open up stockwatch threads for BK is the right way to go about it lol
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Post by James Kay on Dec 22, 2016 17:31:43 GMT
These stats are better than Wiggins' btw. I shouldn't even be arguing for this guy; I own Detroit's pick. But damn, don't sell him so short just yet. He had a career year in 2014-2015 and then was hurt for 80% of last year. Reke plays for OKC not DET, FWIW |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 22, 2016 18:48:03 GMT
i guess we should lower Brandon knight to a 78 too while we are at it. Knight has only 4 points more a game, 2 less rebounds, 1 less steal, worse field goal and three point percentage when comparing last year stats. This is considering Evans did pretty much play PG while Holiday was out for an extended time. I'm not really sure why Brandon knight is relevant in this discussion, I'm not targeting your players Kevin I just genuinely think tyreke is not worthy of an 82. If you think Brandon knight is overrated then you should feel free to make a thread but they don't really play the same role given that Knight spends a lot of time off ball while tyreke almost always has the ball in his hands. My bad on the assists, running on fumes from finals still. He is a good passer, no doubt. But Tyreke was getting worse well before his injuries as his finishing inside has been dropping for 5 consecutive years, a 65 score inside is too high for him when he hasn't shot over 56 percent at the basket since 2013. His turnover percentage has also been steadily increasing for 4 consecutive years (I'm not counting the few games he's played this year though the trend is also holding) so I'd take some points off his ball handling. Also personally watching him play he's a ball stopper who pounds the ball into the ground and wastes a ton of the shot clock. Kinda of reminds me of late Celtics Rondo. I'd lower his o awareness somewhat for this. I don't think because tyreke has been injured he should keep such a high rating because he's simply not that good a player anymore, even before the injury bug. If I wasn't giving him credit for being injured I would go even lower. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 23, 2016 0:05:20 GMT
Leave him be for now.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 23, 2016 2:17:20 GMT
He's played 3 games so far. Revisit it at the all-star break. If he can't get his role back from the likes of Buddy Heild, E'twan Moore, Solomon Hill and Dante Cunningham then maybe he should be lowered significantly. I don't see that happening though.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Dec 23, 2016 5:28:20 GMT
i guess we should lower Brandon knight to a 78 too while we are at it. Knight has only 4 points more a game, 2 less rebounds, 1 less steal, worse field goal and three point percentage when comparing last year stats. This is considering Evans did pretty much play PG while Holiday was out for an extended time. I'm not really sure why Brandon knight is relevant in this discussion, I'm not targeting your players Kevin I just genuinely think tyreke is not worthy of an 82. If you think Brandon knight is overrated then you should feel free to make a thread but they don't really play the same role given that Knight spends a lot of time off ball while tyreke almost always has the ball in his hands. My bad on the assists, running on fumes from finals still. He is a good passer, no doubt. But Tyreke was getting worse well before his injuries as his finishing inside has been dropping for 5 consecutive years, a 65 score inside is too high for him when he hasn't shot over 56 percent at the basket since 2013. His turnover percentage has also been steadily increasing for 4 consecutive years (I'm not counting the few games he's played this year though the trend is also holding) so I'd take some points off his ball handling. Also personally watching him play he's a ball stopper who pounds the ball into the ground and wastes a ton of the shot clock. Kinda of reminds me of late Celtics Rondo. I'd lower his o awareness somewhat for this. I don't think because tyreke has been injured he should keep such a high rating because he's simply not that good a player anymore, even before the injury bug. If I wasn't giving him credit for being injured I would go even lower. Wrong to target, but I was trying to make a point. He has been hurt for over two years now and right before that he was increased to an 82. So it's hard to say he has been getting worse when we increased his rating right before that. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 13:23:27 GMT
In his first game back from his minutes restriction of 15 minutes per game, Tyreke just posted 16 points, 5 rebounds, and 4 assists in 18 minutes.
Maybe wait. Just a little bit?
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 31, 2016 15:05:13 GMT
In his first game back from his minutes restriction of 15 minutes per game, Tyreke just posted 16 points, 5 rebounds, and 4 assists in 18 minutes. Maybe wait. Just a little bit? He's been back since 12/15/16. This is just his best game yet. |
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Post by Alex English on Dec 31, 2016 15:24:37 GMT
Anybody remember how big of a argument D5 had over lowering Lou Williams as he was coming back from injuries a few years ago? He basically got the entire season to get back into form.
We need to give Tyreke a decent amount of time at least.
82. Leave him where he is for now.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Dec 31, 2016 16:32:27 GMT
In his first game back from his minutes restriction of 15 minutes per game, Tyreke just posted 16 points, 5 rebounds, and 4 assists in 18 minutes. Maybe wait. Just a little bit? He's been back since 12/15/16. This is just his best game yet. He meant his first game where he played more than 15 minutes due to his restriction. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 17:07:04 GMT
In his first game back from his minutes restriction of 15 minutes per game, Tyreke just posted 16 points, 5 rebounds, and 4 assists in 18 minutes. Maybe wait. Just a little bit? He's been back since 12/15/16. This is just his best game yet. It was his first time off his super strict minutes restriction. Now he is just on a regular minutes restriction. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Dec 31, 2016 17:13:58 GMT
So, he is being asked to be dropped to a 79, and people are agreeing. But you guys want to keep Rudy at an 83?
Rudy last year: 17.2 PPG, 1.4 STL, 1.7 AST, 6.5 RPG on 46.3/34.4/73 FG/3PT/FT
Tyreke last year: 15.2 PPG, 1.3 STL, 6.6 AST, 5.2 RPG on 43.3/38.8/79.6 FG/3PT/FT
Nearly 5 more APG last season, 4.4 percentage points better in 3PT, 6.6 percentage points better from the charity stripe. All for 2 less points per game, 0.1 steals per game, 1.3 rebounds per game, 3 percentage points less from the field. And Tyreke plays better defense, in my opinion.
You guys see a 4 point difference? What are you guys smoking, because please pass it to me.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Dec 31, 2016 17:16:46 GMT
Beyond what I said above, the dude has been injured most of this year. He's played 7 games. We usually don't decrease when a player has been hurt and not played that many games after his return. And basing his numbers on last season, I do not see how anyone in their right mind can rate Tyreke worse than Rudy.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 31, 2016 17:40:36 GMT
I haven't voted on a change yet. I'm not going to.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 31, 2016 19:42:52 GMT
I had an 81 but I'll change my vote to no change.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 3, 2017 5:40:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 15:36:27 GMT
Tyreke Evans turned in his best game since his knee surgery in a 104-95 win over the Nets on Thursday, scoring a season-high 29 points with four rebounds, three assists, four steals, one block and two 3-pointers.
He played a season-high 28 minutes, made all seven from the line and hit 10-of-15 from the field. After the game, Evans talked about all his work he's put in to recover from knee surgery. "I'm still trying to strengthen my knee up. It shows the hard work I'm putting in," Evans said. The minutes limit should still be there, but Evans' fantasy owners have to love this. HIs 29 points are the most scored by a Pelican not named Anthony Davis.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 13, 2017 15:47:24 GMT
Tyreke Evans turned in his best game since his knee surgery in a 104-95 win over the Nets on Thursday, scoring a season-high 29 points with four rebounds, three assists, four steals, one block and two 3-pointers. He played a season-high 28 minutes, made all seven from the line and hit 10-of-15 from the field. After the game, Evans talked about all his work he's put in to recover from knee surgery. "I'm still trying to strengthen my knee up. It shows the hard work I'm putting in," Evans said. The minutes limit should still be there, but Evans' fantasy owners have to love this. HIs 29 points are the most scored by a Pelican not named Anthony Davis. bruh, threads been closed a week |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 15:53:21 GMT
Tyreke Evans turned in his best game since his knee surgery in a 104-95 win over the Nets on Thursday, scoring a season-high 29 points with four rebounds, three assists, four steals, one block and two 3-pointers. He played a season-high 28 minutes, made all seven from the line and hit 10-of-15 from the field. After the game, Evans talked about all his work he's put in to recover from knee surgery. "I'm still trying to strengthen my knee up. It shows the hard work I'm putting in," Evans said. The minutes limit should still be there, but Evans' fantasy owners have to love this. HIs 29 points are the most scored by a Pelican not named Anthony Davis. bruh, threads been closed a week then lock it |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 13, 2017 16:43:26 GMT
I don't have that authority
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 16:48:47 GMT
I don't have that authority start a petition |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 13, 2017 16:55:12 GMT
I don't have that authority start a petition Or you know, you could just read the threads that go up. You read everything else, why wouldn't you read the one titled Imminent Rating Changes, after I posted it, or after I brought it up in Porzingas' thread? |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 13, 2017 17:35:42 GMT
Tyreke Evans turned in his best game since his knee surgery in a 104-95 win over the Nets on Thursday, scoring a season-high 29 points with four rebounds, three assists, four steals, one block and two 3-pointers. He played a season-high 28 minutes, made all seven from the line and hit 10-of-15 from the field. After the game, Evans talked about all his work he's put in to recover from knee surgery. "I'm still trying to strengthen my knee up. It shows the hard work I'm putting in," Evans said. The minutes limit should still be there, but Evans' fantasy owners have to love this. HIs 29 points are the most scored by a Pelican not named Anthony Davis. All it took was to play against a DLeague team. WTG 'Reke |
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