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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 15, 2016 4:11:49 GMT
Joe Johnson has decided to join the Toronto Raptors! He will sign the following contract:
Year 1: 10,000,000
Year 2: 11,100,000
Year 3: 12,001,000 - Player Option
Joe wants to thank the Denver Nuggets and Brooklyn Nets for their offers. In the end, Denver had only the MLE to offer, and is also in the more stacked Western Conference. He's also got Luol Deng on the team. So, while he offered Joe the starting SF spot, we felt there was clear competition there. Brooklyn had a great money offer but especially with Joe being a Ring Chaser at this point, the decision between the Nets and the Raptors became fairly straight forward once the dust settled.
Joe is looking to help take this Raptors team over the hump, and push into the NBA Finals!
Congratulations to Bryan Colangelo and the Toronto Raptors, eh!
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 15, 2016 10:33:45 GMT
Not Walts fault at all and I think this signing was handled well and Torontonis a great choice, but Joe Johnson is not and has never been a ring chaser in his career. We need to think more carefully about these arbitrary labels we assign to players in the future if they can be the deciding factor between two teams.
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Post by Brandon Roy on Jul 15, 2016 11:29:55 GMT
in real life he went to Utah which I think is not a legit contender yet but he is there to mentor I think..
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 15, 2016 12:34:10 GMT
Welcome to Toronto Joe!!!!!
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 15, 2016 12:56:22 GMT
Not Walts fault at all and I think this signing was handled well and Torontonis a great choice, but Joe Johnson is not and has never been a ring chaser in his career. We need to think more carefully about these arbitrary labels we assign to players in the future if they can be the deciding factor between two teams. Thanks Josh. I may have worded this, after a 14 hour work day, on my phone at night just before going to bed, in not a perfect way. I can't say that "Ring Chaser" was not a factor, it was. And honestly, for the most part it shaped who was even willing to offer on him, which could be the bigger problem. But, even if we take out the "Ring Chaser" label, my personal PA style would have probably sent him to Toronto. Just a better team right now. Someone Joe's age would likely accept the same starting role on the better team for relatively similar overall money. RJax, great signing! Lowry is better, at least by a little. Blake is amazing, Draymond too. MKG has his merits, and I'm not even a huge DeRozan fan, but he's better. Marreese Speights vs Al Horford. Yea. So, I think for your team to "win" Joe Johnson, Joe would have had to be a younger player and you would have had to be offering a TON more money, because I will usually pick the better team when other factors are similar or close. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 15, 2016 13:17:39 GMT
The fact that his team is better is actually my entire argument, I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that by incorrectly labeling Joe Johnson as a "ring chaser", we limited him to signing with the best team that offered him similar money. For instance, look at these two quotes: Someone Joe's age would likely accept the same starting role on the better team for relatively similar overall money. ^this fallacy comes with the "ring chaser" label. Joe Johnson has proven twice in the past few months that he would in fact not do this. When he was waived by the Nets, he had contract offers for a starting spot from both Cleveland and Miami... and he chose Miami because it was a better fit for him. Cleveland obviously was the better team and offered a better chance of winning. Then, he signs with Utah this offseason... a team that didn't even make the playoffs, and a team he might not even start on. Joe would have had to be a younger player and you would have had to be offering a TON more money, because I will usually pick the better team when other factors are similar or close. ^same thing. If he wasn't labeled as a "ring chaser", then a PA would never have this mindset with a player. Anyway, its not a big deal and he probably wouldn't have signed with me regardless, I'm just saying we need to be more careful in assigning these labels in the future when they really do have an impact on where a player will sign. We need to remember that age and ring chaser do not always go hand in hand. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 15, 2016 13:55:19 GMT
The fact that his team is better is actually my entire argument, I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that by incorrectly labeling Joe Johnson as a "ring chaser", we limited him to signing with the best team that offered him similar money. For instance, look at these two quotes: Someone Joe's age would likely accept the same starting role on the better team for relatively similar overall money. ^this fallacy comes with the "ring chaser" label. Joe Johnson has proven twice in the past few months that he would in fact not do this. When he was waived by the Nets, he had contract offers for a starting spot from both Cleveland and Miami... and he chose Miami because it was a better fit for him. Cleveland obviously was the better team and offered a better chance of winning. Then, he signs with Utah this offseason... a team that didn't even make the playoffs, and a team he might not even start on. Joe would have had to be a younger player and you would have had to be offering a TON more money, because I will usually pick the better team when other factors are similar or close. ^same thing. If he wasn't labeled as a "ring chaser", then a PA would never have this mindset with a player. Anyway, its not a big deal and he probably wouldn't have signed with me regardless, I'm just saying we need to be more careful in assigning these labels in the future when they really do have an impact on where a player will sign. We need to remember that age and ring chaser do not always go hand in hand. I agree with your overall sentiment, really. I was trying to say my personal PA style, I probably would choose the better team in most cases. Joe's Utah signing is a screwball though, but do we know that perhaps just no one really wanted him anymore? But in D5, he's still got a good rating and thus attracted by better teams? Until we can personally interview real NBA players, we're going to have some problems, basically. We should always try to do better though, agreed. |
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