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Post by JR Wiles on Jun 27, 2016 19:35:54 GMT
Orlando Magic Trade:
77 Jonas Valanciunas $4,660,482 $6,179,799
78 M. Carter-Williams $2,215,200 $2,296,047 $2,360,724
68 Archie Goodwin $1,043,700 $1,056,730 $1,079,262
2017#2 Indiana Pacers
Total Salary Traded: $7,919,382
Salary Before $28,096,120
Salary After $36,015,502
---------------------+/-$7,919,382
San Antonio Spurs Trade:
2016 #1 (#8 Draft Pick)
2019 #1 San Antonio Spurs
Total Salary Traded: $0
Salary Before $34,952,069
Salary After $42,871,45
As GM of the Spurs we accept. We make this trade so that we have talented depth to go along with Isaiah Thomas and Evan Turner. With the unknown of free agency we made the move to make sure our roster is positioned to sign multiple FAs @ multiple positions.
Our main goal is to resign our own FAs. We are hoping with the current trade that our FAs and other FAs see our team and organization as a top destination.
We were looking to draft front court players in the draft and with this trade we get Jonas and MCW and Goodwin.
The future is bright...
Ps. I know his pick and i will post that here shortly. I have to pick up my son from basketball and ill be back.
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Post by James Kay on Jun 27, 2016 19:38:11 GMT
JR aren't you trying to resign Reggie Jackson? Why are you getting ANOTHER PG?
Value wise this trade is whatever but I'm just confused by that.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 27, 2016 19:42:30 GMT
JR aren't you trying to resign Reggie Jackson? Why are you getting ANOTHER PG? Value wise this trade is whatever but I'm just confused by that. Just like in the real NBA there are teams looking for serviceable PGs on good contracts in D5. |
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Post by James Kay on Jun 27, 2016 19:46:45 GMT
JR aren't you trying to resign Reggie Jackson? Why are you getting ANOTHER PG? Value wise this trade is whatever but I'm just confused by that. Just like in the real NBA there are teams looking for serviceable PGs on good contracts in D5. Meaning what exactly |
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Post by James Kay on Jun 27, 2016 19:49:58 GMT
ps I'm not judging the trade, just asking a question, that's all
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Post by Alex English on Jun 27, 2016 20:01:43 GMT
I love this trade for the Spurs. Valanciunas is a great pick up and he needs a 3-4 point rating boost. MCW isn't really starting quality imo, but he's a great back up for Isaiah Thomas. Reggie Jackson is very likely gone, and I think that should have been obvious for a while. IT is already there with a long term contract.
Adding Valanciunas should really help keep Millsap though. If they manage to re-sign him, they have a good shot at making the playoffs.
For Orlando, I'm not sure they get enough value back, it all depends on what that 2019 pick ends up being. I understand the trade though, Gobert and Valanciunas makes no sense on the same team. I assume they'll pick up Marquese Chriss. That give a nice core of Dunn, Harris, Chriss and Gobert. Plus a good shot at re-signing Fournier to start at SG, and Schroeder as potential trade bait.
I accept.
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Post by James Kay on Jun 27, 2016 20:21:08 GMT
. Reggie Jackson is very likely gone, and I think that should have been obvious for a while. No, JR has said time after time that Reggie is the franchise guy and that he will not leave. Why would JR make a move that would jeopardize a player that was promised to be and repeatedly and publicly labeled franchise guy? You must be mistaken, Alex. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 27, 2016 20:33:35 GMT
. Reggie Jackson is very likely gone, and I think that should have been obvious for a while. No, JR has said time after time that Reggie is the franchise guy and that he will not leave. Why would JR make a move that would jeopardize a player that was promised to be and repeatedly and publicly labeled franchise guy? You must be mistaken, Alex. It's like me with Kevin Durant |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 20:37:06 GMT
I accept
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 27, 2016 20:41:35 GMT
That was pretty much my reasoning, Alex. I had Val and Gobert both on my team and I realized I would be keeping Val hoping he would re-sign, but with Gobert and Mozgov I realized it would be unlikely. Now I've turned him and MCW into Chriss, who is a gamble, but a guy I like at 8. I also get a future first that we'll have to wait three years to see what becomes of, I like that pick in this.
I view it as an unlikely to re-sign Val, my now third string point guard MCW, and Goodwin, who I like but see as expendable for this, plus a second from another team in a year where I have several seconds for a young guy on a nice contract with plenty of potential and a future pick that could be literally anything, making it exciting to follow everything lol.
I accept. It was nice working with JR.
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Post by JR Wiles on Jun 27, 2016 20:44:27 GMT
The Spurs are not jeopardizing anything. If Reggie and his player agent does not understand that we are building to win, then they obviously see how committed we are now to winning. Thats for the gm to decide anyways. Thomas and Reggie are our future guys. Thomas is locked up and Reggie is a free agent. We can offer him the max and he could still decide to sign elsewhere. This is where having RFA status would stop the questions. Before this trade we had IT2 and Turner. We are looked at by few as a tier 3 team. Thats a joke. We made this move to bring in 3 legit nba players..not one FA that Would not help immediately. Nothing is guaranteed in FA. Jonas himself was worth the pick. We get 3 quality players. We personally feel that this trade will help bring in the FAs we need to fill the remaining holes. Doing so we look forward to getting back into the playoffs!!!
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Post by James Kay on Jun 27, 2016 20:52:07 GMT
Two first rounders for Vala and MCW.
I like Vala, and I think most people do as well. But the Spurs will not get his BRs.
Also, I just don't get how you can act committed to Reggie Jackson and expect him to re-sign with you when you get another PG. Sure you can say that he is your franchise guy, but you have to back that up when building your roster.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 27, 2016 20:56:53 GMT
If the Spurs obtained BRs on Valanciunas I would accept, but here they are, moments away from finally making a draft pick, trading their only draft pick since the start of D5 and trading away another later on down the line.
I reject. Bring on the abuse.
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Post by JR Wiles on Jun 27, 2016 21:00:47 GMT
Teams bring in extra players at positions.
If you or other gms want to put it out there so that he signd elsewhere ok what can i do about it. We make out team the best it can be. Teams do what the must. Just like OKC did with Durant. Its looked at several ways. We have a better group moving into FA. Not making this trade we were less likely to sign FAs. We want the best here and even though we bring in extra players at the same position it does not mean we want Jackson or Millsap less. There are 15 spots. Thats an avg of 3 per position. If we want 5 pgs so be it. Opinions are just that. We are an organization that wants to win and next season we will have improved. FACT
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 27, 2016 21:03:56 GMT
If the Spurs obtained BRs on Valanciunas I would accept, but here they are, moments away from finally making a draft pick, trading their only draft pick since the start of D5 and trading away another later on down the line. I reject. Bring on the abuse. Attachments:
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Post by JR Wiles on Jun 27, 2016 21:05:13 GMT
Haha. Do what you want guys. Accept trades of the group and deny my trade just because i get a better group moving forward. If i dont want to draft i dont have too. If i have too ill denounce the pick and not choose anyone anyhow. My team my choice.
Its sad a gm cant run his team even when it gets better!!
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Post by JR Wiles on Jun 27, 2016 21:10:26 GMT
Isaiah Thomas
Jonas Valanciunas
Michael Carter Williams
Archie Goodwin
Evan Turner
Gerald Green
Nik Stauskas
Garrett Temple
Anthony Bennette
Tyler Zeller
And Free Agency
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Post by JR Wiles on Jun 27, 2016 21:12:52 GMT
JR - throw in that Bynum contract and you'll be able to make this happen using current salaries, and get Vala's BRs. Bird rights in a game where players are unpredictable and new quality players emerge. Im not trading my FA cap from Bynum retiring. Thats the issue guys dont like that we have money for FA as well. Get over it!! Not happening. |
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Post by Alex English on Jun 27, 2016 21:21:32 GMT
JR I'm trying to be patient with you, but cmon man. This won't affect your cap. Bynum is expiring. Including Bynum achieves ONLY one thing - gets you Vala's Bird rights. Why would you not want them?? You will still have as much cap space You can't trade expiring contracts anymore. JV has 2 years including this year, so he wouldn't get Bird rights anyway. |
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Post by James Kay on Jun 27, 2016 21:26:03 GMT
JR I'm trying to be patient with you, but cmon man. This won't affect your cap. Bynum is expiring. Including Bynum achieves ONLY one thing - gets you Vala's Bird rights. Why would you not want them?? You will still have as much cap space You can't trade expiring contracts anymore. JV has 2 years including this year, so he wouldn't get Bird rights anyway. Lol ignore me then.... Idk what I was thinking about trading the expiring contracts .... I also got confused bc JR posted this years salaries despite the trade being illegal for this year soo I assumed Vala had a third year |
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Post by JR Wiles on Jun 27, 2016 21:26:30 GMT
JR I'm trying to be patient with you, but cmon man. This won't affect your cap. Bynum is expiring. Including Bynum achieves ONLY one thing - gets you Vala's Bird rights. Why would you not want them?? You will still have as much cap space You can't trade expiring contracts anymore. JV has 2 years including this year, so he wouldn't get Bird rights anyway. Thanks!! |
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Post by James Kay on Jun 27, 2016 21:26:50 GMT
Not getting bird rights in valacunias is absurd then. Idg how you voted pass Alex, trading 2 first rounders for non BR valacunias and MCW...
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 27, 2016 21:32:54 GMT
Not getting bird rights in valacunias is absurd then. Idg how you voted pass Alex, trading 2 first rounders for non BR valacunias and MCW... He gets MCW and Goodwin BRs and a good second in next year's supposedly good draft. I've seen much worse deals than this pass, but that happens. I just don't see the rejectable part of this trade, I take a huge risk in the deal whereas JR gets pieces that have probably more value than Chriss, who has never played a game in the league. |
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Post by JR Wiles on Jun 27, 2016 21:34:20 GMT
Ill fix that. Sorry. At leadt i habe salaries unlike some trades that were put in.
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Post by JR Wiles on Jun 27, 2016 21:37:21 GMT
Gues it is screwed up then.you guys stress me the fuck out. Worry about your own damn teams.
How fucking long do i have to pick? Ill do what you crybabies want as always. I swear!!
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 27, 2016 21:49:50 GMT
It's all good Jr, just because people are giving their opinions on an open forum doesn't mean you should get mad. I understand your frustration, but this league doesn't work if no one gives their opinion regardless of how others take it.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 27, 2016 22:01:05 GMT
Not getting bird rights in valacunias is absurd then. Idg how you voted pass Alex, trading 2 first rounders for non BR valacunias and MCW... What are the odds the 8th pick turns into someone better than Valanciunas? People go a little crazy over the idea of a 1st round pick, but draft picks turn into players and most don't become anything other that totally mediocre. Here is a list of the last ten 8th overall picks: 2015 - Stanley Johnson 2014 - Nik Stauskas 2013 - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope 2012 - Terrence Ross 2011 - Brandon Knight 2010 - Al-Farouq Aminu 2009 - Jordan Hill 2008 - Joe Alexander 2007 - Brandan Wright 2006 - Rudy Gay Is a single one of those guys better than Jonas Valanciunas? Maybe Rudy Gay, but I think only because JV is still young, by the time he retires I think Jonas will be better than every single one of those guys. Now I really like Marquese Chriss and all, great prospect, but you could say the same of all those guys listed above at one point in time. I'd rather have Jonas Valanciunas, even though you have to re-sign him. Then there is the whole issue over San Antonio and draft picks. The league, perhaps rightly, is extra sensitive to the Spurs trading draft picks, but not entirely rightly imo. We get a little bit of a knee jerk reaction over JR trading draft picks. Lets look at where the Spurs will be after this, they'll have Isaiah Thomas, Jonas Valanciunas, Evan Turner, some decent young role players in Stauskas and Zeller and $50 million in cap space. If they're able to re-sign Paul Millsap then they're a bubble playoff team, after which they'd still have tens of millions to sign another big player and round out the roster. There are better free agent destinations than San Antonio, but they're in a pretty decent spot in my opinion. Many other teams are struggling more than them. So I really don't have an issue with this trade. JR has the issue of re-signing Valanciunas and Blake has the issue that Chriss might be a bust. |
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