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[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Jun 24, 2016 15:29:53 GMT James Kay said:

Jun 24, 2016 15:20:59 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

I never said you are crumbling a franchise or you should be put on the end of the of the line for every FA. I am only pointing out that if this is in real life, this trade will affect your image as a GM and the PAs should try to simulate it. 




Plus, these are the factors FAs will consider, as per the rules of D5:
1. Money Offered (Player Agents will work to keep salaries realistic, but it doesn't hurt to show you're committed)
2. Playing time.
3. The chances of success with your team (playoff/championship calibre)
4. How much dedication you have shown to the player.
5. The perceived effort you put into making an offer.
6. A player's perceived real-life personality traits.
7. Whether your team is a "big market" team, or a team with "prestige" or history.

1 – I’ll be offering the max. 2 – A starting role 3-Coming off a championship 4-Just traded Wiggins to make cap space for this player.

Maybe this will factor in under 6 or 7? But those are the lowest priorities in what the rules dictate that FAs will consider, and my offer will be the strongest out there for 1-5.

I read the guide twice, I think that is not an order of priority. Am I right, Ian Noble ?

[Kevin Hollis]

Is this exchange all over LeBron James? If so, he is going to San Antonio where his side piece lives.

[James Kay]

Jun 24, 2016 15:59:41 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

Is this exchange all over LeBron James? If so, he is going to San Antonio where his side piece lives.

LEBRON IS A FATHER OF THREE CHILDREN YOU CANNOT TALK TO HIM LIKE THAT

[James Kay]

Walt Frazier Bryan Colangelo waiting on your votes

[Walt Frazier]

It's quite risky for James. Before this trade, Westbrook re-signing feels like a shoe-in. After this trade, it puts even that in at least some question. I imagine he comes back, knowing that there is even more cap space and, with him on the team, it's definitely interesting. But, it does put the risk of signing a SF on the team plus the risk of Westbrook possibly leaving now as well.

But, James is aware, he's proven he's not going to leave if things go poorly, he's a big boy.

I'll accept.

[James Kay]

Jun 24, 2016 17:01:28 GMT Walt Frazier said:

It's quite risky for James. Before this trade, Westbrook re-signing feels like a shoe-in. After this trade, it puts even that in at least some question. I imagine he comes back, knowing that there is even more cap space and, with him on the team, it's definitely interesting. But, it does put the risk of signing a SF on the team plus the risk of Westbrook possibly leaving now as well.

But, James is aware, he's proven he's not going to leave if things go poorly, he's a big boy.

I'll accept.

3 accepts, trade passed.

But, I gotta say, while this certainly stirs the pot for our team, I don’t think there’s any doubt Westbrook will return. The Wiggins for Ingram trade is a lateral move, at worst, in my opinion. Ingram will have a slightly cheaper salary, and we will have him under contract for longer. He’s 3 years younger than Wiggins. More of a project, but I think his shooting and length gives him an even greater potential than Wiggins. Then, we cleared enough for 25 million in cap space. This is the same team that just won a championship, PLUS 25 million in cap space ? The future looks even better – Westbrook will stay.

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wiggins was a big reason your team won the championship tho

[Deleted]

This is like if Cleveland needed to resign james this year and they traded kyrie for pick 2 but without the hometown thing

[Kevin Hollis]

Jun 24, 2016 17:10:13 GMT @riogho said:

This is like if Cleveland needed to resign james this year and they traded kyrie for pick 2 but without the hometown thing

Don't agree with Adam much at all, but Wiggins was essentially the mvp of the finals if you ask me. Whoever he was one didn't score and his fg% was crazy. I would bet it was close to 65%.

[Chris Mullin]

But you also have to take into consideration that Westbrook was traded to your team, grew up and went to college in Los Angeles, and has never played in the East in real life.

[James Kay]

Jun 24, 2016 17:10:13 GMT @riogho said:

This is like if Cleveland needed to resign james this year and they traded kyrie for pick 2 but without the hometown thing

Yeah its not at all like that. Kyrie and Lebron shared basically equal loads in the Finals. My team is much more well rounded AND is looking to add someone else with this move. Cavs have no cap space.

[James Kay]

Jun 24, 2016 17:15:15 GMT Chris Mullin said:

But you also have to take into consideration that Westbrook was traded to your team, grew up and went to college in Los Angeles, and has never played in the East in real life.

Westbrook won the Championship. Lebron got eliminated in the 2nd round.

[Chris Mullin]

Jun 24, 2016 17:18:01 GMT James Kay said:

Jun 24, 2016 17:15:15 GMT Chris Mullin said:

But you also have to take into consideration that Westbrook was traded to your team, grew up and went to college in Los Angeles, and has never played in the East in real life.

Westbrook won the Championship. Lebron got eliminated in the 2nd round.

*Conference Finals. Dont sell us short!

[James Kay]

Jun 24, 2016 17:18:51 GMT Chris Mullin said:

Jun 24, 2016 17:18:01 GMT James Kay said:

Westbrook won the Championship. Lebron got eliminated in the 2nd round.

*Conference Finals. Dont sell us short!

You’re completely right, my mistake lol I was thinking of Denver. Jeez, the West is so stacked

[Jeremiah Hill]

Jun 24, 2016 17:15:15 GMT Chris Mullin said:

But you also have to take into consideration that Westbrook was traded to your team, grew up and went to college in Los Angeles, and has never played in the East in real life.

Yeah and like your team, he also made efforts to clear space so he could resign him cough cough cough Alex English cough.

[Chris Mullin]

Jun 24, 2016 17:19:55 GMT James Kay said:

Jun 24, 2016 17:18:51 GMT Chris Mullin said:

*Conference Finals. Dont sell us short!

You’re completely right, my mistake lol I was thinking of Denver. Jeez, the West is so stacked

This is actually a misconception. The East has won 3/5 championships in D5 and had the Bucks and Bulls stayed healthy the East would have had at least 5 really strong teams this season. Think a lot of people are forgetting about what happened to Milwaukee this year and how good their roster is. The West has a more depth towards the bottom but the top teams in the East are as good as the top teams in the West. Orlando and Boston are 2 up and coming teams with a lot of young talent out East too.

Don't sell your conference short, the East is pretty tough!

[Danny Longley]

I don't like it, wouldn't do it myself, but I definitely understand why James feels the need to do it. I'm pretty there's more value that could've been squeezed out of Wiggins, but I don't hate it enough to reject.

Accept.

[Brian Scalabrine]

Wow don't like this trade for James but I could be wrong. Makes the off season 10 times more interesting!

[Jeremiah Hill]

I shit talked this trade a lot but I do like it for James.

[JR Wiles]

Honestly you won the Championship and I congrat you on that. Honestly though I would have never seen you winning it all this season. Your in a small market, and you won because you play in a weak conference. Westbrook could leave. He is a top 5 player in the league. He got his ring, but you just blew up your team and future for a risk player with no guarantees. You risk him resigning when you wont have Wiggins or THE FA you are talking about. There is no guarantee. Can you guarantee to Westbrook or that FA that either will be there 100%? Thats a NO. Not only that you have traded a pick in a decent draft. 1- You may be able to give Max Money, but several teams will be able to do the same!(FAIL).2-Any big name FA will get PLAYING TIME. I dont see any GM offering Max money to a bench guy.3-The East will be better next season. Thats a fact. Between a higher cap and growth and guys knowing they can go to the East and have a great shot at the ultimate goal. You guys won during a weak year in the East. Milwaukee and several other teams wont be injured. And most likely, the GODS will not bring as much Luck to your team and who you will have to matchup against in the playoffs. First you will have to get back to the playoffs. Nothing is guaranteed. And once again luck and a team with no Westbrook or Wiggins is not a team I would want to go to. Yes you won but outway the risks.4- I am sure you think doing this, it will show how dedicated you are. Honestly we are ALL dedicated or we would not be here. And during FA, teams will offer FAs max money tp sign just as you will. Talk is cheap. Sign Westbrook and show me Simmons or Ingram can def contribute now. Show you have those guys and then jusy maybe the FA you think is guaranteed will sign 100%. So far 1-4 is just as even with you and other teams going forward if you ask me. Im sure others feel strong about it as well. For their own reasons as well. Dont think we all dont have what youdo, except for this seasons trophy. It may have just as well been a one season fluke. Even more so with the trade already accepted by both gms and feelings are out on all sides.5- Effort- I think we all make the effort. Effort is not money though. Effort is not a guaranteed roster since your FA Your going for may not sign. Your second best FA may not sign. And knowing all this and breaking up your championship team in a week conference.. WESTBROOK may not resign!! No guarantees!!6- And we dont know your FA. We dont know his agent. If its Lebron..we know he goes with at least a few other star players. And money talks. If its someone else ok...but until Westbrook resigns nothing even matters. This is the least of importance at the given time. 7- Your team is in a small market. You may have won It..but next season is a new beginning. Nothings guaranteed. Your teams history and its lone championship, with the East getting better and teams being healthy...these last 2 FA signing guidelines are not as much of importance.

I like the move and somewhat I dont. You get a top 2 guy in the draft. Until he plays though I would never have broken up my CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM THOUGH. I get it you could have sit still and still lost. But your a CHAMPION. EACH PLAYER ON THAT TEAN. Westbrook would have known though that with this team..you won something he has never done before now. But you made a bold move and if accepted nothing is guaranteed. You shouldnt automatically get a star FA. Westbrook better think about if he can win..with the unknown and the bold trade above. It shows even if a player helps win a championship with you as GM...that they are not safe. They could be traded. Star or not. They may get traded mid season. Kids may have to leave friends. Honestly you could have done this differently. But now your championship team is not a team. Right now Westbrook and Simmons or Ingram are not on the team. And even after the draft...those guys are not NBA ready. Not CHAMPION ready. In a stronger conference.

I could go on. Bold move with high risk. Will it be a high reward though or a bad move until after we see guys play and FAs signed. I see this being a move that sets you back some. Especially if Westbrook leaves or you dont get a FA that plays well within your other players and within the chemistry. Its a high risk you should not be rewarded for. I hope the FAs and Westbrook sees it. Its not hidden or blinded. Its all up in the air. You may have a plan but you did all this with no guarantee. With a group of champions you dont trade your future all-star this way though. It goes to show that you want to win but your willing to trade anyone..and i mean anyone to do it.

Your very good at talking and preparing your conversations. I know you will counter my thoughts. I though speak from my heart and for the league and players. Not to get over on you. So make sure you answer to all this with your heart and not only mind. Its done and the future is just that now. Wishing you the best. I can almost guarantee with the current roster without Westbrook or the perfect FA that you will most likely not be Champion again next season or even get that far. You would need lots of luck and things to go your way as it did this season but even more!!

Sincerely,

SA SPURS GM-JR Wiles

[James Kay]

Jun 24, 2016 18:40:12 GMT JR Wiles said:

Damn JR. For real, you make some good points. But like you said, the East is getting stronger. Yes, I won the championship. But all of your points about the East getting stronger and Westbrook not returning still stand – perhaps even stronger – if I did nothing and just rested on my laurels, maintaining my team’s status quo. If I came back next year with the same exact lineup, who knows what happens. I’m looking to make my team even stronger. We were an underdog for the championship this year, and we pulled it off – proving that the supporting cast around Westbrook is championship material. This upcoming year, with the addition of a max free agent plus Ingram, we will be the heavy favorites. Westbrook will never leave – this move makes the team stronger.

[JR Wiles]

Jun 24, 2016 18:48:09 GMT James Kay said:

Jun 24, 2016 18:40:12 GMT JR Wiles said:

Damn JR. For real, you make some good points. But like you said, the East is getting stronger. Yes, I won the championship. But all of your points about the East getting stronger and Westbrook not returning still stand – perhaps even stronger – if I did nothing and just rested on my laurels, maintaining my team’s status quo. If I came back next year with the same exact lineup, who knows what happens. I’m looking to make my team even stronger. We were an underdog for the championship this year, and we pulled it off – proving that the supporting cast around Westbrook is championship material. This upcoming year, with the addition of a max free agent plus Ingram, we will be the heavy favorites. Westbrook will never leave – this move makes the team stronger.

Never say never. Good luck bro. Im out. Said what i wanted
...best of luck.

[Kevin Hollis]

Jun 24, 2016 18:48:09 GMT James Kay said:

Jun 24, 2016 18:40:12 GMT JR Wiles said:

Damn JR. For real, you make some good points. But like you said, the East is getting stronger. Yes, I won the championship. But all of your points about the East getting stronger and Westbrook not returning still stand – perhaps even stronger – if I did nothing and just rested on my laurels, maintaining my team’s status quo. If I came back next year with the same exact lineup, who knows what happens. I’m looking to make my team even stronger. We were an underdog for the championship this year, and we pulled it off – proving that the supporting cast around Westbrook is championship material. This upcoming year, with the addition of a max free agent plus Ingram, we will be the heavy favorites. Westbrook will never leave – this move makes the team stronger.

Absolutely LeBron James signs with Golden State and Westbrook goes to The Cavs. Why? Because I said absolutely.

[Kevin Hollis]

I think I am literally one of the only people who doesn't like Westbrook. He is an athletic freak, no doubt, but I don't like him as a player. His shot is getting better, I will give him that, but I think his sub par skills are covered up by his athleticism.

[James Kay]

Jun 24, 2016 19:12:26 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

I think I am literally one of the only people who doesn't like Westbrook. He is an athletic freak, no doubt, but I don't like him as a player. His shot is getting better, I will give him that, but I think his sub par skills are covered up by his athleticism.

Guys Kevin just wants to try and sign Westbrook

[Kevin Hollis]

Jun 24, 2016 19:15:42 GMT James Kay said:

Jun 24, 2016 19:12:26 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

I think I am literally one of the only people who doesn't like Westbrook. He is an athletic freak, no doubt, but I don't like him as a player. His shot is getting better, I will give him that, but I think his sub par skills are covered up by his athleticism.

Guys Kevin just wants to try and sign Westbrook

Your mom goes to college.

[Ian Noble]

Jun 24, 2016 15:34:33 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

Jun 24, 2016 15:29:53 GMT James Kay said:

I read the guide twice, I think that is not an order of priority. Am I right, Ian Noble ?

When I wrote that list it was with priority in mind, but Player Agents work with the entire package obviously, they use their own initiative.

[Spike Lee]

This is a great trade and one I could totally see happening irl. I mean this trade is much closer in value to compared to the Ibaka trade we saw last night. Utah gets a better player, but charlotte gains the chance to get even better.

This move allows both teams to achieve their goals, and it's a really cool trade.

Sincerely,

NYK GM- SPIKE LEE

(am i doing it right?)

[JR Wiles]

When was the last time a CHAMPIONSHIP team who just won, traded one of their top two stars for a future unknown draft pick and at the same time saving $50+ million in cap space, and it works out to where they get a big name FA they were after, with their team broken apart with their All Star not resigned? Any GM that sees this as a deal that would ever happen in real life, has lost all hopes of reality and treat this league as what it really is...A simulation league. This trade would never happen IRL! I understand who James Kay is, but free agency and signing Westbrook does not look good moving forward. If you read my post earlier I am pretty sure I said most of it. Taking a step back for the next season or two is more of a reality with this trade and moving forward. Wishing him the best, but I know as a basketball fan and player...reality was broken and the future of this team as well.

[James Kay]

Jun 25, 2016 1:59:32 GMT JR Wiles said:

jr.... Just no.