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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 8, 2016 22:30:33 GMT
Giannis is currently in the Rating's Committee to be increased from a 77 to an 81.
We have yet to touch him or look at his rating.
I, for one, think he is deserving of a higher rating than an 81. The thread was made nearly 2 months ago, and Giannis has gone off in those 2 months and turned in to a monster.
Here's a look at his season thus far:
G GS MP FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS
62 61 35.3 6.2 12.4 .498 0.3 1.2 .216 3.7 5.0 .751 1.5 6.2 7.6 3.6 1.2 1.3 2.5 16.4
2PM-A 2P% eFG%
5.9 11.2 .528 .508
Those a great numbers for a guy of his age in his third season. Not many players are averaging a block and a steal a game.
Not to mention the shooting numbers, yeah he doesn't shoot the three well, but he also doesn't shoot the three a lot. Here's his vorped data.
He's shooting 57% on shots in the paint, and he is smart at taking them, he shoots 69% of his shots inside the paint, which is a lot for a small forward and the role on his team.
His last ten games are just crazy numbers.
FG% RPG APG BLK STL PTS
.471 10.3 7.8 2.0 1.9 19.1
Those are Oscar numbers. So what is different? Well, when the Bucks played the Lakers, Kobe had a talk with Giannis, about how he can be great if he just maintains his focus and works hard. And since, he has had 3 triple doubles, in his last 8 games.
His numbers have gone way way up since the beginning of January, when his thread was first posted.
Here is a comparison, tell me who this player is:
G MPG FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL TOV PTS
64 31.8 6.2-12.8 .479 1.0-3.0 .349 3.2-3.9 .802 1.3 5.9 7.2 2.5 0.8 2.3 2.0 16.5
The player above was suggested as an 86.
I'll be generous, and suggest an 85 for Giannis.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 8, 2016 22:33:23 GMT
I'll also say this, since the All-Star break, and really since MCW went down, they've been starting Mayo at the Point Guard. Which leaves the team without a true PG on the floor.
The birth of the Point Freak. Giannis has been playing the point a lot more, along with Middleton.
Jabari made his first 3 of the season LAST WEEK. The team he plays on is just not good for him. There's 1 good shooter on the floor, Middleton. The paint is clogged.
Yet Giannis is still getting his, and getting his buckets.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Mar 8, 2016 22:46:15 GMT
I'll also say this, since the All-Star break, and really since MCW went down, they've been starting Mayo at the Point Guard. Which leaves the team without a true PG on the floor. The birth of the Point Freak. Giannis has been playing the point a lot more, along with Middleton. Jabari made his first 3 of the season LAST WEEK. The team he plays on is just not good for him. There's 1 good shooter on the floor, Middleton. The paint is clogged. Yet Giannis is still getting his, and getting his buckets. He was playing point guard (on offense) before MCW went down. Two main factors play into this. Giannis was a point guard in Greece, so the natural progression has come easier for him, even with the added height. He also got the go-ahead from Kidd to actually bring the ball up the floor and initiate the offense. It's taken awhile, but Kidd has finally unchained his young forwards by letting them be the main focus on offense instead of letting them sit in the corners and letting MCW pound the air out of the ball or or letting Monroe be a black hole in the post. I think he could get an 84 easily and from there, see how he comes back after the off-season and if he's still running the offense and putting up big numbers or if this was just an experiment to end a disappointing season. My guess is he'll stay the main facilitator going forward. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 3:49:15 GMT
82
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 9, 2016 9:16:28 GMT
82
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 9, 2016 16:38:49 GMT
83
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Post by Alex English on Mar 9, 2016 19:08:48 GMT
82. He still can't shoot threes, but the rest of his game is coming together.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 9, 2016 19:45:00 GMT
82. He still can't shoot threes, but the rest of his game is coming together. Is it necessary for a player to shoot the 3 tho? It isn't like he is taking tons of three's, he takes ~10% of his shots from there, basically the open look. I understand it though rating wise. JW if in your opinion a player NEEDS to be able to shoot it from 3 nowadays, because I don't. You need 3 point shooters on a team, but there's a lot of great players who suck at the 3 and they take it way to much. cough *lebron* cough |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 9, 2016 19:45:24 GMT
Ian Noble can I put your 85 in here that u threw in the trash 2 days ago?
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 9, 2016 19:46:05 GMT
BTW since no one asked, that player in the opening post is Kawhi last season...
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Post by Alex English on Mar 9, 2016 22:00:14 GMT
Is it necessary for a player to shoot the 3 tho? It isn't like he is taking tons of three's, he takes ~10% of his shots from there, basically the open look. I understand it though rating wise. JW if in your opinion a player NEEDS to be able to shoot it from 3 nowadays, because I don't. You need 3 point shooters on a team, but there's a lot of great players who suck at the 3 and they take it way to much. cough *lebron* cough Yea I think it's necessary for non post players to be able to shoot threes at least at a 30% rate. They have to be enough of a threat to spread the defense. Plus since you get the extra point, it's usually better for good shooters to shoot threes than to try and create anything else. It's one of the most efficient ways to put up points. |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Mar 9, 2016 22:52:42 GMT
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Mar 9, 2016 22:55:42 GMT
Is it necessary for a player to shoot the 3 tho? It isn't like he is taking tons of three's, he takes ~10% of his shots from there, basically the open look. I understand it though rating wise. JW if in your opinion a player NEEDS to be able to shoot it from 3 nowadays, because I don't. You need 3 point shooters on a team, but there's a lot of great players who suck at the 3 and they take it way to much. cough *lebron* cough Yea I think it's necessary for non post players to be able to shoot threes at least at a 30% rate. They have to be enough of a threat to spread the defense. Plus since you get the extra point, it's usually better for good shooters to shoot threes than to try and create anything else. It's one of the most efficient ways to put up points. Jason Kidd has also put a mandate on Parker and Giannis this year not to shoot three's. So not sure how that factors into all of this. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Mar 10, 2016 3:56:41 GMT
Is it necessary for a player to shoot the 3 tho? It isn't like he is taking tons of three's, he takes ~10% of his shots from there, basically the open look. I understand it though rating wise. JW if in your opinion a player NEEDS to be able to shoot it from 3 nowadays, because I don't. You need 3 point shooters on a team, but there's a lot of great players who suck at the 3 and they take it way to much. cough *lebron* cough Yea I think it's necessary for non post players to be able to shoot threes at least at a 30% rate. They have to be enough of a threat to spread the defense. Plus since you get the extra point, it's usually better for good shooters to shoot threes than to try and create anything else. It's one of the most efficient ways to put up points. What about Wade then? |
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Post by Alex English on Mar 10, 2016 6:12:49 GMT
Well there are always guys so good at other things that they become exceptions. I bet you it costs Wade a couple years in the NBA though at the end of his career. Like imagine Manu Ginobili now, but he shoots 27% from deep instead of 37%. Is that guy still in the NBA? I doubt it. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 10, 2016 9:58:02 GMT
84
Giannis really can play the point, he's a great player without the shooting, if he keeps being a triple-double machine he should go up to the high 80s.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 13, 2016 21:47:12 GMT
Think we could get a few more votes on this before we start him in the next batch.
With a player with as vast a skill set as Giannis, we need points. Wing players should be rated higher than guards and bigs.
What are some areas we should focus on with Giannis?
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 14, 2016 2:04:28 GMT
82.95 for me :-)
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Mar 14, 2016 2:53:48 GMT
28/14/11 tonight for Giannis.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Mar 14, 2016 3:21:29 GMT
84
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Post by James Kay on Mar 14, 2016 3:30:46 GMT
85
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 14, 2016 7:36:36 GMT
He is multi-skilled.
85
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Mar 14, 2016 8:35:45 GMT
82 ^^
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 14, 2016 20:53:46 GMT
Gonna wrap this one up and re-tally since he is supposed to be in the next batch.
By end of day 3/15/16, EDT around 11:00 PM, will tally these.
So get your votes in if you want them.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 18, 2016 21:43:24 GMT
83.139
Brings it to an 83.
Gavel
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 19, 2016 12:33:54 GMT
Sorry but no. He was voted an 81 in the thread you closed on Feb 3 and that rating never went into effect. You're supposed to respect the process in place for the very reason of not getting caught up in recent games but judging a player by his entire body of work. Giannis was voted an 81 and you need to wait a few months before opening a new thread. This is unprecedented in the stock watch and you're basically abusing your self-appointed closing thread power by completely ignoring a decision you already made. Giannis will be changed to an 81. Thanks. I saw the same and thought i was going crazy. I remember it having something to do with the highest vote and lowest making the avetage a 82 or something. Glad you spoke up. I didnt want to start things...lol |
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