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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Feb 17, 2016 18:36:10 GMT
Miami Heat trades:
Lebron James $22,112,500
Joe Johnson $24,894,865
Channing Frye $2,431,602 $2,653,234 $3,001,232
Henry Walker $507,336
Victor Claver $507,336
total: 50,453,639
Golden State Warriors trades:
Dwight Howard $22,726,308 $25,226,202 $28,001,085
Trevor Ariza $8,000,000 $8,500,000 $9,000,000
Stephen Adams $1,469,500 $1,496,916 $1,533,249
Terrence Jones $2,292,716 $3,221,267
Jamal Crawford $7,392,000 $8,205,186
Rodney Stuckey $5,000,000 $5,550,000 $6,160,500 $6,838,155
GSW 2017 1st
GSW 2019 1st
GSW 2016 2nd
GSW 2018 2nd
GSW 2019 2nd
total:53,718,679
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 17, 2016 18:51:57 GMT
Howard sucks, you are getting destroyed in this trade. You would be better off letting him walk and rebuilding.
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Post by James Kay on Feb 17, 2016 19:10:35 GMT
Does Troy know that Howard has a big decrease pending? Talk about an overreaction to a slow start….
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 17, 2016 20:06:02 GMT
Haahahahahahahaha omfg.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 17, 2016 20:06:30 GMT
Those GSW picks might as well be 2nd rounders to be honest.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 17, 2016 20:12:15 GMT
I'm really surprised that Troy wants to make this deal. 5 years in Miami and still 2/3rds of the season remaining for the Heat to improve. Now even if this trade gets rejected it will be a minor factor in OSFA. This is a very bad decision for the Heat.
Golden State, on the other hand, Oh My God.
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Post by Chris Mullin on Feb 17, 2016 20:31:21 GMT
The Warriors accept.
Will give further detail in a few hours, kind of in a rush right now
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Feb 17, 2016 20:38:34 GMT
I accept.
Lebron James will not resign with this summer with my aging Lineup and bad Sim players. I accepted this trade because i don't want to get nothing when Lebron leaves this summer.
i had compared the Heat lineup with my lineup during the time Lebron Left miami and i can see some similarities, Lebron wants young teammates (Kyrie IRL) to actually build around himself for his Legacy. I really can't win a Championship with my lineup right now and i don't really have the assets to make some ground changing moves.
Lebron just won 1 championship during his time with our organization. (1 out of 4) and lost last 2014 and got swept last year. I believe he will likely go to another place because we can't just win with my current lineup.
Meanwhile with this trade i got Dwight although he is due to a Decrease i really do believe he is still one of the best Centers in the league right now and with the Trade deadline coming i'm really hoping he will be rejuvenated in his new team IRL.
I also got Ariza who is really playing well right now, he will be my starting SF.
Steven adams and Terrence Jones has a great value.
also got lots of talent and my Bench will be 12 man deep i guess.
also the picks i'll be getting is from the future, might get traded also someday for players who can help my team right now.
My team will look like this if this will be accepted, i't will be contending for Championship this year.
Dwight
Jeff Green
Ariza
Wade
Deron
Bench
Gortat (lots of value)
Stephen Adams
Terrence Jones
Jamal Crawford (playing great IRL)
Rodney Stuckey
Asik
Andrew Nicholson
Trevor Booker
Curry
Tony Allen
Lebron will turn 32 years old this year and will not get any younger.
This is my team and i have been a Good GM for many years now, i have never traded for a deal that will not benefit my team and will not make my team better. i know what i'm doing with my team.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 17, 2016 20:54:41 GMT
I support this trade for what its worth. I just feel depressed that Troy is getting less than what was gotten for Westbrook.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Feb 17, 2016 21:05:46 GMT
I support this trade for what its worth. I just feel depressed that Troy is getting less than what was gotten for Westbrook. Because Golden state is the only team that can trade for Lebron and still have allstars in his team and can Resign him. |
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Post by James Kay on Feb 17, 2016 21:07:34 GMT
I support this trade for what its worth. I just feel depressed that Troy is getting less than what was gotten for Westbrook. Lol this. I have a higher opinion of D12 than most but he is aging and on a huge contract. This lets GSW (barring other moves) enter the off-season with Curry, Pau, Klays BR, Jack, Diaw, Frye, for a total of 52 million on the books, leaving them with an additional 12 million to spend once Lebron is signed (assuming he comes back, he should). |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 17, 2016 21:37:26 GMT
I support this trade for what its worth. I just feel depressed that Troy is getting less than what was gotten for Westbrook. Lol this. I have a higher opinion of D12 than most but he is aging and on a huge contract. This lets GSW (barring other moves) enter the off-season with Curry, Pau, Klays BR, Jack, Diaw, Frye, for a total of 52 million on the books, leaving them with an additional 12 million to spend once Lebron is signed (assuming he comes back, he should). That's if LeBron takes the NBA max of 30.3 million. When LeBron went to Cleveland, he wanted to be the highest paid player, in here that can mean a whole lot more than 30 million. |
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Post by James Kay on Feb 17, 2016 21:48:15 GMT
Lol this. I have a higher opinion of D12 than most but he is aging and on a huge contract. This lets GSW (barring other moves) enter the off-season with Curry, Pau, Klays BR, Jack, Diaw, Frye, for a total of 52 million on the books, leaving them with an additional 12 million to spend once Lebron is signed (assuming he comes back, he should). That's if LeBron takes the NBA max of 30.3 million. When LeBron went to Cleveland, he wanted to be the highest paid player, in here that can mean a whole lot more than 30 million. Yeah, my calculations were off because I forgot Lebron has been in the league for so long. But WTF are you talking about. How is Lebron going to demand more than the max lol |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 17, 2016 21:50:36 GMT
That's if LeBron takes the NBA max of 30.3 million. When LeBron went to Cleveland, he wanted to be the highest paid player, in here that can mean a whole lot more than 30 million. Yeah, my calculations were off because I forgot Lebron has been in the league for so long. But WTF are you talking about. How is Lebron going to demand more than the max lol Because we don't have a max in here, so we can't guarantee LeBron will only make 30 million. You're math was right, or near right. GSW should have nearly 42 million in cap space. Because there is no max contract in here, there is no way to know for sure how much LeBron will make, or Russ, or Love, or any superstar. |
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Post by James Kay on Feb 17, 2016 21:53:30 GMT
Yeah, my calculations were off because I forgot Lebron has been in the league for so long. But WTF are you talking about. How is Lebron going to demand more than the max lol Because we don't have a max in here, so we can't guarantee LeBron will only make 30 million. You're math was right, or near right. GSW should have nearly 42 million in cap space. Because there is no max contract in here, there is no way to know for sure how much LeBron will make, or Russ, or Love, or any superstar. Ian has said we will be implementing max contracts this off-season |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 17, 2016 21:57:01 GMT
Because we don't have a max in here, so we can't guarantee LeBron will only make 30 million. You're math was right, or near right. GSW should have nearly 42 million in cap space. Because there is no max contract in here, there is no way to know for sure how much LeBron will make, or Russ, or Love, or any superstar. Ian has said we will be implementing max contracts this off-season Yes, that's great and all, but when it happens, then we can say things like this. I remember talking to someone on the PA and they said that they like how it is, because they sort of institute a max amongst themselves but when a bidding war takes place, that goes out the door, or for franchise changing players, which LeBron would be included amongst. All I'm saying is, if there is no max, all these things we say and do based off the assumption of a max, and then there isn't one, will leave us open to looking like idiots. |
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Post by James Kay on Feb 17, 2016 22:00:44 GMT
Ian has said we will be implementing max contracts this off-season Yes, that's great and all, but when it happens, then we can say things like this. I remember talking to someone on the PA and they said that they like how it is, because they sort of institute a max amongst themselves but when a bidding war takes place, that goes out the door, or for franchise changing players, which LeBron would be included amongst. All I'm saying is, if there is no max, all these things we say and do based off the assumption of a max, and then there isn't one, will leave us open to looking like idiots. The commissioner has made a public definitive statement that there will be a max. No need to have pointless discussions considering the ramifications of this off-season without a max contract. Just because Ian hasn’t had time to incorporate it into the Rules section doesn’t mean he hasn’t commented on it and it doesn’t mean it could possibly not happen. Pretty sure tons of people have made or not made moves based on this information. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 17, 2016 22:01:21 GMT
Because we don't have a max in here, so we can't guarantee LeBron will only make 30 million. You're math was right, or near right. GSW should have nearly 42 million in cap space. Because there is no max contract in here, there is no way to know for sure how much LeBron will make, or Russ, or Love, or any superstar. Ian has said we will be implementing max contracts this off-season Like, if there is no max, LeBron could easily make 40 million in here this off-season. I imagine if the rules stand how they are, he will have like 5 or 6 offers in the 40s |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 17, 2016 22:02:21 GMT
Yes, that's great and all, but when it happens, then we can say things like this. I remember talking to someone on the PA and they said that they like how it is, because they sort of institute a max amongst themselves but when a bidding war takes place, that goes out the door, or for franchise changing players, which LeBron would be included amongst. All I'm saying is, if there is no max, all these things we say and do based off the assumption of a max, and then there isn't one, will leave us open to looking like idiots. The commissioner has made a public definitive statement that there will be a max. No need to have pointless discussions considering the ramifications of this off-season without a max contract. Just because Ian hasn’t had time to incorporate it into the Rules section doesn’t mean he hasn’t commented on it and it doesn’t mean it could possibly not happen. Pretty sure tons of people have made or not made moves based on this information. I would just prefer to deal in absolutes, James |
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 17, 2016 22:52:47 GMT
There will be max salaries I just need to find the time to announce it along with a bunch of stuff so everyone is ready for OSFA.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 17, 2016 23:05:44 GMT
There will be max salaries I just need to find the time to announce it along with a bunch of stuff so everyone is ready for OSFA. Will they follow the NBA guidelines? |
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Post by JR Wiles on Feb 17, 2016 23:06:19 GMT
There will be max salaries I just need to find the time to announce it along with a bunch of stuff so everyone is ready for OSFA. And hopefully a rule is in place to where when you offer 30-40 mil your cap to sign others is minimized so that osfa is more fair this time around. I hope. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 23:23:42 GMT
Holy crap didn't I just post source links so we wouldn't have to read the same CB max contract monologue just earlier today?
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 18, 2016 0:12:42 GMT
God Miami just gets railed in this.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 18, 2016 0:13:46 GMT
That Dwight contract is a net negative
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Feb 18, 2016 0:16:52 GMT
Don't let LBJ leave the East. That thing will make the League so much unbalance. ^^
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Post by JR Wiles on Feb 18, 2016 0:31:24 GMT
I too think its bad for the league. Let him leave in FA with the chance to stay in the East. Brian is right. Troy gets raped. Not totally but enough. At least we got screwed, then screwed ourself. If this trade goes through, GS dominates and the league..well let's just say it won't be so fun or competitive. Of course now Troy and others will be like Lebron will leave now in FA. It shouldn't be a sure thing even with the trade offer. Truly Troy has a contending team. He just doesn't know how to rotate the roster and is too scared to move his vet stars for young stars.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 18, 2016 0:37:40 GMT
Holy crap didn't I just post source links so we wouldn't have to read the same CB max contract monologue just earlier today? Then don't read it? You referenced something that was a month old and wasn't a rule yet. How many times does anyone in a position of power promise something and then not fulfill it? |
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Post by Chris Mullin on Feb 18, 2016 0:47:39 GMT
Obviously very biased opinion here, but I really think Miami is getting fair value for Lebron when you consider ALL of the circumstances surrounding him. If Lebron was signed to a 3 year deal right now this trade would never be possible but that is not his current situation. He is expiring after this year and the Heat have been underperforming so far this season. Based on the opinions of many of the GM's here anything short of a Championship for the Heat would most likely cause Lebron to sign elsewhere.
Miami's roster at the moment with Lebron has been part of the biggest reason GM's feel he would leave. They have a bunch of aging guys, no cap flexibility, and currently ONLY have their own 2016 & 2018 1st rounders. Now some will argue he should just try and resign Lebron but what happens to the Heat if he just leaves in free agency? With cap holds in place for both Lebron and Wade the Heat have no money to spend on any other free agents. So if he leaves they bring back Wade and have the cap space to get someone in the $10M range. In that scenario are the Heat better off than they are by making this trade? I don't believe they are.
Its clear some people think Dwight Howard sucks now, but hes still a very good player and a difference maker whether some want to admit it or not. I think Troy explained his side very well. Does he lose Lebron yes, but he gets a lot back both now and for the future. If he deals Gortat for a PF they are as good as anyone in the East right now and they will have a deep talented bench. Even if he doesn't trade Gortat they can contend in the East right now and now all they have to do in OSFA is resign the franchise Dwyane Wade.
Sure, my 2017 & 2019 1st rounders might be low picks but Miami doesn't have ANY 1st rounders in those years right now. A low 1st rounder is better than no 1st rounder is it not? They also get Steven Adams who is still offensively challenged, but he is still very young and has time to develop. If he was on a bad team IRL and was playing 35 mins a game his averages would rise and so would his rating but hes forced to split time with the more offensively gifted Kanter in OKC.
Miami plays it safe with this move and gets some quality pieces instead of potentially losing Lebron and getting nothing in return for him. If the Cavs and Heat both knew Lebron was going to leave IRL when he did, I would think they both would gladly take a package of Dwight Howard, Trevor Ariza, Steven Adams, Terrence Jones, Jamal Crawford, Rodney Stuckey, and 5 draft picks as compensation for him leaving.
Troy mentioned this earlier but there aren't many other teams in D5 that could trade for Lebron and still have the remaining pieces to entice Lebron to resign OSFA. I spent quite some time looking at every D5 roster and analyzing things and it would be tough. Lebron coming to the Warriors makes sense for several reasons. We can put shooters around him and have a skilled big man inside that knows how to win a championship. He joins an organization that just won a championship and is in the mix to compete for another title this year. We have in place right now what many of you said Lebron would be looking for when deciding where to go in OSFA.
I am taking a huge risk here because if I can't resign Lebron then I just gave away half of my team that just won a championship for Channing Frye.
I really hope the Trade Committee will approve this deal because both teams benefit and get what they want from the trade.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 18, 2016 0:58:06 GMT
This is more than SAC got for Westbrook
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