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Post by James Kay on Feb 16, 2016 14:52:58 GMT
Current: 93
Suggested: 96-97
What can’t he do? He leads the league in steals, is 2nd in assists with 10 per game, is scoring at a career high efficiency, 7.6 rebounds is a career high for him, probably the most athletic player in the league, I think he needs a few more ratings points to account for his well-rounded monster game.
Been a full year since there was a rating thread for him, and he’s only continued and improved his domination.
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Post by Ghazny Dimalen on Feb 16, 2016 15:04:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 16:00:21 GMT
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 16, 2016 16:40:20 GMT
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Post by Alex English on Feb 16, 2016 20:25:08 GMT
94.
It's always the same thing with me for Westbrook. His individual success rarely leads to team success. Durant is the guy on that team that makes things go. Without him I think Westbrook would be a Kevin Love type star with huge numbers but a mediocre team. It's getting pretty ridiculous though, he's the closest thing to Oscar Robertson since Oscar himself, and he's an athletic monster.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 16, 2016 21:09:50 GMT
94. It's always the same thing with me for Westbrook. His individual success rarely leads to team success. Durant is the guy on that team that makes things go. Without him I think Westbrook would be a Kevin Love type star with huge numbers but a mediocre team. It's getting pretty ridiculous though, he's the closest thing to Oscar Robertson since Oscar himself, and he's an athletic monster. I think we need to be able to separate individual success with team success though. We need to look at a player and rate him within the context of the team, but without the context of the team's success. Basketball is a team sport, but so often the burden falls on one player. The blame and the glory. However, the way the game is, a player can be taken out of the game with good defensive schemes. Just as a QB can be taken out of an NFL game, especially if the QB does not have capable lineman or receivers. If there is one person in the league that is incapable to scheme against, I think it is Russell Westbrook. Just look at how good he was last season without Durant. He can't help it if no one else on his team is good enough. And the Thunder learned that last year which is why they went out and acquired better role players. But it was all too little too late. To win in this league, you need 2 or 3 stars. Just look around at every team. If they have one star, they are likely a 6 seed thru the lottery, and they aren't truly contending for anything. We can't sit here and blame Russell Westbrook and talk about how he couldn't get the team to the playoffs last season by himself, when so many stars out there suffer the same plight. I think he is a 97. Better than Curry. Best PG in the league. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 16, 2016 21:40:36 GMT
His athleticism and all-around game needs points, plain and simple.
He's amazing.
96.
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Post by Alex English on Feb 16, 2016 22:15:01 GMT
I think we need to be able to separate individual success with team success though. We need to look at a player and rate him within the context of the team, but without the context of the team's success. Basketball is a team sport, but so often the burden falls on one player. The blame and the glory. However, the way the game is, a player can be taken out of the game with good defensive schemes. Just as a QB can be taken out of an NFL game, especially if the QB does not have capable lineman or receivers. If there is one person in the league that is incapable to scheme against, I think it is Russell Westbrook. Just look at how good he was last season without Durant. He can't help it if no one else on his team is good enough. And the Thunder learned that last year which is why they went out and acquired better role players. But it was all too little too late. To win in this league, you need 2 or 3 stars. Just look around at every team. If they have one star, they are likely a 6 seed thru the lottery, and they aren't truly contending for anything. We can't sit here and blame Russell Westbrook and talk about how he couldn't get the team to the playoffs last season by himself, when so many stars out there suffer the same plight. I think he is a 97. Better than Curry. Best PG in the league. I disagree. Team context is extremely important. Why doesn't Andre Iguodala have a rating in the mid 70s? Why doesn't Robert Covington have an 80+ rating? We can blame Westbrook for OKC's performance without Durant. They were 21-18 with just Westbrook, and 4-7 going down the stretch towards playoffs when it really mattered. Go back and read some of those Kevin Love threads that were Walt vs the world. It was a huge point that the Timberwolves were mediocre. Lastly, Curry is way better than Westbrook, dude can barely even shoot threes. How can you be a 97 when you suck at shooting? |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 16, 2016 22:42:41 GMT
I think we need to be able to separate individual success with team success though. We need to look at a player and rate him within the context of the team, but without the context of the team's success. Basketball is a team sport, but so often the burden falls on one player. The blame and the glory. However, the way the game is, a player can be taken out of the game with good defensive schemes. Just as a QB can be taken out of an NFL game, especially if the QB does not have capable lineman or receivers. If there is one person in the league that is incapable to scheme against, I think it is Russell Westbrook. Just look at how good he was last season without Durant. He can't help it if no one else on his team is good enough. And the Thunder learned that last year which is why they went out and acquired better role players. But it was all too little too late. To win in this league, you need 2 or 3 stars. Just look around at every team. If they have one star, they are likely a 6 seed thru the lottery, and they aren't truly contending for anything. We can't sit here and blame Russell Westbrook and talk about how he couldn't get the team to the playoffs last season by himself, when so many stars out there suffer the same plight. I think he is a 97. Better than Curry. Best PG in the league. I disagree. Team context is extremely important. Why doesn't Andre Iguodala have a rating in the mid 70s? Why doesn't Robert Covington have an 80+ rating? We can blame Westbrook for OKC's performance without Durant. They were 21-18 with just Westbrook, and 4-7 going down the stretch towards playoffs when it really mattered. Go back and read some of those Kevin Love threads that were Walt vs the world. It was a huge point that the Timberwolves were mediocre. Lastly, Curry is way better than Westbrook, dude can barely even shoot threes. How can you be a 97 when you suck at shooting? I said team context is important, but the success of the team is not important. The role the player plays with his skill set and everything within the team is important. But whether the team wins a lot of games or whatever shouldn't be weighted as heavily. If Iggy were on the 76ers and performing how he is, he would still be what he is rated. Iggy is an 81 because we all know he can play, and that right now, his role on the team is off the bench, not huge minutes like he used to. Covington isn't in the 80s because he is a 76er, and someone needs to fill the stat sheet over there. The role on the team in relation to the other players is important. But whether they win or they lose shouldn't be important. LeBron isn't rated a 98 because he wins all these games, he is rated that way because of his skills, and his skills translate to wins. In Russ's case, his skills are amazing , but the surrounding players, less Durant, isn't as good and holds them back. Durant doesn't carry the team when Russ is out, IIRC. They need each other to co-exist and win games because that is the roles they are suited for. When the Thunder didn't make the playoffs last season, we didn't run and nerf Russ. And we aren't nerfing Davis or Cousins because their teams suck this season. Curry is a great shooter. But he doesn't do the same things Russ does. And Russ doesn't do the same things Curry does. Russ does more things and needs more points for those things. If Curry gets the edge in shooting, Russ gets the edge in rebounds and assists, and because he gets more assists that translates to a higher O-Aware, or at least passing, even though Curry's is already sky high in those areas. Russ has a slight edge in steals. Shooting the 3 is one category. Shooting from the field is another. FT is another. Rebounding is 2, Assists is 2, driving to the rim is 1 or 2, Steals is 1. Plus Russ's athletic stats are way way better than Curry's. There's more areas and layers to Russ's game than Curry's. Therefore Russ needs more points. And I think Russell is better than Curry. I'll take 4 more assists and 2 more rebounds over 5 more points. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 16, 2016 23:55:32 GMT
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 17, 2016 0:49:50 GMT
I disagree. Team context is extremely important. Why doesn't Andre Iguodala have a rating in the mid 70s? Why doesn't Robert Covington have an 80+ rating? We can blame Westbrook for OKC's performance without Durant. They were 21-18 with just Westbrook, and 4-7 going down the stretch towards playoffs when it really mattered. Go back and read some of those Kevin Love threads that were Walt vs the world. It was a huge point that the Timberwolves were mediocre. Lastly, Curry is way better than Westbrook, dude can barely even shoot threes. How can you be a 97 when you suck at shooting? I will say this, I think that Curry is way more skilled. HOWEVER he is on a team as a shooter with a several multifaceted players and 2 other all star level talents. I think that if you take Westbrook off of that Thunder team the effect is more pronounced than if it is missing Durant. Ibaka who is good not great is the only other starter caliber player on that team. Adams is a good role player, as is Kanter both for opposite reasons. Dion kind of stinks to be honest and I wouldn't go hard in a trade after any of their other players. Andre Iguodala has a rating in the 80's because he's insanely overrated. He should be a 78 defensive specialist with a bit of a 3 point shot to account that he's the only player on the Warriors that other team barely has to guard. His career 3pt shooting numbers are way below average. I think you have to make Westbrook in the Sim as great as he is with the same glaring flaw (which is really his only flaw) in his 3 point shooting. I'm ok with 97-98 depending on which will allow you to give him that flaw. |
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Feb 17, 2016 0:57:49 GMT
94 ^^
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Feb 18, 2016 12:33:11 GMT
96
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 18, 2016 13:00:12 GMT
96
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 27, 2016 21:21:33 GMT
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