Hornets - Magic

[Jackie Moon]

New Orleans Hornets send
Chris Kaman (77) $12,700,000
Derek Fisher (75) $395,417
Al-Farouq Aminu (74) $2,755,560 $2,947,800 $3,749,602 $5,054,463
Xavier Henry (67) $2,171,640 $2,323,200 $3,201,370 $4,405,085
2012 OKC 2nd
2013 NO 2nd

Orlando Magic send
Amar'e Stoudemire (93) $18,217,705 $19,948,799 $21,679,893 $23,410,988


Reason
I accept. Amare is one of my favorite players and I have been pursuing him since the old Orlando GM was here, but he would never PM me back. Amare fits the run and gun style team I am trying to assemble. I see him as a number one option that can help guide this team to the playoffs. I know I sacrifice loads of cap room, but when CP3 is the best possible free agent this year there isnt much I can do lol. We give up two great prospects in Aminu and Henry, but the immediate improvement is too hard to pass up. Orlando gets cap space and another Center, allowing Chandler to become expendable like he is wanting. He gets an expiring serviceable backup PG in Fisher. And he gets pieces for the future in Aminu/Henry and the picks.

NOTE- I know Amare will be getting a decrease. We also know that Orlando will have to release a few players to make this happen.

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[Deleted]

IF this trade passes, NOH's 2013 1st is on the block!

[Alex English]

Oh Mr. Bowman, how we've missed you.

The over/under is 0.5 accepts. Does anybody want to bet on the over?

[Blake Bowman]

Kaman is a great Center and I also like Fisher, Aminu and Henry will be good on our team. I love young talent and think Aminu has great potential. I know Amare is my best player, but he will be getting payed 23 Million when he is 32, which is too much in my opinion, I also like the 2nd Rounders, they are good to rebuild with.

I accept.

[Deleted]

I admire the drive to win...I really do, but I dont care if you have been here before in our league or the old D5...but Dwight is worth at least a star player and a current one. Star meaning Starter+previous All-Star+Leader....

[Blake Bowman]

What's an over/under?

[Blake Bowman]

What about Dwight???

[Jackie Moon]

Jun 25, 2012 4:03:42 GMT @griz2385 said:

I admire the drive to win...I really do, but I dont care if you have been here before in our league or the old D5...but Dwight is worth at least a star player and a current one. Star meaning Starter+previous All-Star+Leader....

This trade isnt for Dwight lol

[Clyde Drexler]

How did you accept a deal without Harden or even a 1st rounder?

[JJ Savage]

Looks like me dealing the NOH 2013 1st round pick turned out being good

[Allen Iverson]

Jun 25, 2012 3:55:05 GMT Alex English said:

Oh Mr. Bowman, how we've missed you.

The over/under is 0.5 accepts. Does anybody want to bet on the over?

lol. 0.5 accepts. ;D UNDER!

[Jackie Moon]

I understand this trade might have to be reworked, especially based on everyone's reaction to this thread it seems. Blake and I are eager to getting this deal done so once the TC comments, changes will be made and the trade will be reposted if needed.

But Amare will be getting a decrease to the 82-85 range. Keep that in mind.

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Jun 25, 2012 4:26:00 GMT Jackie Moon said:

I understand this trade might have to be reworked, especially based on everyone's reaction to this thread it seems. Blake and I are eager to getting this deal done so once the TC comments, changes will be made and the trade will be reposted if needed.

But Amare will be getting a decrease to the 82-85 range. Keep that in mind.

I bet you are eager to get this deal done, and I am eager to stop you from getting this deal done so your pick doesn't become worthless!

Also, who died and made you king of the ratings? To me, 17.5 and 8 in real life will drop his rating no lower than an 88.

[Jackie Moon]

Jun 25, 2012 4:31:14 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Jun 25, 2012 4:26:00 GMT Jackie Moon said:

I understand this trade might have to be reworked, especially based on everyone's reaction to this thread it seems. Blake and I are eager to getting this deal done so once the TC comments, changes will be made and the trade will be reposted if needed.

But Amare will be getting a decrease to the 82-85 range. Keep that in mind.

I bet you are eager to get this deal done, and I am eager to stop you from getting this deal done so your pick doesn't become worthless!

Also, who died and made you king of the ratings? To me, 17.5 and 8 in real life will drop his rating no lower than an 88.

Amare is an 82 on NBA 2k12, a game whose player ratings are update weekly.

[Jackie Moon]

Also the only four players rated higher than Amare currently are Kobe, LeBron, D Wade, and KD.

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Jun 25, 2012 4:36:07 GMT Jackie Moon said:

Jun 25, 2012 4:31:14 GMT Vlade Divac said:

I bet you are eager to get this deal done, and I am eager to stop you from getting this deal done so your pick doesn't become worthless!

Also, who died and made you king of the ratings? To me, 17.5 and 8 in real life will drop his rating no lower than an 88.

Amare is an 82 on NBA 2k12, a game whose player ratings are update weekly.

Oh so now we are going off NBA 2k12 huh? The way the ratings are determined, and I am sure a smart guy such as yourself knows this, is by real life ratings. There is a perception that Amare may not be able to produce anymore, and perhaps it is correct, but that should not factor our rating process in this league. By stats, and considering the crazy season NY had, he is still putting up big numbers and won't be lower than an 88.

[Blake Bowman]

Jun 25, 2012 4:36:07 GMT Jackie Moon said:

Jun 25, 2012 4:31:14 GMT Vlade Divac said:

I bet you are eager to get this deal done, and I am eager to stop you from getting this deal done so your pick doesn't become worthless!

Also, who died and made you king of the ratings? To me, 17.5 and 8 in real life will drop his rating no lower than an 88.

Amare is an 82 on NBA 2k12, a game whose player ratings are update weekly.

Really? Dang, I haven't played 2k12 in like 4 months. Sorry to be off topic, lol.

[James McGowan]

Jun 25, 2012 4:31:14 GMT Vlade Divac said:

I bet you are eager to get this deal done, and I am eager to stop you from getting this deal done so your pick doesn't become worthless!

Also, who died and made you king of the ratings? To me, 17.5 and 8 in real life will drop his rating no lower than an 88.

And that's why your opinion shouldn't count, if you have an interested in another teams lack of success (as in having one of their future 1st round picks) then your opinion is biased. NO is making a risky move by taking on a highly paid injury prone player (his knees are so bad that IRL the Knicks couldn't even get his contract insured). I do think NO should give a little more but this isn't far off from being equal value

[Deleted]

Jun 25, 2012 4:43:13 GMT James McGowan said:

Jun 25, 2012 4:31:14 GMT Vlade Divac said:

I bet you are eager to get this deal done, and I am eager to stop you from getting this deal done so your pick doesn't become worthless!

Also, who died and made you king of the ratings? To me, 17.5 and 8 in real life will drop his rating no lower than an 88.

And that's why your opinion shouldn't count, if you have an interested in another teams lack of success (as in having one of their future 1st round picks) then your opinion is biased. NO is making a risky move by taking on a highly paid injury prone player (his knees are so bad that IRL the Knicks couldn't even get his contract insured). I do think NO should give a little more but this isn't far off from being equal value

No, it is fact we do the ratings based off of real life states. If 17 and 8 is an 82 then there are going to be A LOT of players lowered.

[James McGowan]

Jun 25, 2012 4:46:34 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Jun 25, 2012 4:43:13 GMT James McGowan said:

And that's why your opinion shouldn't count, if you have an interested in another teams lack of success (as in having one of their future 1st round picks) then your opinion is biased. NO is making a risky move by taking on a highly paid injury prone player (his knees are so bad that IRL the Knicks couldn't even get his contract insured). I do think NO should give a little more but this isn't far off from being equal value

No, it is fact we do the ratings based off of real life states. If 17 and 8 is an 82 then there are going to be A LOT of players lowered.

I wasn't talking about how low Amare's rating will go. I was referring to you saying "and I am eager to stop you from getting this deal done so your pick doesn't become worthless!". If all your doing is trying to protect the value of the pick you own from NO your opinion is biased and shouldn't mean anything

[Otis Smith]

Jun 25, 2012 4:46:34 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Jun 25, 2012 4:43:13 GMT James McGowan said:

And that's why your opinion shouldn't count, if you have an interested in another teams lack of success (as in having one of their future 1st round picks) then your opinion is biased. NO is making a risky move by taking on a highly paid injury prone player (his knees are so bad that IRL the Knicks couldn't even get his contract insured). I do think NO should give a little more but this isn't far off from being equal value

No, it is fact we do the ratings based off of real life states. If 17 and 8 is an 82 then there are going to be A LOT of players lowered.

Box score stats should never alone indicate the rise or fall of a player's ratings. The reason Amare is a 82 in NBA 2K12 is that he is a one-dimensional scorer who is terrible on defence. Also he isn't scoring as efficiently as he once was and is struggling with his injuries+reduce in athleticism.

Still at the end of the day we have to respect the decision of the TC and try to have conversations on the worth of player/trade in the appropriate places (like the trade discussion sub-topic).

[Deleted]

Well if that's the way half the league feels about him, I am going to go get him then. I'll be 100% honest with everyone, I sent Orlando an offer for Amare that dwarfs this one. Not only do I think Amare is good because he's a 92, but the guy is not done. He might get traded from New York, but right now the pieces just don't fit together....I feel like he can still get it done at a high level and be a top 20 player.

[thegame]

Lol Jackie Moon if you can pull this deal off without giving up a real pick or harden you will be the undisputed, unanimous GM of the year.

[JP Inawat]

Jun 25, 2012 3:55:05 GMT Alex English said:

The over/under is 0.5 accepts. Does anybody want to bet on the over?

Nah... Under.. lol

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Amare for 2 expirings, 2 busts, and 2 2nd rounders?

Reject.

[Walt Frazier]

Reject.

Aminu and Henry are largely considered to be "busts" as Mr. Barber pointed out, they've had multiple seasons to make an impact and now heading into their 3rd seasons (I think) they haven't really made a positive impression at all. They are pennies on the dollar when compared to Amar'e.

Kaman is a nice, solid C but he's got his ?'s as well and his long-term value is nil b/c he expires and very possibly won't want to re-sign with the Magic.

The 2nd rounders, again, are pennies on the dollar when compared to Amar'e.

This is basically Kaman, who expires, and then 4 long, long loooooooong shot pieces to be of any value.

No thanks.

[Ian Noble]

Barber and Frazier summed it up for me. I reject.

Trade rejected.