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Post by James Kay on Feb 1, 2016 3:42:52 GMT
Current: 84
Suggested: 86
Not a huge increase, but he's been healthy for a full season and is a solidly efficient 20 point scorer. His defense and rebounding are undersold, for sure. The Nets aren't great but it's not like Lopez has much to work with there. Without Brook Lopez the Nets are worse than the Sixers. The guy is damn good.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 1, 2016 4:04:42 GMT
I'd rather have Dre who I think is getting bumped to an 84. Therefore 83
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 1, 2016 11:53:46 GMT
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Post by Alex English on Feb 1, 2016 13:38:40 GMT
Lopez has been great since finally being healthy again. I haven't thought of him as deserving a rating boost though. But if we're giving Paul Millsap an 89... Can anyone actually say they believe Millsap is more talented than Lopez? Like if they were traded for each other and Lopez got to play on the Hawks, and Millsap had to play with the sorry lot that make up the Nets, who believes Millsap would perform better?
Under the circumstances I'll give him an 86 too I guess.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 1, 2016 13:40:29 GMT
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 1, 2016 14:14:03 GMT
Lopez has been great since finally being healthy again. I haven't thought of him as deserving a rating boost though. But if we're giving Paul Millsap an 89... Can anyone actually say they believe Millsap is more talented than Lopez? Like if they were traded for each other and Lopez got to play on the Hawks, and Millsap had to play with the sorry lot that make up the Nets, who believes Millsap would perform better? Under the circumstances I'll give him an 86 too I guess. I don't believe Millsap is going to be increased to an 89 for what it's worth. I like Lopez, but I really feel like opposing teams let Brook do what he wants and take every other player out of the game. Essentially, teams do to the Nets as the Warriors did to the Cavs in the finals last year. |
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Post by James Kay on Feb 1, 2016 14:21:39 GMT
Lopez has been great since finally being healthy again. I haven't thought of him as deserving a rating boost though. But if we're giving Paul Millsap an 89... Can anyone actually say they believe Millsap is more talented than Lopez? Like if they were traded for each other and Lopez got to play on the Hawks, and Millsap had to play with the sorry lot that make up the Nets, who believes Millsap would perform better? Under the circumstances I'll give him an 86 too I guess. I definitely believe Millsap > Lopez. Better shooter, can make threes, better defense too. Millsap is sick with steals. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 1, 2016 17:18:32 GMT
Lopez has been great since finally being healthy again. I haven't thought of him as deserving a rating boost though. But if we're giving Paul Millsap an 89... Can anyone actually say they believe Millsap is more talented than Lopez? Like if they were traded for each other and Lopez got to play on the Hawks, and Millsap had to play with the sorry lot that make up the Nets, who believes Millsap would perform better? Under the circumstances I'll give him an 86 too I guess. I definitely believe Millsap > Lopez. Better shooter, can make threes, better defense too. Millsap is sick with steals. Yea, I agree with James, and he touched on the point I was going to make in response to Alex. Millsap just does more. Who has the better shot? Who has the better 3pt shot? Who can jump higher? Who runs faster? Who is quicker? Etc, etc. Some of us are voting at least partially while thinking about all the rating points that need to go into each category. Maybe that's a fault of the rating system, that even if Brook is/was better than Millsap, it's really really hard to accurately put the points anywhere that would make a player like him rated higher than a player like Millsap. Gotta go, hope my point at least comes across the. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 5, 2016 23:21:17 GMT
His highly underrated because the joke about his inability to grab a lot of rebounds is still on the mind of the majority. In the last two seasons, he has upped his per 36 rebs to the 9.
Defense has improve a lot too.
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Feb 5, 2016 23:52:10 GMT
85 ^^
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 6, 2016 0:21:12 GMT
Walt was basically trying to say, that for better or for worse, the people with inside knowledge of the rating system, look at the potential increase and decrease in OVR as points being infused or deducted from the player's attributes.
However, it is really hard to look at it when one does not know the full ratings of players.
I think Brook Lopez is about an 86. Bigs that don't shoot, don't need a high rating. But Brook has a little more of a Post Game than Drummond or DeAndre.
For all that is going on with Drummond, his points are fine. He is a better version of DeAndre Jordan, however, after you've put all the points you can in Rebounding and Dunking, there isn't much left to increase if they don't add another part to their game. Or improve on their post game.
Lopez isn't like Drummond or DeAndre, but he also is as athletic as them either. He still gets more PPG than the two of them. FWIW, I'd rather have Drummond. But, Drummond is going to have the Korver problem soon, there isn't a lot of room left to increase his points. Can only max out Dunk and Rebounding.
Again, we need to quit cross comparing players who don't fit exact type of player each is.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 6, 2016 2:04:58 GMT
Athleticism isn't nearly as important for a big as it is for a wing/guard.
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Post by Brandon Roy on Feb 6, 2016 7:20:36 GMT
85... has very good post up moves
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 4, 2016 0:05:22 GMT
Thread Closed.
FV: 85
Gavel.
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