Lucas Lutkus
Former Bobcats GM
Sophomore
Posts: 684
Jul 16, 2013 9:57:53 GMT
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on Jun 23, 2012 2:37:06 GMT
'GMs may no longer trade all of their draft picks away. Only two of the three first rounders may be traded from now on.' Really? IMO, with this rule, we (GMs) lost some of our freedom... It's like we don't have total control over our team anymore, if i, for example, have a contender team and then a rebuilding team (like mine) offers me a trade like: ' 72 player 2014 1st for 83 player' But i already traded my 2012 and my 2013 1sts to other good deals, including one where i sent a 2013 1st to receive a 2012 1st (i traded one of my three first rounders) then i can't do this trade? For me, that's wrong. If i'm rebuilding for 2014 like i am, i can't do a trade like my 2013 1st for a 2014 1st because i already traded my 2012 1st and my 2014 1st? IMO, that's a bad rule, it takes off the freedom from GMs, i understand that Ian did this because he wants to stop some GMs to trade picks for nothing, but seriously? What about OKC for example, the guy is going to have only mid-late 1st the next years, why not let him trade his picks for more depth right now? I'm against this trade, don't know about other guys, but IMO there's no reason to do this...
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Post by Marcelo Oliveira on Jun 23, 2012 2:38:46 GMT
I would like to hear from Ian an explanation for this rule
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Lucas Lutkus
Former Bobcats GM
Sophomore
Posts: 684
Jul 16, 2013 9:57:53 GMT
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on Jun 23, 2012 2:41:34 GMT
Brazil dislikes the new rule haha
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James McGowan
Former Knicks GM
Rookie
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May 10, 2021 11:27:27 GMT
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Post by James McGowan on Jun 23, 2012 3:20:32 GMT
Ian is trying to make this league as realistic as he can. In real life NBA league rules prohibit a team from trading away future first-round picks in consecutive years (http://armchairgm.wikia.com/NBA_Draft). To me how Ian is doing it is less strict and the better way to go. To Lucas Lutkus, you brought up OKC, if they would want they could package the picks they traded for because their not their own picks. At least the way I'm taking this is if you don't acquire extra picks you can only trade 2 of the 3 picks originally owned by your team. (I'm not 100% sure on this so I'd wait for Ian to comment just to be sure)
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Post by Alex English on Jun 23, 2012 3:37:56 GMT
I think it is a great rule. First round picks are a team's future and preventing teams from trading all future picks away with complete disregard or because they "will be a contender by then" (by the way, no you won't) is a great idea.
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May 2, 2024 23:43:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2012 3:45:11 GMT
Not every GM builds through the draft. If I was a horrible team yes. When my team sucks I expect contenders to want my players for depth. You can make this league as real as can be, but it's just a game. If you want real rules, do fantasy!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2012 4:41:13 GMT
I think maybe a good compromise would be to have a certain number of total 1st round picks a team has to have at all times, and not worry where it originally came from.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 23, 2012 8:18:56 GMT
Basically James hit the nail on the head: Ian is trying to make this league as realistic as he can. In real life NBA league rules prohibit a team from trading away future first-round picks in consecutive years (http://armchairgm.wikia.com/NBA_Draft). To me how Ian is doing it is less strict and the better way to go. It's a real NBA rule and it's a good idea. Had I known this was a real NBA rule sooner I would've added it sooner, but I don't think it's particularly bad for any teams that I introduce it now.
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Otis Smith
Former Rockets GM
Sophomore
Posts: 280
Dec 24, 2013 6:32:46 GMT
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Post by Otis Smith on Jun 23, 2012 18:10:47 GMT
Ian is trying to make this league as realistic as he can. In real life NBA league rules prohibit a team from trading away future first-round picks in consecutive years (http://armchairgm.wikia.com/NBA_Draft). To me how Ian is doing it is less strict and the better way to go. To Lucas Lutkus, you brought up OKC, if they would want they could package the picks they traded for because their not their own picks. At least the way I'm taking this is if you don't acquire extra picks you can only trade 2 of the 3 picks originally owned by your team. (I'm not 100% sure on this so I'd wait for Ian to comment just to be sure) I think it is a great rule. First round picks are a team's future and preventing teams from trading all future picks away with complete disregard or because they "will be a contender by then" (by the way, no you won't) is a great idea. +1 for each
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 24, 2012 1:22:58 GMT
Not every GM builds through the draft. If I was a horrible team yes. When my team sucks I expect contenders to want my players for depth. You can make this league as real as can be, but it's just a game. If you want real rules, do fantasy!!! This is just wrong man, sorry. Fantasy is for the make believe stuff. Sim leagues are where we "sim"ulate real life. So Sims should be more realistic, Fantasy less so.
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Jackie Moon
Former Pelicans GM
Sophomore
Posts: 281
Nov 11, 2013 18:17:55 GMT
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Post by Jackie Moon on Jun 24, 2012 1:24:34 GMT
Its a rule in real life, so I see no problem with it being established here.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 24, 2012 1:25:07 GMT
I will add, as to the rule (I like it generally), I think the NBA rule, you just have to have a 1st round pick, doesn't matter if it is your own or not.
As a Knicks fan I ran through these rules a lot with all the picks they've traded. So like the one year they had their own pick but Houston could swap it, that was ok b/c it was a swap and they'd at least have a 1st rounder either way.
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Lucas Lutkus
Former Bobcats GM
Sophomore
Posts: 684
Jul 16, 2013 9:57:53 GMT
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on Jun 24, 2012 1:50:41 GMT
I will add, as to the rule (I like it generally), I think the NBA rule, you just have to have a 1st round pick, doesn't matter if it is your own or not. As a Knicks fan I ran through these rules a lot with all the picks they've traded. So like the one year they had their own pick but Houston could swap it, that was ok b/c it was a swap and they'd at least have a 1st rounder either way. This way is more reasonable I have 6 1st rounders i think and i plan on trading them when you guys least expect hahaha
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May 2, 2024 23:43:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2012 4:02:49 GMT
Not every GM builds through the draft. If I was a horrible team yes. When my team sucks I expect contenders to want my players for depth. You can make this league as real as can be, but it's just a game. If you want real rules, do fantasy!!! This is just wrong man, sorry. Fantasy is for the make believe stuff. Sim leagues are where we "sim"ulate real life. So Sims should be more realistic, Fantasy less so. Sometimes I just like to hear myself talk. That's what happens when you wife's Russian and always has to be right..
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 24, 2012 8:03:31 GMT
Sometimes I just like to hear myself talk. That's what happens when you wife's Russian and always has to be right.. hahhaha I love it ;D
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Post by Danny Longley on Jun 24, 2012 12:16:31 GMT
I think Minny's suggestion would be a good compromise considering the pick movement so far. Either push the hard-line version rule to next year or have a period wherein Minny's version is used before fully transitioning to the hard-line rule would be best IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2012 16:23:20 GMT
This is just wrong man, sorry. Fantasy is for the make believe stuff. Sim leagues are where we "sim"ulate real life. So Sims should be more realistic, Fantasy less so. Sometimes I just like to hear myself talk. That's what happens when you wife's Russian and always has to be right.. San Antonio, Bbi Govorite Rucckia? Ya Govory Ochenb Blowa Rucckia!
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