Pacers - Jazz

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Jan 10, 2016 13:27:38 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

I am okay with it going through, but Indy confuses me with all of his trades. Is he trying to win? Is he trying to lose? I have no idea what his plan is.

Pretty sure he doesn't own his pick -- right?

[Bryan Colangelo]

Just want to point out, things like this hurt teams in the off season when signing players and then trading them in the first season. Its part of the factors we look at when signing players to teams.

I'm fine with the deal otherwise. Indy doesn't have his pick, so he could careless if he wins. This is a great building block for him. For Adam, I'm a little confused but hes a proven GM and knows what he's doing. He's building a solid team in Utah

[Kevin Hollis]

Jan 10, 2016 16:09:44 GMT Bryan Colangelo said:

Just want to point out, things like this hurt teams in the off season when signing players and then trading them in the first season. Its part of the factors we look at when signing players to teams.

I'm fine with the deal otherwise. Indy doesn't have his pick, so he could careless if he wins. This is a great building block for him. For Adam, I'm a little confused but hes a proven GM and knows what he's doing. He's building a solid team in Utah

He is trying to tank for Simmons. Pretty simple.

[Spike Lee]

Jan 10, 2016 3:56:09 GMT @riogho said:

Some people think he is worth negative, some people think he is worth positive. We get you think he is worth negative. It's an opinion, so talking to Larry like you think he is stupid if he accepts this deal isn't cool. Unless you think the 3-4 other GMs who have given me offers for him are also clearly stupid? 

Cleveland is upset I didn't give him Mirotic! 

Opinions are like ass holes, everyone has one! (and it stinks)

[Larry Bird]

I'll accept.

I hate his huge salary, but I feel he can make it worthwhile with how he has been playing. Fred Hoiberg is an offensive minded coach. Mirotic since being given the starting SF spot has been performing very well. He should be able to continue to put up good points and that is something I need. I don't have my first, Boston does, so I am not playing for Ben Simmons.

[Kevin Hollis]

Makes sense. Was the George hill trade done with this trade in mind?

[Larry Bird]

No, but if this trade goes through that trade becomes:

Hill
Mickey
Expirings

For

Mirotic
Barton
Dallas 1st
Expirings

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Jan 10, 2016 16:09:44 GMT Bryan Colangelo said:

Just want to point out, things like this hurt teams in the off season when signing players and then trading them in the first season. Its part of the factors we look at when signing players to teams.



I'm fine with the deal otherwise. Indy doesn't have his pick, so he could careless if he wins. This is a great building block for him. For Adam, I'm a little confused but hes a proven GM and knows what he's doing. He's building a solid team in Utah

As far as GM loyalty? I think this shows my loyalty. Mirotic was frustrated on a team that wanted to be last in the West. He was playing his mind out trying to piss me off at every turn... This trade is good for both of us.

Now Mirotic gets to start on a playoff team in the East. Somehow I feel that players aren't going to be too pissed that I trade them to a better place.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Jan 10, 2016 23:49:12 GMT @riogho said:

Jan 10, 2016 16:09:44 GMT Bryan Colangelo said:

Just want to point out, things like this hurt teams in the off season when signing players and then trading them in the first season. Its part of the factors we look at when signing players to teams.



I'm fine with the deal otherwise. Indy doesn't have his pick, so he could careless if he wins. This is a great building block for him. For Adam, I'm a little confused but hes a proven GM and knows what he's doing. He's building a solid team in Utah

As far as GM loyalty? I think this shows my loyalty. Mirotic was frustrated on a team that wanted to be last in the West. He was playing his mind out trying to piss me off at every turn... This trade is good for both of us.

Now Mirotic gets to start on a playoff team in the East. Somehow I feel that players aren't going to be too pissed that I trade them to a better place.



Then why did he sign with you in the first place? And secondly why sign him when he's not in your long term plans. Thirdly I bet you were a primary driver of his unrealistic contract and there may be a team who REALLY wanted him and you got him just to trade him for Jon Leuer. 

[Kevin Hollis]

Jan 11, 2016 0:03:39 GMT @riogho said:

Jan 10, 2016 23:59:58 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

He was in my plans until he started winning me a ton of games. I told him we were supposed to tank! Guess he had a change of heart. Mirotic came to me because I showed him the money, and was one of the first GMs to give contract flexibility, so he signed with me instead of going to a better team. Now he has the money AND the team. I'm sure sim Mirotic feels the same way about this trade IRL Mirotic probably would've, and thats that he would like it. 

You're right Jeremiah, I'm sure prospective free agents are just shaking in their boots at the thought of being paid almost twice what they are worth, with player options, and then getting traded to a better team (the kind of team he would've picked if those type of teams could offer 16M).

So you just admitted what everyone said: you overpaid and that's a bad contract. You simply contradicted yourself and agreed with us that he isn't worth that contract. 

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Jan 11, 2016 0:20:55 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

So you just admitted what everyone said: you overpaid and that's a bad contract. You simply contradicted yourself and agreed with us that he isn't worth that contract. 

No he just couldn't get paid that contract by someone with a good team, because those teams don't have the cap space. He is worth the deal; he is just being paid way more than he is in real life and where other players deals were capped at...

I worded myself poorly before, he's worth his contract, however he's getting paid twice the deal he should've signed


Robert Covingtons deal was capped at 7m... Not saying Covington is Mirotic level but Mirotic could've been realistically capped much lower than the IRL max contract for that year

[Sam Bowie]

Jan 11, 2016 0:20:55 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

So you just admitted what everyone said: you overpaid and that's a bad contract. You simply contradicted yourself and agreed with us that he isn't worth that contract. 

Then again, Mirotic's signing was one of the 1sts of the off-season and it did seem like he overpaid at the time but then, things went crazy so his contract is alright I think. And it is guaranteed for 3 seasons which means BRs for Larry.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Thank goodness we are going to have max contracts now.

[Larry Bird]

Most of the quality free agents are on Birds Rights, arnt they?

[Jay Z]

Jan 11, 2016 0:27:38 GMT Sam Bowie said:

Jan 11, 2016 0:20:55 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

So you just admitted what everyone said: you overpaid and that's a bad contract. You simply contradicted yourself and agreed with us that he isn't worth that contract. 

Then again, Mirotic's signing was one of the 1sts of the off-season and it did seem like he overpaid at the time but then, things went crazy so his contract is alright I think. And it is guaranteed for 3 seasons which means BRs for Larry.

I'm pretty sure i was the reason behind the overpay as i offered him his highest contract initially then doubled down with an 80 million dollar offer when i found out someone matched my contract.  I had one thing going for my team and that was an abundance of cap (~ 40 million).  So i overpaid to a)show how much i wanted Mirotic and b) it was front loaded, so by the time my team was competitive he would be making like 14 per.  I'd still give him that contract right now if it was on my terms.

Its a joke that Adam traded away the players who helped him win the bid for Mirotic then decided Mirotic wasn't worth keeping after winning him.  I really hope that the player agents keep this in mind for the next few FA's.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

For every mistake is an opportunity to make it right.

[Walt Frazier]

All in all, I'm willing to accept this.

[Danny Longley]

I'll accept as well. I'll definitely have this in mind come Free Agency if i'm a PA, but can't reject it on a value perspective.

As for the contract, Mirotic had 12 suitors and had a year under his belt this past OSFA as opposed to the Bulls having rights on him IRL - they're two completely different situations.

Anyway, I limited him to around the range of the 0-4 year pro maximum even though he had some teams open with $20m/year offers. But considering how many teams still have cap space at this point, I probably should have let some bidding wars - including this one - go further. 

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Trade passed! Woo!

[Alex English]

Accept.

[Ian Noble]

Trade passed and queued until Dec 15th in-game.

[Ian Noble]

Trade processed.