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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 21:33:53 GMT
Utah Jazz
78 Nikola Mirotic $16,775,000 $16,900,000 $17,038,750 $17,192,762 $17,363,716
Salary Before: $56,219,278
Salary After: <70M
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Indiana Pacers
67 Jordan Mickey $500,000 $600,000 $700,000
75 Jon Leuer $2,500,000 $2,750,000 $3,000,000 $3,250,000
74 Shannon Brown $5,000,000
71 DeJuan Blair $3,885,000
70 Jimmer Fredette $4,708,931
Salary Before: $59,921,671
Salary After: <70M
I accept, this appears to be me getting it in the butt really hard but Mirotic is winning me too many games. Welcome 2nd rounder dudes who names start with Js!
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 9, 2016 21:35:20 GMT
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 9, 2016 21:36:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 21:36:54 GMT
no mirotic is definitely worth his contract. he is young and it guarantees bird rights and the cap is going to be huge. It's less than 20% of the future cap for a guy who is showing lots of promise in his sophomore year in the leagye. Have you even watched any bulls games? Since they moved him to SF he has had great games as well |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 9, 2016 21:36:56 GMT
Nevermind I see what happened.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 9, 2016 21:39:50 GMT
no mirotic is definitely worth his contract. he is young and it guarantees bird rights and the cap is going to be huge. It's less than 20% of the future cap for a guy who is showing lots of promise in his sophomore year in the leagye. Have you even watched any bulls games? Since they moved him to SF he has had great games as well I'm saying that Jon Leuer is better than Mirotic right now, almost as young and for 15 million less per year. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 21:40:21 GMT
no mirotic is definitely worth his contract. he is young and it guarantees bird rights and the cap is going to be huge. It's less than 20% of the future cap for a guy who is showing lots of promise in his sophomore year in the leagye. Have you even watched any bulls games? Since they moved him to SF he has had great games as well I'm saying that Jon Leuer is better than Mirotic right now, almost as young and for 15 million less per year. Jon Leuer is definitely not better than Mirotic youre fucking crazy |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 9, 2016 21:43:14 GMT
I'm saying that Jon Leuer is better than Mirotic right now, almost as young and for 15 million less per year. Jon Leuer is definitely not better than Mirotic youre fucking crazy He's shooting 10% better in everything but FT playing similar minutes on team with worse players. And if you can get basically the same guy for 15 million dollars less then why wouldn't you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 21:43:59 GMT
Jon Leuer is definitely not better than Mirotic youre fucking crazy He's shooting 10% better in everything but FT playing similar minutes on team with worse players. And if you can get basically the same guy for 15 million dollars less then why wouldn't you. the ceiling is drastically different; theres a pretty good chance imo mirotic will be worth this contract - especially in the long run. leuer could go back to being a bench person as soon as phoenix gets a PF worth a shit |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 21:46:58 GMT
It's like saying Mudiay is trash now because his numbers aren't great... He is still learning and he ceiling is really high.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 9, 2016 21:51:13 GMT
Overall response to this trade. Its a bad deal for both GMs.
Cons for Utah:
They just got Mirotic. He's going to show prospective free agents that he has even less loyalty than the average GM in this league and that he doesn't really care about winning. Then we all have to hear about it when no free agents sign with him next year because he signs people and just trades them away.
Cons for Indiana
After like 15 games this will be Larry's 5th trade. Each time he loses a little bit. What does this trade do for him? Send away two cheap prospects for one guy who's not really going to move the needle for him but will only gum up his cap space for the next 5 seasons? For a guy averaging 10 ppg?
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 9, 2016 21:54:36 GMT
It's like saying Mudiay is trash now because his numbers aren't great... He is still learning and he ceiling is really high. Mirotic was a 23 year old rookie who had been playing professionally for like 5 years. Its not like he was a 20 year old contributor for a playoff team. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 9, 2016 21:58:35 GMT
I'm not going to argue it anymore. I don't know if its declineable but I just want Larry to know whats going on before he accepts another trade.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 22:02:51 GMT
Mirotic also plays really really good defense both inside and out, on and off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 22:04:46 GMT
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 9, 2016 22:11:08 GMT
Why  I thought we have an agreement already. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 22:13:23 GMT
Why I thought we have an agreement already. Oh shiii... I kind of forgot about that when you didnt update me on how you'd make the salaries work! |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 9, 2016 22:14:24 GMT
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 9, 2016 22:34:44 GMT
Why I thought we have an agreement already. Oh shiii... I kind of forgot about that when you didnt update me on how you'd make the salaries work! I understand! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 0:09:32 GMT
In advanced stats, even when only looking at this season Mirotic blows Leuer out of the water... Listen I get it that you and James think that Mirotic is a negative asset, but not everything thinks that. There's a reason I had to pay this much to get him! |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 10, 2016 2:47:57 GMT
Interesting trade. In terms of what each team is trying to do, the Jazz when this one by a large amount. Mirotic is not good at defense either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 2:54:04 GMT
Interesting trade. In terms of what each team is trying to do, the Jazz when this one by a large amount. Mirotic is not good at defense either. >not good at defense lol how many times have you watched him this year he is one of their hardest working defenders and plays great help and switch and guards well inside and outside |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 10, 2016 3:34:19 GMT
Interesting trade. In terms of what each team is trying to do, the Jazz when this one by a large amount. Mirotic is not good at defense either. >not good at defense lol how many times have you watched him this year he is one of their hardest working defenders and plays great help and switch and guards well inside and outside Doesn't mean he is good at defense. I don't like him at all. Mirotics contract is complete shit and so is his game. He got way too much hype and you overpaid. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 3:44:20 GMT
>not good at defense lol how many times have you watched him this year he is one of their hardest working defenders and plays great help and switch and guards well inside and outside Doesn't mean he is good at defense. I don't like him at all. Mirotics contract is complete shit and so is his game. He got way too much hype and you overpaid. smh i wish LA hadn't made me pay so much for him; because his game isnt bad. He'll live up to this contract; i'm quite sure of it... but he's easily my best player on this tanking squad |
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jan 10, 2016 3:45:35 GMT
To be fair, other teams were willing to pay what Adam paid for Mirotic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 3:54:34 GMT
Mirotic is 9th among power forward in points saved at the rim this season.
He has a positive DBPM (its higher than his OBPM which is also positive). He finishes at the rim 64.5% of the time...
It's his second year in the league and the Chicago bulls were shit at the beginning of the year, Mirotic has been heating up lately and he moved to SF a few games ago and has been on a roll since then. Your poisoning of the well might cause this trade to not go through, but it's not ridiculous.
I paid a lot, but that doesn't mean he isn't or won't be the player to handle that type of salary.
He is 24 years old. Would you rather have 16M in cap space doing nothing or having a 24 year old PF who has shown ability on both sides of the court, is getting better, and is in a system tailor designed for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 3:56:09 GMT
If this trade doesn't go through fine, but I have 3-4 other teams who also have given me offers for Mirotic that isn't me paying to get rid of him. So kindly don't spam every trade thread with him in it about how much you think he isnt worth the deal. Some people think he is worth negative, some people think he is worth positive. We get you think he is worth negative. It's an opinion, so talking to Larry like you think he is stupid if he accepts this deal isn't cool. Unless you think the 3-4 other GMs who have given me offers for him are also clearly stupid?
Cleveland is upset I didn't give him Mirotic!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 4:05:30 GMT
For example... tonight Mirotic got the start at SF and went 24-10 with 2 blocks; 5-9 from 3; 8 of 17 from the field.
His yearlong numbers are not indicative of how is can play or will play going forward. It's how I can tell you don't watch Bulls games.
He has the potential he just needs to put it together and his ceiling is more than 16M a year.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 10, 2016 10:26:38 GMT
It's still over two weeks in-game-time until Mirotic can be traded (Dec 15th deadline). This already happened once before this season in this three way deal. I feel like the rule should be that GMs should not be allowed to even submit a trade until the December 15th deadline has passed if they're trading one of those players who signed last OSFA, otherwise it's like the deadline barely exists. In the meantime this trade is an odd one. What's Indiana's plan long-term? edit: Considering the huge difference in salary between Leuer and Mirotic it looks like a shot in the foot for Indy. I'm willing to accept but it'd be good to hear from Indy first. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 10, 2016 13:27:38 GMT
I am okay with it going through, but Indy confuses me with all of his trades. Is he trying to win? Is he trying to lose? I have no idea what his plan is.
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Cleveland Cavaliers
I thought we have an agreement already.
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