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Post by James Kay on Dec 13, 2015 19:43:19 GMT
Current:78
Suggested: 73
Never been able to replicate his NOLA days, he's averaging 7 and 4 with atrocious D and abysmal shooting, can't even get the start over MCW who's also sucking
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Post by Sam Bowie on Dec 13, 2015 19:45:48 GMT
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Post by James Kay on Dec 13, 2015 19:53:19 GMT
Haha touché, a few solid games can't change the fact he has been underwhelming this year |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 13, 2015 20:12:22 GMT
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 13, 2015 21:04:31 GMT
Updated mine to 75.5
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Dec 14, 2015 0:09:18 GMT
This is getting illogical already. Two things to consider here. He is playing in a new system and he is still young! So you are telling me a 28 years old player losses 4 skills points worth of skills in real life?  ? Really??? Seriously??? Come on guys! We need to evaluate skills, not the performances of the players! Instead of using the performance as a tool to evaluate skills you are using it already to quantify the skills!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 1:07:35 GMT
Vasquez is good. he was good last year, and would be good this year if Kidd didn't have his head so far up his own & MCW's ass.
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Post by James Kay on Dec 14, 2015 1:29:18 GMT
This is getting illogical already. Two things to consider here. He is playing in a new system and he is still young! So you are telling me a 28 years old player losses 4 skills points worth of skills in real life? ? Really??? Seriously??? Come on guys! We need to evaluate skills, not the performances of the players! Instead of using the performance as a tool to evaluate skills you are using it already to quantify the skills!! What are you even talking about? 28 years old is way long enough to evaluate a player. He hasn't done anything noteworthy in years. Be realistic. In fact, he should possibly even be lower and this decrease is LONG overdue. |
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Post by James Kay on Dec 14, 2015 1:37:11 GMT
Vasquez is good. he was good last year, and would be good this year if Kidd didn't have his head so far up his own & MCW's ass. 78 Oh, last year's 9 and 4 on 40% shooting and sub-par defense now qualifies as good for you, OK. The same stats he averaged the year before. How is this player a 78?? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 1:43:46 GMT
Vasquez is good. he was good last year, and would be good this year if Kidd didn't have his head so far up his own & MCW's ass. 78 Oh, last year's 9 and 4 on 40% shooting and sub-par defense now qualifies as good for you, OK. The same stats he averaged the year before. How is this player a 78?? I mean he can't make a layup, but does everything else on the offensive side of the floor well... limits turnovers, rebounds, assists, scores from 10+ at a 45% clip. *shrugs* |
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Post by James Kay on Dec 14, 2015 1:59:13 GMT
Oh, last year's 9 and 4 on 40% shooting and sub-par defense now qualifies as good for you, OK. The same stats he averaged the year before. How is this player a 78?? I mean he can't make a layup, but does everything else on the offensive side of the floor well... limits turnovers, rebounds, assists, scores from 10+ at a 45% clip. *shrugs* He averages 3 turnovers per 36 minutes, not particularly impressive and definitely not "limiting turnovers" I guess 3.7 rebounds per 36 minutes is respectable? But who cares? He's a point guard, you're bound to get those by default as your team expects you to corral easy boards to lead the break His assists are honestly decent, getting like 5-7 per 36 minutes over the past few years, but that's really not enough to make up for the rest of his game And yeah, he scores at a 45% clip from 10+ feet but takes such a minimal amount of his shots from that area that it's negligible - under twenty percent of his shots are between 10-3PA, and his 3p% this year is horrendous, compared to his average at best 3P% of the rest of his career. Plus advanved stats do not care for him, he's got a PER of nine lol negative OPM DPM VORP What do you see in this guy? He's a slightly above average passer. Don't see why he has to be a 78 |
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Post by Sam Bowie on Dec 14, 2015 2:40:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 2:42:33 GMT
I mean he can't make a layup, but does everything else on the offensive side of the floor well... limits turnovers, rebounds, assists, scores from 10+ at a 45% clip. *shrugs* He averages 3 turnovers per 36 minutes, not particularly impressive and definitely not "limiting turnovers" I guess 3.7 rebounds per 36 minutes is respectable? But who cares? He's a point guard, you're bound to get those by default as your team expects you to corral easy boards to lead the break His assists are honestly decent, getting like 5-7 per 36 minutes over the past few years, but that's really not enough to make up for the rest of his game And yeah, he scores at a 45% clip from 10+ feet but takes such a minimal amount of his shots from that area that it's negligible - under twenty percent of his shots are between 10-3PA, and his 3p% this year is horrendous, compared to his average at best 3P% of the rest of his career. Plus advanved stats do not care for him, he's got a PER of nine lol negative OPM DPM VORP What do you see in this guy? He's a slightly above average passer. Don't see why he has to be a 78 I think it really depends on the team he is on, and what he is being asked to do. IMO his sample size this year is just too small (he has been DTD almost all year too) to change a rating on, and last year I would've given him a 78. If you put Vasquez on the Warriors, he'd be like the 2nd or 3rd person off the bench, and his stats would be much better than they are now. I think the 7-8th player on the bench of a championship team is right around a 78. Also, he has been nursing an ankle injury all year. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Dec 14, 2015 5:35:22 GMT
This is getting illogical already. Two things to consider here. He is playing in a new system and he is still young! So you are telling me a 28 years old player losses 4 skills points worth of skills in real life? ? Really??? Seriously??? Come on guys! We need to evaluate skills, not the performances of the players! Instead of using the performance as a tool to evaluate skills you are using it already to quantify the skills!! What are you even talking about? 28 years old is way long enough to evaluate a player. He hasn't done anything noteworthy in years. Be realistic. In fact, he should possibly even be lower and this decrease is LONG overdue. Evaluate the skills of the player, instead of putting a value/ratings on his current performance. Just want to remind you that he is playing on a struggling team right now. A team that does not give him enough breathing room to take better outside shots. A team that is pretty clog because of lack of shooting. And by the way, shooting is the slowest skill to diminish. A 12% decrease from 38% does not mean that his three-point shooting skills also decreased by almost 1/3. There are other things to consider. The team that he is playing with, injuries, chemistry and etc. I am not saying that we do a whole-day research on each player but it is still much much better that we don't conclude the overall skill of a player on his current performance alone. I am not only referring to this player but to all players. |
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Post by Alex English on Dec 14, 2015 5:51:28 GMT
I think he's worth like a 76-77. He's a solid player offensively. He did a lot of good things for the Raptors off the bench and often provided an immediate boost in scoring. He's definitely a decent back up point guard. Total shit on defense though.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Dec 14, 2015 19:08:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 18:02:48 GMT
Vasquez just had surgery on his ankle that has been ailing him all season...
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