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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 3:30:51 GMT
THEORY:
1. Tiered Free Agents
Separate the free agents into 3 tiers. Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier 3.
Tier 1 and Tier 2 will be handled by player agents. Tier 3 will be blind bidding by PMing your offer to an outside account accessible to someone who is not a GM (Sam Bowie, a trusted waitlister, etc).
2. Weekly Announce times
Tier 1 will begin at a set time, and end at a set time. At the ending all player decisions will be revealed. I.E. the top 15 players and agents will entertain offers for 1-2 weeks, and then at the end of the set time the destinations of the players will be revealed. Then tier 2 will begin, repeat.
3. Revealed Vote on FA Destinations
The Player agents will narrow down the offers to free agents to two teams, and the entire player agent committee will vote on the teams and that will be the destination. the votes will be published at the end of the timeslot for that free agent tier.
CONCRETE EXAMPLE:
June 20th Tier 1 Free Agents begin taking offers
June 29th Player agents narrow teams down to two
June 30th Player agent committee votes on where the players go
June 31st Tier 1 player locations and PA votes announced
July 1st Tier 2 Free Agents begin taking offers
July 9th Player agents narrow teams down to two
July 10th Player agent committee votes on where the players go
July 11th Tier 2 player locations and PA votes announced
July 12th Tier 3 Free Agency Begins. GMs PM their deal to an account called "NBAPA".
July 20th NBAPA account is opened and the players go to the highest bidder. All bids are legal and binding. You may not make a bid and then not honor it, although you are allowed to submit priority lists, i.e. if i win player x i do not want the bid for player y to count, i only want 2 players won etc.
If you submit multiple bids and the summation of those takes you over the salary cap, you get the players in the chronological order you put in the bids.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 3:32:16 GMT
All your problems have now been solved. You're welcome.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 16, 2015 13:13:17 GMT
Some good suggestions there. Me and the staff team are chatting about it ourselves as well. Thanks Mr Collins!
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 16, 2015 13:18:21 GMT
I kinda like the chaos of everything, and I think implementing a tier system makes it too unrealistic. I also think we do just fine with 5 player agents. Sure there has been some decisions I disagree with this year, but that happens in real life too. I think for the most part, we do an excellent job.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 16, 2015 13:19:09 GMT
Only change I would like to see implemented is to implement a 1 week moratorium like there is in real life. You can negotiate for a week, but nothing can be announced until a specific date. We kinda did that this year in D5, it just wasn't an official rule.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 16, 2015 13:44:56 GMT
I like the idea of tiers. Negotiating big name free agents is an absolutely huge job. If PAs are able to focus on just a few of them at a time it will make things a lot easier for us.
The tricky thing that nobody can really fix is that, if we really want to be realistic, some real-life Free Agent decisions do not make sense in the same way in which we address them. GMs will be angry if we do not choose a destination based on the criteria I've outlined in the OSFA guide, but it is nevertheless realistic for that to happen quite a lot of the time.
I suppose this is where some kind of PA consensus comes into it. Maybe the question should be proposed to PAs - is it feasible enough for a player to join <x> team? Instead of the question being which team ticks the most boxes to justify signing player <z>?
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 16, 2015 14:32:45 GMT
IMO
There is no problem with me if we will implement a systematic system for FA but too systematic means too unrealistic.
I still believe that increasing the number of PAs is the more simplier and more realistic one.
As what I have observe, the main problem this offseason is that the PAs holds too many FAs leading to questionable decisions. So the best solution should be to decrease their load and to that, we need to increase the number of PAs.
Add two more PA spots. 1. Handle the top 3 PA. 2. Handle the below 74.
We will maintain the realism, chaos while providing more time for the PAs to do research on their clients.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 16, 2015 16:54:02 GMT
IMO There is no problem with me if we will implement a systematic system for FA but too systematic means too unrealistic. I still believe that increasing the number of PAs is the more simplier and more realistic one. As what I have observe, the main problem this offseason is that the PAs holds too many FAs leading to questionable decisions. So the best solution should be to decrease their load and to that, we need to increase the number of PAs. Add two more PA spots. 1. Handle the top 3 PA. 2. Handle the below 74. We will maintain the realism, chaos while providing more time for the PAs to do research on their clients. This is actually a pretty good idea. I just want to see them sign the players in a timely manner. The moratorium would help with this actually I think.
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Post by Alex English on Jul 16, 2015 18:59:37 GMT
I kinda like the chaos of everything, and I think implementing a tier system makes it too unrealistic. I also think we do just fine with 5 player agents. Sure there has been some decisions I disagree with this year, but that happens in real life too. I think for the most part, we do an excellent job. I mostly agree with Josh here, I don't think we should be over complicating things. I think any kind of tier system should end with two tiers: Star Players (decided on in a separate way) and Non-Star Players (decided on the same way things are done now). It does make some sense to have the top guys go first, that's kind of how it goes in the NBA because people will be waiting to see how the market develops for them, but I think any kind of permanent schedule of when certain guys go would be too much.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 16, 2015 21:58:36 GMT
Without reading everything here besides the first post....
I agree with some things, disagree with others. I don't think there needs to be tiers. I don't think there needs to be a designated time period.
I do agree that there should be some sort of voting within the PA's about a player's decision. This is a check on the power of just having one lone PA. I also agree that there needs to be a moratorium period; that allows us to wait and see what the RL FA's do and for us to mimic some of their moves.
I think the PA's already do a good job on waiting. I just think that their moves need to be more realistic. The player personalities need to be matched up better. I get that their is a guide as to what the FA wants, but right now, everyone has cap. Every bidding team likely has a starting spot. Most teams in the West are close, and the East is liked because it is easy.
The FA Want list is just too open right now. All of those things can be offered to most players. And that is where the personality needs to come in to play.
I agree with Barber, I do like the chaos. There doesn't need to be this organized system. Just some more PA's, some checks on their power by voting (and seeing these votes w/ comments after they are done), they wait just fine but need to wait and mimic some realism with contracts (example, some teams in RL didn't need to add in 8 POs to sign a guy, but in here we had to).
All in all, OSFA is what it is. But we can improve it, like we can improve all things. I just want the league to be better. And I think with some changes, the most important aspect of our league can be improved upon.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 17, 2015 0:44:33 GMT
I kinda like the chaos of everything, and I think implementing a tier system makes it too unrealistic. I also think we do just fine with 5 player agents. Sure there has been some decisions I disagree with this year, but that happens in real life too. I think for the most part, we do an excellent job. I mostly agree with Josh here, I don't think we should be over complicating things. I think any kind of tier system should end with two tiers: Star Players (decided on in a separate way) and Non-Star Players (decided on the same way things are done now). It does make some sense to have the top guys go first, that's kind of how it goes in the NBA because people will be waiting to see how the market develops for them, but I think any kind of permanent schedule of when certain guys go would be too much. That is also what I believe until this offseason came where some bench players signed immediately. Or in the case of Chandler, he signed with Suns without even talking to other teams.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 18, 2015 23:27:53 GMT
I already solved all this with my post soooo.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 28, 2015 13:10:57 GMT
Me and the staff are chatting about what to do for next year's OSFA to help improve it and avoid some of the crap we had this year.
One of the things we're sort of agreed upon is that, on some decisions for big-name FAs or potentially controversial decisions, the Player Agents will post a thread in the Staff section for the other Player Agents to review, I will also involve a randomly selected GM out of all of us to give their opinion on which offer/s they feel to be the best for the signing, and there will be a discussion before a signing takes place. I will try to ensure the randomly selected GM is a different GM each time. Most of all this is to help transparency because it seems to me that even the level-headed GMs feel like there's some kind of conspiracy going on.
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