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Post by Alex English on Jun 16, 2012 18:42:15 GMT
I guess I'll start off this thread with a no brainer. Tiago Splitter is a 68 and I don't think it's much of a question whether or not he deserves and increase. This year he averaged: 9.3 ppg, 5.2 rpg and 0.8 bpg in only 19 minutes per game That comes out to 17, 10 and 1.5 per 36 minutes. For you advanced statistics people he had a 20.5 PER, 0.197 win shares/48 and then a 117 Offense rating and a 102 Defensive rating. I'm sure a lot of you guys at least know about the PER stat and that anything above 20 is really good but if you don't know what you're looking at I promise you those are all very good numbers. When Tim Duncan finally hangs em up Splitter will breakout but right now he is kind of like a Brandon Bass (78) or Glen Davis (79) I guess. He has similar stats to those guys, especially Davis who also averaged 9 and 5 but in 23 minutes. So I think he deserves about a 10 point increase and should be rated about 77-78. Splitter's stats page: www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/splitti01.html |
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Post by Jackie Moon on Jun 16, 2012 19:00:52 GMT
If I remember correctly, they said that they would adjust ratings once the season was over.
But I agree that he deserves an increase. 10 points though? Idk. Seems more like the guys you named would get a decrease rather than him getting such an increase.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 16, 2012 19:15:02 GMT
Yea I was wondering if something like that was said because noone had posted in here yet. But I PMed Ian and he said we can post in here and he was surprised too that nobody had yet.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 16, 2012 19:31:08 GMT
But I agree that he deserves an increase. 10 points though? Idk. Seems more like the guys you named would get a decrease rather than him getting such an increase. Here is an expanded list of mid/high 70s rated PFs 79 Kenyon Martin 79 Tyrus Thomas 79 Glen Davis 78 Brandon Bass 78 Bismack Biyombo 78 Channing Frye 78 Taj Gibson 78 Carl Landry 77 Kris Humphries 77 Anthony Randolph 77 Jason Maxiell 77 Charlie Villanueva 77 Markieff Morris 77 Dejuan Blair 76 Marreese Speights 76 Drew Gooden 76 Derrick Favors 76 Udonis Haslem 76 Amir Johnson 76 Tristan Thompson 76 Andris Biedrins 75 Nick Collison 75 Jason Smith 75 Jason Thompson 75 Hakim Warrick We also just gave Chris Wilcox a 74 and Splitter is much better than him. Looking at that list I don't think Bass and Davis deserve a decrease. I'd say this is just the market for post players. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 17, 2012 13:33:14 GMT
I'll update ratings mid-season. Already did it for Jermaine O'Neal, Jeff Green etc.
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Post by Danny Longley on Jul 14, 2012 10:31:33 GMT
Curious about your definition of mid-season. mid-season IRL or mid-season D5?
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 15, 2012 10:13:58 GMT
Mid season D5. But actually I'll just update them as/when I get the time available.
When it comes to changing player ratings we always do it very conservatively, which frustrates some GMs but I think it's important.
I personally feel that Splitter doesn't deserve to go above 76. You can't judge a player on their per-36 minutes production by itself imho.
I would certainly support a raise to around 73 for now though. If he continues to improve/maintain his level of play maybe it could go higher of course.
Certainly looking for input from others though.
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Post by Alex English on Jul 15, 2012 13:45:07 GMT
I personally feel that Splitter doesn't deserve to go above 76. You can't judge a player on their per-36 minutes production by itself imho. I would certainly support a raise to around 73 for now though. If he continues to improve/maintain his level of play maybe it could go higher of course. I don't see how Splitter can get a rating below 75. We set precedent with Chris Wilcox giving him a 74 and I don't think it is much of a debate whether or not Splitter is better than him. We also gave Jermaine O'neal a 75 and I'd say he is better than him too since he hasn't done a whole lot in the last few years besides be injured. So I think Splitter at 75 is the bare minimum for his increase. I understand not basing too much on per 36 numbers but being as conservative as possible that's still how I see it. |
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Post by Danny Longley on Jul 15, 2012 14:10:25 GMT
I think Splitter should be rated 75. As Denver said, He's already arguably more productive than the Free Agents that were added. Polished Big-Man, just really lacking minutes at the moment. When Pop lets him roam free, then I think that's when the 76+ talk should start.
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on Jul 15, 2012 14:21:52 GMT
I'm on the 75 bandwagon!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 15:36:04 GMT
I think he should be a 60 at best, he sucks and you can tell just by watching him. The only reason he has good stats is because San Antonio has such poor big men, I mean he CHOKED against OKC in the playoffs.
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Post by Alex English on Jul 15, 2012 15:40:24 GMT
I think he should be a 60 at best, he sucks and you can tell just by watching him. The only reason he has good stats is because San Antonio has such poor big men, I mean he CHOKED against OKC in the playoffs. Haha wow man, you have an irrational hatred of San Antonio. I still want to see this list of 40 players who are better than Tim Duncan. It's a far cry from 100+ but still. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 16:14:59 GMT
I think he should be a 60 at best, he sucks and you can tell just by watching him. The only reason he has good stats is because San Antonio has such poor big men, I mean he CHOKED against OKC in the playoffs. Haha wow man, you have an irrational hatred of San Antonio. I still want to see this list of 40 players who are better than Tim Duncan. It's a far cry from 100+ but still. I am glad you brought Timmy up because 3 YEARS 34 MILLION IS A F***ING JOKE FOR HIM AT HIS AGE!!!!!!!! People talk about he is a great team player, THEN TAKE YOUR 3 TO 5 MILLION AND HELP THE TEAM WIN!!!!!!! Do you know how good the Spurs could be if Duncan and Pop would just get over themselves? I read Dennis Rodman's book on the flight to the Northeast, and while he is crazy at times, I find him to be insightful in certain areas. His thoughts on Pop coincide with my personal opinion of him; he is a dog. Players Better than Timmy: (in no order) Michael Jordan Wilt Chamberlain Bill Russell Shaquille O’Neal Oscar Robertson Magic Johnson Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Larry Bird Kobe Bryant Jerry West Elgin Baylor Hakeem Olajuwon Bob Petit Moses Malone Julius Erving John Havlicek Karl Malone Isiah Thomas Charles Barkley Rick Barry Elvin Hayes Bob Cousy David Robinson Kevin McHale Scottie Pippen Jason Kidd George Mikan Kevin Garnett LeBron James Wes Unseld Walt Frazier Patrick Ewing Allen Iverson Gary Payton Clyde Drexler Dave Cowens George Gervin Earl Monroe Dwyane Wade Reggie Miller Dirk Nowitzki James Worthy Bob Lanier Robert Parish Alonzo Mourning Bill Walton Joe Dumars Dikembe Mutombo Total: 48 (and I am sure I left some people off) Sure, Duncan was good in his prime, but it's been about 7 years since he has done much. GET OVER HIM!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Alex English on Jul 15, 2012 16:42:46 GMT
I don't want to derail this thread much more so I'll just say this. Do you know how good the Spurs could be if Duncan and Pop would just get over themselves? They won 4 championships in 9 years and have 13 straight 50 win seasons, that includes this year's shortened season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 16:45:44 GMT
I don't want to derail this thread much more so I'll just say this. Do you know how good the Spurs could be if Duncan and Pop would just get over themselves? They won 4 championships in 9 years and have 13 straight 50 win seasons, that includes this year's shortened season. THE SPURS won 4 championships in 9 years. Parker and Manu carried those last 2 rings, not Timmy. Heck, the 2003 team had STEPHEN JACKSON on it. As far as Pop, it is harder to make the argument because so many NBA Coaches suck. He is better than most NBA Coaches, but he could be a lot better if he would get his head out of his ass. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 15, 2012 16:48:48 GMT
I personally feel that Splitter doesn't deserve to go above 76. You can't judge a player on their per-36 minutes production by itself imho. I would certainly support a raise to around 73 for now though. If he continues to improve/maintain his level of play maybe it could go higher of course. I don't see how Splitter can get a rating below 75. We set precedent with Chris Wilcox giving him a 74 and I don't think it is much of a debate whether or not Splitter is better than him. We also gave Jermaine O'neal a 75 and I'd say he is better than him too since he hasn't done a whole lot in the last few years besides be injured. So I think Splitter at 75 is the bare minimum for his increase. I understand not basing too much on per 36 numbers but being as conservative as possible that's still how I see it. Like I said, we change ratings conservatively. Whilst Wilcox gets a 74 and O'Neal a 75, that's because they're declining. They should probably go a lot lower than that, a LOT lower, but when changing ratings it's important to do it conservatively. We shouldn't be just directly comparing numbers and saying "therefore Splitter should be above them". It doesn't work like that. |
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Post by Otis Smith on Jul 29, 2012 22:26:41 GMT
Haha wow man, you have an irrational hatred of San Antonio. I still want to see this list of 40 players who are better than Tim Duncan. It's a far cry from 100+ but still. I am glad you brought Timmy up because 3 YEARS 34 MILLION IS A F***ING JOKE FOR HIM AT HIS AGE!!!!!!!! People talk about he is a great team player, THEN TAKE YOUR 3 TO 5 MILLION AND HELP THE TEAM WIN!!!!!!! Do you know how good the Spurs could be if Duncan and Pop would just get over themselves? I read Dennis Rodman's book on the flight to the Northeast, and while he is crazy at times, I find him to be insightful in certain areas. His thoughts on Pop coincide with my personal opinion of him; he is a dog. Players Better than Timmy: (in no order) Michael Jordan Wilt Chamberlain Bill Russell Shaquille O’Neal Oscar Robertson Magic Johnson Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Larry Bird Kobe Bryant Jerry West Elgin Baylor Hakeem Olajuwon Bob Petit Moses Malone Julius Erving John Havlicek Karl Malone Isiah Thomas Charles Barkley Rick Barry Elvin Hayes Bob Cousy David Robinson Kevin McHale Scottie Pippen Jason Kidd George Mikan Kevin Garnett LeBron James Wes Unseld Walt Frazier Patrick Ewing Allen Iverson Gary Payton Clyde Drexler Dave Cowens George Gervin Earl Monroe Dwyane Wade Reggie Miller Dirk Nowitzki James Worthy Bob Lanier Robert Parish Alonzo Mourning Bill Walton Joe Dumars Dikembe Mutombo Total: 48 (and I am sure I left some people off) Sure, Duncan was good in his prime, but it's been about 7 years since he has done much. GET OVER HIM!!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry to derail the thread, but you have to be trolling??? In his prime Duncan was putting up Hall-fame worthy stats like 02 where he put up 25-12-4 with a 57% true shooting and this when David Robinson was decomposing and there was no Parker or Ginobli yet. He was just as good the next year where he literally put on a one-man show and led them to the Championship and got the Season and Finals MVP. I hated the spurs growing up but even in my most delusional state I never thought there 40 players in NBA history who was better than Timmy D (really Dikembe Mutombo wtf). |
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Aug 8, 2012 4:38:34 GMT
Haha wow man, you have an irrational hatred of San Antonio. I still want to see this list of 40 players who are better than Tim Duncan. It's a far cry from 100+ but still. I am glad you brought Timmy up because 3 YEARS 34 MILLION IS A F***ING JOKE FOR HIM AT HIS AGE!!!!!!!! People talk about he is a great team player, THEN TAKE YOUR 3 TO 5 MILLION AND HELP THE TEAM WIN!!!!!!! Do you know how good the Spurs could be if Duncan and Pop would just get over themselves? I read Dennis Rodman's book on the flight to the Northeast, and while he is crazy at times, I find him to be insightful in certain areas. His thoughts on Pop coincide with my personal opinion of him; he is a dog. Players Better than Timmy: (in no order) Michael Jordan Wilt Chamberlain Bill Russell Shaquille O’Neal Oscar Robertson Magic Johnson Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Larry Bird Kobe Bryant Jerry West Elgin Baylor Hakeem Olajuwon Bob Petit Moses Malone Julius Erving John Havlicek Karl Malone Isiah Thomas Charles Barkley Rick Barry Elvin Hayes Bob Cousy David Robinson Kevin McHale Scottie Pippen Jason Kidd George Mikan Kevin Garnett LeBron James Wes Unseld Walt Frazier Patrick Ewing Allen Iverson Gary Payton Clyde Drexler Dave Cowens George Gervin Earl Monroe Dwyane Wade Reggie Miller Dirk Nowitzki James Worthy Bob Lanier Robert Parish Alonzo Mourning Bill Walton Joe Dumars Dikembe Mutombo Total: 48 (and I am sure I left some people off) Sure, Duncan was good in his prime, but it's been about 7 years since he has done much. GET OVER HIM!!!!!!!!!! How can you forget Brian Scalabrine?  |
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Post by Otis Smith on Nov 4, 2012 18:52:38 GMT
Bumping this thread since I don't want to make another thread for Splitter.
I feel Splitter should be in the mid-70s and his play in the last year or so shows that. He is not the most mobile big but has already proven he is a good defender and reliable rebounder. He is decent on the post and depending on the match up can score at an efficient rate.
Centers like Dalembert and Camby are 78 & 80 respectively and its pretty obvious that Splitter is better than both those guys at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2012 19:20:32 GMT
Bumping this thread since I don't want to make another thread for Splitter. I feel Splitter should be in the mid-70s and his play in the last year or so shows that. He is not the most mobile big but has already proven he is a good defender and reliable rebounder. He is decent on the post and depending on the match up can score at an efficient rate. Centers like Dalembert and Camby are 78 & 80 respectively and its pretty obvious that Splitter is better than both those guys at this point. He should be a 50. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Nov 4, 2012 19:20:34 GMT
I'd take Camby still (BEST rebound rate in the entire NBA last season)
But, I agree Splitter should be in the 73-74 area.
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Post by Otis Smith on Nov 4, 2012 20:06:39 GMT
I'd take Camby still (BEST rebound rate in the entire NBA last season) But, I agree Splitter should be in the 73-74 area. Camby at this point in his career is a horrible on defence (too old lost mobility) and his useless on offence. I think that with Splitter's ability to score in the paint and with his good defence he should be closer to 75-76. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Nov 4, 2012 21:42:11 GMT
I don't see how a guy who is too old and lost his mobility still has the best rebound rate in the entire NBA.
We'll let Camby play a bit this season to prove you wrong :-)
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jan 10, 2013 21:09:05 GMT
Whats the scoop with Splitter? Is he gonna get an upgrade?
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Jan 10, 2013 21:34:00 GMT
73-75 is fine with me.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 31, 2014 14:09:54 GMT
bump. should have been 79 for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 14:30:18 GMT
Have to love the thread. DIVAC was stating that there were at least 50 players better than Duncan. That he was old and done. This is when I had him I believe. Funny thing is he's still a beast. His team gets what they need from him and they have been to the finals since. And right now they have the best record in the NBA IRL.
You were do wrong bud....lol
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Mar 31, 2014 17:06:34 GMT
Have to love the thread. DIVAC was stating that there were at least 50 players better than Duncan. That he was old and done. This is when I had him I believe. Funny thing is he's still a beast. His team gets what they need from him and they have been to the finals since. And right now they have the best record in the NBA IRL. You were do wrong bud....lol Vlade has always had a hatred for Timmy. What a shame... |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 31, 2014 17:35:28 GMT
I would give Tiago a 79 easy, he's much better than he used to be. He went from being a big overpaid oaf to being a pretty decently skilled and ok paid oaf over the last few years.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 31, 2014 23:37:49 GMT
75
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