Marc Gasol Negotiations with the Kings

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I am going to post screen shots of the conversation Alex and I had when trying to negotiate with Marc Gasol to let the league decide whether or not he acted in good faith.

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[Clyde Drexler]

Sorry Vlade, but the messages seem fine to me.

Hell, Bryan and Danny made me think Wall and LMA were on their way out.

[JR Wiles]

Jul 10, 2015 11:34:11 GMT Clyde Drexler said:

Sorry Vlade, but the messages seem fine to me.

Hell, Bryan and Danny made me think Wall and LMA were on their way out.

I feel for Vlade I do. But at least Vlade did ask out..but he did quit. He should have signed with the Kings anyhow, and the Kings should have hired a new GM. That would have been the fair thing to do. No reason to hurt a team, just because he withdrew an offer. The kings will now suck and it will be hard to find a loyal GM. Not to mention he could have signed with Lakers or Mavs before going to Mr. Cheaters team!!  That would have made sense. Now we lose a gm, fuck over one of our teams and reward a gm who is known for cheating or screwing others over. Overall a bad decision by the PAs...in general..

[Clyde Drexler]

Jul 10, 2015 11:41:37 GMT JR Wiles said:

Jul 10, 2015 11:34:11 GMT Clyde Drexler said:

Sorry Vlade, but the messages seem fine to me.

Hell, Bryan and Danny made me think Wall and LMA were on their way out.

I feel for Vlade I do. But at least Vlade did ask out..but he did quit. He should have signed with the Kings anyhow, and the Kings should have hired a new GM. That would have been the fair thing to do. No reason to hurt a team, just because he withdrew an offer. The kings will now suck and it will be hard to find a loyal GM. Not to mention he could have signed with Lakers or Mavs before going to Mr. Cheaters team!!  That would have made sense. Now we lose a gm, fuck over one of our teams and reward a gm who is known for cheating or screwing others over. Overall a bad decision by the PAs...in general..

Vlade should have kept with his offer and Gasol would have returned.

I feel for Vlade as well.

[Kevin Hollis]

After reading the conversation, I wanted to mention three things.

1. Vlade, I am on your side with this whole thing, but you can't threaten to quit to sign a free agent - this would set a bad precedent.

2. Just so we are clear, Alex said that he will not let Vlade sit idly and say "I will match any other teams offer". My problem with this is that this is exactly what the Bucks did with Chandler Parsons and Walt was okay with it, bird rights or not. Offering a contract shows what you think the player is worth, I think this would help PAs get an idea of how serious the team is in wanting a particular player. I didn't just send Alex a message saying, "I will match any teams offer for Cousins, when does he sign?". I think there has to be consistency in how all players are handled. In my opinion, I think it is kind of dumb for a player agent not to tell other team's offers when it is a close race. I am absolutely positive agents in real life tell other teams what others have offered to use it as leverage to strike a deal the FA wants.

3. There seems like there is some tension between Vlade and Alex. I haven't paid too much attention, but by the convo it seems they aren't thrilled with one another. I think this should be taken into place during FA. We can't let a player agent control a free agent on a team where that PA argues and does not get a long, to a degree, with the current GM. It's called internal controls - D5 can improve a lot to make controls in certain areas, one being free agency.

[Walt Frazier]

I did mention in one thread that was what Glenn had done so far in the Parsons negotiations, but I didn't say I was "OK with it" necessarily. I do often let teams match contracts, but I know earlier this offseason I sort of forced Charles to give me an actual contact on at least one of the players he was after.

I'll likely be doing the same with Glenn on Parsons shortly.

[Larry Bird]

The only thing I keep thinking about is competitive balance.
How does Gasol going to Milwaukee where they already have a starting center in Drummond make more teams capable of chasing the championship. He should have went back to Sacramento where it would have made the league more competitive.

[Clyde Drexler]

Jul 10, 2015 12:19:46 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

3. There seems like there is some tension between Vlade and Alex. I haven't paid too much attention, but by the convo it seems they aren't thrilled with one another. I think this should be taken into place during FA. We can't let a player agent control a free agent on a team where that PA argues and does not get a long, to a degree, with the current GM. It's called internal controls - D5 can improve a lot to make controls in certain areas, one being free agency.

Yeah I definitely know what you mean by this, felt like there was a little tension - but not enough to devalue Alex as an agent.

[Kevin Hollis]

Jul 10, 2015 12:25:20 GMT Walt Frazier said:

I did mention in one thread that was what Glenn had done so far in the Parsons negotiations, but I didn't say I was "OK with it" necessarily. I do often let teams match contracts, but I know earlier this offseason I sort of forced Charles to give me an actual contact on at least one of the players he was after.

I'll likely be doing the same with Glenn on Parsons shortly.

True, and fair enough. I just don't believe a gm should be allowed to say that. 

[JR Wiles]

Jul 10, 2015 11:58:47 GMT Clyde Drexler said:

Jul 10, 2015 11:41:37 GMT JR Wiles said:

Vlade should have kept with his offer and Gasol would have returned.

I feel for Vlade as well.

That's not a guarantee, no matter how you look at it. If he was resigning, Blade should have been told and not messed with about the possibility of him not staying. Vlade made a huge move to make things happen and to keep him. How would any of you feel if you thought there was a chance you did everything for nothing and your team was about to be shit. Just because everyone's saying now, after the situation and the signing with Mr. Cheaters team..that he would have resigned...

Nothing is guaranteed. And again he should have signed with one of 3 teams before signing with the Bucks.

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I bid on SF and PF and Danny and Walt let me know exactly what was going, even if I didn't agree with at least I understood. Alex remained so cryptic that it made suspicious of his intentions. If you really read the messages, it's like what? He would have let my offer stay at $105,000,000 if I had pushed him on it. I thought we wanted to avoid Josh Smith situations?

PS. JR, I love your signature!

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

To summarize it, Vlade cannot take it anymore and decided to rescind. While the second best choice is Milwaukee so he chose MIL.

Vlade and Alex is really not on good terms but both of them tried their hardest to remain professional.

Alex is obviously not cheating because:
1. He made a thread in staff section
2. It seems they are only two choices so when option A rescinded, option B is the only one left. (IT SEEMS I AM WRONG WITH THIS)

So in short the signing is LEGAL!

I did not read the whole Marc Gasol thread but I do know that Glenn have been shopping Drummond for a while so I think the agreement is for Andre to actually be move,so to clean up some mess here, Glenn should move Drummond.Even if there is only two choices that was left, it does not mean that the agreement of trading Andre should not be done.

Actually, the biggest reason of this problem is that Vlade got pissed off but I do understand his situation, from the cheating upto his health problem, because he is only human. If he did not rescind, I am sure Marc will re-sign.

So what is the solution for this..

Its simple, lessen the load of the PAs. The negotiation should have been more smoothly if Alex not handling that much number of players. How?

We should add two more FAs.
One of them will handle the top 5 rated FAs, regardless of position.
The second one will handle the 70 to 75.

[Kevin Hollis]

I like the idea of adding to the PAs. Once I read the process, I felt as though it should not be one person handling all of the people at one position. This is even greater for next year where a PA can pretty much decide what teams will suck and which ones will be good. Take a second and look at what next year's free agency will look like if the majority of players opt out of their contracts. FA is not going to be pretty next year and I think a committee of three people for each position would be fair. Have a majority vote on a player and sign off on the acquisition.

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I volunteer to arbitrate all free agency decisions.

You know me and how good I am at that type of stuff.

[Ian Noble]

Jul 10, 2015 13:04:20 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

We should add two more FAs.
One of them will handle the top 5 rated FAs, regardless of position.
The second one will handle the 70 to 75.

Not a bad idea!

[Andrei Kirilenko]

I agree that these negotiations look pretty standard. My real question is why Milwaukee was option #2 when they had Andre Drummond

[Ian Noble]

Jul 10, 2015 17:13:26 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I agree that these negotiations look pretty standard. My real question is why Milwaukee was option #2 when they had Andre Drummond

Because of the promise to move Drummond.

It's happened now, so I'm not going to void the signing of Gasol, but I don't like that approach either and for the future I've added this rule addition.

[Sam Bowie]

Jul 10, 2015 17:21:03 GMT Ian Noble said:

Because of the promise to move Drummond.

So what happens if he doesn't move him?

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Jul 10, 2015 17:31:54 GMT Sam Bowie said:

Jul 10, 2015 17:21:03 GMT Ian Noble said:

Because of the promise to move Drummond.

So what happens if he doesn't move him?

Marc Gasol will opt out.

[Sam Bowie]

That is meh. Gasol is on his prime right now. Even if Gasol stays for 1 season, Bucks end up winning. They could trade him if they want to before as well.

[JR Wiles]

Jul 10, 2015 17:31:54 GMT Sam Bowie said:

Jul 10, 2015 17:21:03 GMT Ian Noble said:

Because of the promise to move Drummond.

So what happens if he doesn't move him?

You can't make promises, when you can't even be fair to begin with.

Yes Ian, I was warned. But how am I suppose to just let this go. It has nothing to do with Duncan I understand.. But if he's cheated before...

If your going to fire me for picking on a cheater than I guess you would rather have a cheater, than a loyal active gm.

[JR Wiles]

He should at least have to trade him before the season. Let's add value to his team so he can say he's going to trade him and let him get even better. What's the penalty and time frame?

[JR Wiles]

I just hate the fact that sacs team hurts now.

[Sam Bowie]

About promises to trade players, I think it was really unfair while it lasted because some teams worked really hard during the season to free up cap space for the off-season. I mean, why make all that effort when you can just wait, make a promise and then, move the player to 1 of 20 teams with huge cap space desperate to make some moves.

[Sam Bowie]

Personally, I am talking about cap space and starting positions waiting to be filled. Like we worked really hard to trade Haywood, Orton and Brown's contract for not reason and Blake traded away Lin for free to have a starting position for someone else.