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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 7, 2015 1:26:58 GMT
Eric Bledsoe - Minnesota Timberwolves
(17.5 PTS - 5.6 AST - 3.0 REB - 1.59 SPG)
Eric accepts this deal knowing he will be the starting PG on the Minnesota Timberwolves. We understand Rubio is currently there starting PG but we currently we have an agreement with Walt Frazier that this will change once the season starts. Eric is very thankful for the opportunity to help the Minnesota Timberwolves bring a championship back home. It may not be this year or next but Eric was willing to accept the rebuilding phase of any team but made sure the team he picks will be able to compete soon. This is why he picked the Minnesota.
Eric accepts the following deal with the Minnesota Timberwolves
Year 1: $17,855,500 Year 2: $19,819,605 - Player Option Year 3: $21,999,761 Year 4: $24,419,735 - Player Option Year 5: $27,105,906
Total: 5 years, $111,200,507 |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 7, 2015 1:36:39 GMT
Great day here in Minnesota! Not only do we add a big time talent to our team, but this has to help convince Derrick to come back as well. I can't wait to put out a lineup of:
Bledsoe - Oladipo - Carroll - Favors - Okafor
With strong backups like Gorgui Dieng, Willie Cauley-Stein, Iman Shumpert, KJ McDaniels, Clint Capela, CJ McCollum, Jodie Meeks, etc, we think we're in a very good place going forward.
The Rubio situation will be dealt with, there are lots of possibilities there, but we'll have a great starting lineup and will be competitive as soon as this year and contenders as soon as Okafor establishes himself as a dominant big man.
Let's go Wolves!
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 7, 2015 1:57:07 GMT
It seems Rubio will be dealt.
By the way, great decision Eric.
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Post by Spike Lee on Jul 7, 2015 2:06:19 GMT
Good god.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 7, 2015 2:09:12 GMT
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jul 7, 2015 2:09:37 GMT
Did the Orlando Magic have any chance of signing him?
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 7, 2015 2:13:59 GMT
Did the Orlando Magic have any chance of signing him? at the stated in my PM to blake, yes but Orlando Magic in my opinion were a few years away from being elite. The only other team that was really in the running was the Boston Celtics. |
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jul 7, 2015 2:20:47 GMT
Why Boston?, lol. Also, didn't we offer considerable more money than what Bledsoe got? Didn't read the chats Blake got.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 7, 2015 2:30:56 GMT
Why Boston?, lol. Also, didn't we offer considerable more money than what Bledsoe got? Didn't read the chats Blake got. Just speaking as a long-time PA here, at some point the Money is no longer the deciding factor. Bryan asked me to up my offer at least once and I did, I matched what he told me was going to be the high offer for Eric. We have to, at some point, cap the contract to keep it realistic. Bryan decided this was going to be Eric's max contract right now so that's what he got him. |
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 7, 2015 2:35:27 GMT
Someone offered him 5 years 160
Yeah I caped the contract. If money was the only motive, different story
Why Boston? Same situation as wolves. Young and upcoming team that needed a few pieces to contend. I felt Walt team was a head of Ian team right now. I may be wrong but that's what I felt.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 7, 2015 2:40:56 GMT
Someone offered him 5 years 160 Yeah I caped the contract. If money was the only motive, different story Why Boston? Same situation as wolves. Young and upcoming team that needed a few pieces to contend. I felt Walt team was a head of Ian team right now. I may be wrong but that's what I felt. I kinda agree with Sam that at least ORL should be the 1st runner up in this. But your decision to sign with Minnesota is a great one. He got everything here, Money, Contendership, A chance to become the face of a franchise. |
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 7, 2015 2:44:14 GMT
Also to add this is what I told Houston
1. Looking for money
2. Wants to be the starting PG at any means necessary
3. Has depth to support Eric
4. Youth that would be ready to contend in 3 years (reason for player option in year 4)
So Minny check off everything from that list.
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Post by James Kay on Jul 7, 2015 3:54:18 GMT
Wow, great signing. Looks like it's safe to say that MIN is running away with this off-season so far. They basically traded Batum for Bledsoe and Carroll. Plus they added Jahlil Okafor and if I'm correct, still have about ~10 million in cap space. Great moves so far Walt.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 7, 2015 4:09:05 GMT
Wow, great signing. Looks like it's safe to say that MIN is running away with this off-season so far. They basically traded Batum for Bledsoe and Carroll. Plus they added Jahlil Okafor and if I'm correct, still have about ~10 million in cap space. Great moves so far Walt. Thank you sir! |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 7, 2015 4:10:24 GMT
Wow, great signing. Looks like it's safe to say that MIN is running away with this off-season so far. They basically traded Batum for Bledsoe and Carroll. Plus they added Jahlil Okafor and if I'm correct, still have about ~10 million in cap space. Great moves so far Walt. Thank you sir! Trading love and chandler have been worth it. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 7, 2015 4:13:28 GMT
Wow, great signing. Looks like it's safe to say that MIN is running away with this off-season so far. They basically traded Batum for Bledsoe and Carroll. Plus they added Jahlil Okafor and if I'm correct, still have about ~10 million in cap space. Great moves so far Walt. Assuming a Sal Cap of $67,100,000 next season (which, that could be higher, we'll know soon), I have $8,355,190 in cap space left after that trade and this signing. We'll see if there is anything that makes sense left out there on the market for our team. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 4:24:53 GMT
Did Houston possess a realistic chance at signing Bledsoe or did Rose scare him off?
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 7, 2015 4:29:03 GMT
This is a really bad deal. Lol, if he's healthy he uses his player option and makes 35-45 mil next season. If he's unhealthy you have Eric Gordon making 111 million.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 7, 2015 4:32:50 GMT
This is a really bad deal. Lol, if he's healthy he uses his player option and makes 35-45 mil next season. If he's unhealthy you have Eric Gordon making 111 million. Played 81 games last year. I haven't heard anything to scare me about injuries with Bledsoe. Always a risk for anyone but with the new salary cap increases I believe this to be more or less a fair contract. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 7, 2015 4:35:37 GMT
He's missed 40 games twice in 5 years.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 7, 2015 4:49:00 GMT
He's missed 40 games twice in 5 years. You consistently forget about the lockout season. He missed about 26 games or something like that in 2011, not 40+. Your argument would hold more water if he was hurt this past year but he looked pretty damn good so I'm not worried. |
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jul 7, 2015 5:44:46 GMT
Bledsoe - Oladipo - Carrol - Favors - Okafor
Fuck, if one of these players can become a star this will be an incredible team.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 7, 2015 6:23:42 GMT
I personally think this deal goes against a lot of the realism we strive to have in D5.
Before I expand on that statement, I will say that I am disappointed to see Eric chose a team besides the Rockets, as I am sure any other GM would be. But I feel the reasoning behind it is "dumb".
In the first PM I got from Bryan, he said Bledsoe wanted to be the starting PG, and right then and there, I knew I had lost him. And I moved on and formulated a new plan. Yeah, I still matched the contract Walt and the Timberwolves offered, but I knew I wouldn't retain his services.
No where in any point in Eric's career, collegiate or pro, has he cared about being the starting PG of a team. Nor has he cared about being "the guy". One would think that if a player wanted to be "the man" and establish himself at a position, he would have the opportunity to do so in college, if he were a highly touted recruit, as Eric was. Rather than supplant himself as "the guy" in to a college program, he chose Kentucky. Where not only would he not be "the man", because of the insane talent in the incoming class, but he wouldn't even be the starting PG, as Kentucky also brought in Wall that year.
Then, in the pro's, Eric wasn't caring to be the guy for the Clippers, and when he was traded to the Suns, he wasn't demanding of a starting PG role.
Instead, he signed his extension with the team, AFTER they had just signed a third PG to their roster. They had Dragic and Thomas, yet Bledsoe still signed. And with the Dragic-Bledsoe back court that saw so much success in the 2013-2014 season, Eric wasn't demanding to be the PG, he and Dragic shared the duties. Most people would say that Eric was the SG there.
The 2014-2015 season saw Thomas in the backcourt with Bledsoe and Dragic, Thomas IS a PG, or at least that is what he played his whole career up until that point. All 3 of them were scoring, combo guards. Dragic was traded to the Heat, where he IS the PG. Thomas was traded to the Celtics, where he IS the PG. Bledsoe never spoke up and wanted the PG duties, nor was he even asking for more minutes. Everything was fine.
Dragic and Thomas were traded mid-season, and Knight was brought in. It isn't like the Suns brought in a bonafide SG. They brought in another scoring PG for Bledsoe to share the duties with. And it looks like that will be the back court pairing heading in to the 2015-2016 season. Yet, not a peep from Bledsoe about wanting to be "the guy" or the sole PG of the team.
The money was equal, my team has just as much a chance of winning with Giannis, Nurkic, Warren, and whomever else I sign this off-seaosn. And then you throw in Love and Rose.
I just disagree with this signing. I think that Bryan portrayed Eric incorrectly. Unrealistically.
I am not salty, I just wish and hope that PA's take into account a player's real life personality when making their decisions in here. And I feel like Bryan portrayed Bledsoe as a selfish prima-donna who wanted to be the man and the starting PG when Eric has done nothing of the sort in real life, and has actually been ok with not being the sole PG, nor "the man" on a team, as seen by him signing a long term extension with a team who already had 2 PGs on the team and a bigger star in Dragic.
It was irrelevant that I even said if Bledsoe wanted to be the starting PG, he could be the starting PG. Positions are obsolete in this day and age of the NBA. You just have guys with skill sets. Each team prefers a different skill set to another. Labeling someone as a PG or as a Center is just living in the past in the NBA. I mean, what is Jabari? A 3 or a 4? Is he going to demand a starting SF spot when his position in the Bucks line-up isn't perfectly defined?
You have a guy who plays combo guard, in an unspecified position, for a team with 2 other combo guards IRL (now 1 in Knight), and he demands the PG spot and the face of the franchise? Just baffling to me. Throw in the fact that Walt is in LOVE with Rubio, and Rubio has been the starting PG for the T'Wolves for some time now, and Walt has yet to trade Rubio, and it is just mind boggling to me as to why Bledsoe would sign with the Timberwolves and why he would act in a such a way that is unbecoming of his RL persona.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 7, 2015 6:36:21 GMT
Damn I thought I might've brought some talent across to the East, unlucky for me considering I don't already have an all star point guard on my team, but Walt's lineup is in a better position to contend immediately, the chips have really fallen for him this off season!
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Post by Chris Mullin on Jul 7, 2015 8:33:05 GMT
Interesting that Bledsoe would choose to sign with a team that already has an established starting PG in Rubio, when one of the first reasons listed for the signing was that he wanted to be the starting PG. I don't see a huge difference in the 2 current situations in Minnesota & Houston so I figured the resigning team would have the slight edge here. Bledsoe is joining a young and talented team though so I can see the logic here.
Congrats to Walt & Minnesota on the signing! T-Wolves look to have a lot of potential
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Post by Chris Mullin on Jul 7, 2015 8:54:29 GMT
How tough is the Northwest division looking for next season??
With Portland, Denver, and Oklahoma City already established and now you add Bledsoe to Minnesota and all of the talented draft picks joining an already talented Jazz roster, crap thats a tough division.
If Bledsoe wanted a chance at competing for a title sooner than later he probably should've went to Boston!
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 7, 2015 9:39:05 GMT
I personally think this deal goes against a lot of the realism we strive to have in D5. Before I expand on that statement, I will say that I am disappointed to see Eric chose a team besides the Rockets, as I am sure any other GM would be. But I feel the reasoning behind it is "dumb". In the first PM I got from Bryan, he said Bledsoe wanted to be the starting PG, and right then and there, I knew I had lost him. And I moved on and formulated a new plan. Yeah, I still matched the contract Walt and the Timberwolves offered, but I knew I wouldn't retain his services. No where in any point in Eric's career, collegiate or pro, has he cared about being the starting PG of a team. Nor has he cared about being "the guy". One would think that if a player wanted to be "the man" and establish himself at a position, he would have the opportunity to do so in college, if he were a highly touted recruit, as Eric was. Rather than supplant himself as "the guy" in to a college program, he chose Kentucky. Where not only would he not be "the man", because of the insane talent in the incoming class, but he wouldn't even be the starting PG, as Kentucky also brought in Wall that year. Then, in the pro's, Eric wasn't caring to be the guy for the Clippers, and when he was traded to the Suns, he wasn't demanding of a starting PG role. Instead, he signed his extension with the team, AFTER they had just signed a third PG to their roster. They had Dragic and Thomas, yet Bledsoe still signed. And with the Dragic-Bledsoe back court that saw so much success in the 2013-2014 season, Eric wasn't demanding to be the PG, he and Dragic shared the duties. Most people would say that Eric was the SG there. The 2014-2015 season saw Thomas in the backcourt with Bledsoe and Dragic, Thomas IS a PG, or at least that is what he played his whole career up until that point. All 3 of them were scoring, combo guards. Dragic was traded to the Heat, where he IS the PG. Thomas was traded to the Celtics, where he IS the PG. Bledsoe never spoke up and wanted the PG duties, nor was he even asking for more minutes. Everything was fine. Dragic and Thomas were traded mid-season, and Knight was brought in. It isn't like the Suns brought in a bonafide SG. They brought in another scoring PG for Bledsoe to share the duties with. And it looks like that will be the back court pairing heading in to the 2015-2016 season. Yet, not a peep from Bledsoe about wanting to be "the guy" or the sole PG of the team. The money was equal, my team has just as much a chance of winning with Giannis, Nurkic, Warren, and whomever else I sign this off-seaosn. And then you throw in Love and Rose. I just disagree with this signing. I think that Bryan portrayed Eric incorrectly. Unrealistically. I am not salty, I just wish and hope that PA's take into account a player's real life personality when making their decisions in here. And I feel like Bryan portrayed Bledsoe as a selfish prima-donna who wanted to be the man and the starting PG when Eric has done nothing of the sort in real life, and has actually been ok with not being the sole PG, nor "the man" on a team, as seen by him signing a long term extension with a team who already had 2 PGs on the team and a bigger star in Dragic. It was irrelevant that I even said if Bledsoe wanted to be the starting PG, he could be the starting PG. Positions are obsolete in this day and age of the NBA. You just have guys with skill sets. Each team prefers a different skill set to another. Labeling someone as a PG or as a Center is just living in the past in the NBA. I mean, what is Jabari? A 3 or a 4? Is he going to demand a starting SF spot when his position in the Bucks line-up isn't perfectly defined? You have a guy who plays combo guard, in an unspecified position, for a team with 2 other combo guards IRL (now 1 in Knight), and he demands the PG spot and the face of the franchise? Just baffling to me. Throw in the fact that Walt is in LOVE with Rubio, and Rubio has been the starting PG for the T'Wolves for some time now, and Walt has yet to trade Rubio, and it is just mind boggling to me as to why Bledsoe would sign with the Timberwolves and why he would act in a such a way that is unbecoming of his RL persona. I just want to say that I respect a lot of your points but we also need to consider that the PAs does not have 24 hours a day, seven days a week to be familiarize with each of there clients. So. basically, they will work with the obvious information not with the infos that you have brought out which really needs some research to find. This make me realize that it should be our job to inform them about our research about the player that we are trying to get. And concise that information as much as possible because it will be hard for the PAs to read a novel. I think I understand what you feel because my main target FA just turn me down today also but at the end of the day, the PAs did there best with the responsibility that are given to them and the best way for us to do is to accept it and to alter our plan. Peace Charles |
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Post by Jay Z on Jul 7, 2015 11:22:48 GMT
Assuming Bledsoe needed to be the starting PG on a team is weird rationale considering Bledsoe never complained about the situation he was in in PHX. On top of that its assumed Bledsoe would also be ok with going from a contender to a rebuild situation (regardless of how good that situation looks on paper were still talking about a team that only last season sold off "win now" assets in an effort to tank).
Looking at Ian's guidelines to FA:
1. Money Offered
even, money was capped
2. Playing time
even, both offered starting positions
3. The chances of success with your team
advantage Houston on immediate success
4. How much dedication you have shown to the player
advantage Houston who traded a player out of the lotto in Randle to bring in Bledsoe on his final year
5. Whether your team is a "big market" team, or a team with "prestige" or history
Neither team is a Boston/Los Angeles type location but Houston's no income tax could be a draw plus larger market.
6. The player's perceived real-life personality traits
placed in Minnesota favor, but unfounded in my opinion. All we've seen from Bledsoe is that he was traded to PHX from LA and re-signed with them.
7. The perceived effort you put into making a offer
no idea, both teams offered max deals
I have no horse in this race, i thought about making an offer to Bledsoe but just assumed Charles would be matching anyone's offers and turned my attentions elsewhere. I just found this choice strange even if Bledsoe has a personality trait that needed him to play point guard. Does that on its own really outweigh Charles dedication and superior team? If having the ball in his hand is that important then playing next to Oladipo is going to cause some friction because he plays as the lead guard in Orlando at times (which is so awkward considering Payton without the ball is pretty close to useless).
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 7, 2015 11:56:24 GMT
Agree with everything the Hawks said. It might be different if Bledsoe's reason for leaving was different. Just seemed too many chips needed moved for this signing to happen and one of those things has not been done, ie Rubio being traded. I think it would've made more sense to wait until Rubio was traded at the least. Without it, this seems weird on the,surface. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 7, 2015 12:00:31 GMT
I did my research.  it is "I was looking forward to this moment, and it came and I'm ready for it," Bledsoe said of being a first-time starter as he enters year four of his pro career. "I've been preparing for it this summer—not only this summer, since I've been playing basketball since college. I've been preparing (that) one day I would get a chance to be a starter in this league."link |
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