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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 27, 2015 18:31:27 GMT
I think Embiid is the best big on that team when healthy, and I don't think it is close. His offensive game is better than Okafor's, if not the same. No way. Okafor is better offensively and it's not even close. Maybe with their back to the basket on the low block Embiid is close to Okafor but still not better, but then facing up and from mid-range, Okafor is miles ahead. Embiid is better from mid range and much better defensively, but Okafor has the best post offense.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 27, 2015 18:51:54 GMT
Embiid is better from mid range and much better defensively, but Okafor has the best post offense. Maybe the farther out you go, like with long twos and even threes, since Embiid has a longer range. But from like 10-15 feet away, where they get the ball and face up, I'd much rather have the ball in Okafor's hands. I think Embiid can be the more complete player, but only judging offensively I think he's definitely better than Embiid.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 27, 2015 23:04:28 GMT
Jeremiah and I were watching the draft. And we were like, "I bet Hinkie has been on candy crush this whole time and tries to pick Russell" I don't like the Okafor pick. I didn't have him as my best available player. And I don't think he fits with Noel and Embiid. If he was going to pick a big, I wish it would have been Zinger, as his skill set is way different than the other 2. While Okafor's offensive game is more "polished" than Noel's, and Okafor doesn't have the injuries that Embiid does, I think I would have went with Kristaps. And I bet that that would have been their pick had Embiid not had a setback. I think Embiid is the best big on that team when healthy, and I don't think it is close. His offensive game is better than Okafor's, if not the same. And his defensive game is better than Noel's. I just think the 76ers should have went with Kristaps or traded back and picked Mudiay or Winslow. I'm not an Okafor fan. I'm not a Russell or Kristaps or Winslow fan either, but I think that instead of going BoA there, they should have traded back and grabbed someone who fit as I don't think the talent gap between Okafor and Mudiay or Winslow is that big. are you not interested to see if a three bigs line-up works ? No, I am not interested to see if a 3 bigs lineup works. That team is a blank slate at the wing and guard positions though. If they can find guards and wings who can shoot, rather than drive, they can be good with 2 big men in the middle. If they have guards that drive, like the rest of the league does, they need a stretch 4. GSW won by doing something no other team in the league was doing, playing small. Which neutralized the big man threat in the middle. To play small ball, you need highly defensive guys who have an offensive game good enough to stretch the bigs on the opposing team out of the paint. I don't think a 3 big man lineup will work in the META of the current NBA. I think they can change the META though, if they get the right guys.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 27, 2015 23:07:36 GMT
No way. Okafor is better offensively and it's not even close. Maybe with their back to the basket on the low block Embiid is close to Okafor but still not better, but then facing up and from mid-range, Okafor is miles ahead. Embiid is better from mid range and much better defensively, but Okafor has the best post offense. I don't think so. I think you have to look at what they have in the repitoire. To me, they both have the same moves. Maybe Okafor does them a little better. But I think Embiid can face up shoot it better. Embiid also has A LOT more athleticism than Okafor and I don't question Embiid's will. If Okafor was there at 21 for me, I would pass. I have him as undraftable because of his mental game. I don't want players like him. I think this draft vs last draft goes to show what a position is worth. A possible franchise Big is worth more than a possible franchise wing, but a possible franchise wing is worth more than a possible franchise center with injury concerns, who is worth more than All-Star caliber talent.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 27, 2015 23:08:47 GMT
Embiid is better from mid range and much better defensively, but Okafor has the best post offense. Maybe the farther out you go, like with long twos and even threes, since Embiid has a longer range. But from like 10-15 feet away, where they get the ball and face up, I'd much rather have the ball in Okafor's hands. I think Embiid can be the more complete player, but only judging offensively I think he's definitely better than Embiid. Okafor can do the catch in post on the foul line extended, turn and face, and get to the hoop. But down low, I think Embiid and Okafor have the same moves. Embiid has a dream fake, a hard pivot, and a soft hook. Exactly what Jahlil has down low.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 27, 2015 23:12:19 GMT
are you not interested to see if a three bigs line-up works ? No, I am not interested to see if a 3 bigs lineup works. That team is a blank slate at the wing and guard positions though. If they can find guards and wings who can shoot, rather than drive, they can be good with 2 big men in the middle. If they have guards that drive, like the rest of the league does, they need a stretch 4. GSW won by doing something no other team in the league was doing, playing small. Which neutralized the big man threat in the middle. To play small ball, you need highly defensive guys who have an offensive game good enough to stretch the bigs on the opposing team out of the paint. I don't think a 3 big man lineup will work in the META of the current NBA. I think they can change the META though, if they get the right guys. Just imagining the three of them. Noel could defend the PG, then Embiid and Okafor at the Rim. THATS A HARD ONE TO SCORE TO. Then at offense, three of them surrounding the paint. Okafor is a capable passer, Noel can play above the rim, Embiid is SO athletic. I think they will score easily.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 27, 2015 23:17:34 GMT
No, I am not interested to see if a 3 bigs lineup works. That team is a blank slate at the wing and guard positions though. If they can find guards and wings who can shoot, rather than drive, they can be good with 2 big men in the middle. If they have guards that drive, like the rest of the league does, they need a stretch 4. GSW won by doing something no other team in the league was doing, playing small. Which neutralized the big man threat in the middle. To play small ball, you need highly defensive guys who have an offensive game good enough to stretch the bigs on the opposing team out of the paint. I don't think a 3 big man lineup will work in the META of the current NBA. I think they can change the META though, if they get the right guys. Just imagining the three of them. Noel could defend the PG, then Embiid and Okafor at the Rim. THATS A HARD ONE TO SCORE TO. Then at offense, three of them surrounding the paint. Okafor is a capable passer, Noel can play above the rim, Embiid is SO athletic. I think they will score easily. I think this would work better if you replace Noel with WCS. And Okafor or Embiid needs to get better high post moves. That's the real issue. Look at Memphis. They do so well because Gasol plays the high post and Randolph down low. Same with Chicago. I don't think either 3 of them can play the high post effectively enough for it to work. But we haven't seen Embiid yet, and we only have seen Noel for 1 season. It isn't a bad thing with 3 possible franchise centers, I just think they should have went Propingas. He's more of a project, but he's a project that would be worth it. Him stretching the floor for Saric with Embiid or Noel down low would be amazing. I like that a lot better than 3 big dudes in the paint.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 27, 2015 23:21:19 GMT
Just imagining the three of them. Noel could defend the PG, then Embiid and Okafor at the Rim. THATS A HARD ONE TO SCORE TO. Then at offense, three of them surrounding the paint. Okafor is a capable passer, Noel can play above the rim, Embiid is SO athletic. I think they will score easily. I think this would work better if you replace Noel with WCS. And Okafor or Embiid needs to get better high post moves. That's the real issue. Look at Memphis. They do so well because Gasol plays the high post and Randolph down low. Same with Chicago. I don't think either 3 of them can play the high post effectively enough for it to work. But we haven't seen Embiid yet, and we only have seen Noel for 1 season. It isn't a bad thing with 3 possible franchise centers, I just think they should have went Propingas. He's more of a project, but he's a project that would be worth it. Him stretching the floor for Saric with Embiid or Noel down low would be amazing. I like that a lot better than 3 big dudes in the paint. With three bigs, one of them will have the mismatch. Pass to him the ball, and let him work. Now, if the big men of the opponent help, pass it to the other bigs. With three seven footer, they can just lob the ball and make it happen. Or much easier, they can wait for the big man with a mismatch to have a good position on the post. then pass.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 27, 2015 23:25:17 GMT
I think this would work better if you replace Noel with WCS. And Okafor or Embiid needs to get better high post moves. That's the real issue. Look at Memphis. They do so well because Gasol plays the high post and Randolph down low. Same with Chicago. I don't think either 3 of them can play the high post effectively enough for it to work. But we haven't seen Embiid yet, and we only have seen Noel for 1 season. It isn't a bad thing with 3 possible franchise centers, I just think they should have went Propingas. He's more of a project, but he's a project that would be worth it. Him stretching the floor for Saric with Embiid or Noel down low would be amazing. I like that a lot better than 3 big dudes in the paint. With three bigs, one of them will have the mismatch. Pass to him the ball, and let him work. Now, if the big men of the opponent help, pass it to the other bigs. With three seven footer, they can just lob the ball and make it happen. Or much easier, they can wait for the big man with a mismatch to have a good position on the post. then pass. You're making the big assumption that the three of them can pass lol. the 76ers have NO PG. I mean, Saric can pass pretty well, but he's sucked this year in Europe, BAD.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 27, 2015 23:42:33 GMT
With three bigs, one of them will have the mismatch. Pass to him the ball, and let him work. Now, if the big men of the opponent help, pass it to the other bigs. With three seven footer, they can just lob the ball and make it happen. Or much easier, they can wait for the big man with a mismatch to have a good position on the post. then pass. You're making the big assumption that the three of them can pass lol. the 76ers have NO PG. I mean, Saric can pass pretty well, but he's sucked this year in Europe, BAD. You do not need to be a great passer if you can see the one that you are passing to very clearly.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 28, 2015 15:38:14 GMT
If I were Sam Hinkie and Philly I would wait a few years to see which of the three prospects is best. Keep the two who complement each other the best and trade the other one for a guard.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 16:44:10 GMT
If I were Sam Hinkie and Philly I would wait a few years to see which of the three prospects is best. Keep the two who complement each other the best and trade the other one for a guard. Wait until Embiid is worth as much as Oden
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 30, 2015 0:32:49 GMT
If I were Sam Hinkie and Philly I would wait a few years to see which of the three prospects is best. Keep the two who complement each other the best and trade the other one for a guard. Wait until Embiid is worth as much as Oden yeah. Adam is right. There is a huge risk with Embiid but they can still wait. Noel-Okafor is still a formidable frontcourt. But I will not be shock if they suddenly haunt down the FA guards this offseason. With that load of money in the cap space and the money that they saved in the last three years. They can offer Dragic the maximum and tell him that "they need him to lead the uprising".
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