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Post by Ian Noble on May 25, 2015 13:00:45 GMT
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on May 25, 2015 14:16:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:18:42 GMT
Actually, I am the lucky one since I jumped four teams to earn the 14th pick! :0
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 25, 2015 18:21:36 GMT
Soooo....I know there is a Tanking mentality here, but if Team A beat Team B two out of three times, doesn't that mean Team A is the better team? Therefore, should pick LATER, not EARLIER? Pelicans beat the Hawks twice, means the Hawks are worse, so Hawks should pick 7 and Pelicans 8. Phoenix won 2/3 games in the matchup against Utah, meaning they were the better team this year using this method, meaning Phoenix's pick should be later (11) and Utah's earlier (10). If Charlotte lost 3 out of 4 matchups to Brooklyn, that means Charlotte is the worse team, and they should pick 15 while Brooklyn has pick 16. I mean, this is a consistent problem, every tie breaker, you have backwards. The tie-breaker shows us which team is better, doesn't it? H2H, Team A is better than Team B. That means Team B needs the pick slightly more than Team A. I think it's the Tanking Mentality taking over here, just saying. These tie-breakers all seem backwards. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 25, 2015 18:24:28 GMT
Soooo....I know there is a Tanking mentality here, but if Team A beat Team B two out of three times, doesn't that mean Team A is the better team? Therefore, should pick LATER, not EARLIER? Pelicans beat the Hawks twice, means the Hawks are worse, so Hawks should pick 7 and Pelicans 8. Phoenix won 2/3 games in the matchup against Utah, meaning they were the better team this year using this method, meaning Phoenix's pick should be later (11) and Utah's earlier (10). If Charlotte lost 3 out of 4 matchups to Brooklyn, that means Charlotte is the worse team, and they should pick 15 while Brooklyn has pick 16. I mean, this is a consistent problem, every tie breaker, you have backwards. The tie-breaker shows us which team is better, doesn't it? H2H, Team A is better than Team B. That means Team B needs the pick slightly more than Team A. I think it's the Tanking Mentality taking over here, just saying. These tie-breakers all seem backwards. Basically, let's imagine you used this to break the tie between Vlade and myself. I don't know who won more but if Vlade won 3 out of 4 times in our matchups this season, using the method you just used Ian, he would "win" the lower pick, pick 14, and I would make the playoffs b/c I lost to him 3 out of 4 times.  ? I know that's not the method you used, but it's the exact same logic. The H2H record shows us who is the better team since everything else is basically even (same overall record). The team who wins the H2H matchup has shown to be ever so slightly better, therefore they should get the later pick. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on May 25, 2015 18:30:55 GMT
I know the current system benefits me but I feel like a coin toss is most fair since that's what the NBA does
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Post by Ian Noble on May 25, 2015 18:31:01 GMT
I see what you're saying Walt Frazier, I think next season I will just use a coin toss. This doesn't look good cos my team won all 3 of these tie breakers but it was an honest mistake, in fact I'd forgotten I owned Chicago's pick. I'm sorry though, I know this affects a lot and every pick matters. |
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Post by Ian Noble on May 25, 2015 18:31:31 GMT
I know the current system benefits me but I feel like a coin toss is most fair since that's what the NBA does In fact since Brian Scalabrine has said this, I will re-do this with coin tosses. I didn't want to ask Brian for his opinion because the pressure shouldn't be on him, but since he's volunteered it I'm going to do the coin-tosses. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 25, 2015 18:38:48 GMT
I know the current system benefits me but I feel like a coin toss is most fair since that's what the NBA does In fact since Brian Scalabrine has said this, I will re-do this with coin tosses. I didn't want to ask Brian for his opinion because the pressure shouldn't be on him, but since he's volunteered it I'm going to do the coin-tosses. I don't mind doing it either way, I think you just mixed up who "wins" the H2H matchup thing, IMO. Honest mistake, I don't think you're cheating mate! I think if you use H2H just switch it around. I'm not saying this to benefit myself, I'm just looking at it logically. I run about a dozen Fantasy Sports leagues throughout the year and use H2H matchups sometimes for tie-breakers too, and the team who wins the matchup is better, therefore they finish higher in the standings, and lower in the draft (20th pick instead of 19th, for example). |
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Post by Ian Noble on May 25, 2015 19:20:37 GMT
Updated with the results of the soul-destroying re-do of the tie-breakers.
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Post by Allen Iverson on May 25, 2015 19:24:39 GMT
Philly picks 17th or 18th?
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Post by Ian Noble on May 25, 2015 19:43:49 GMT
Philly picks 17th or 18th? 17th, I made a mistake when posting! |
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Post by Allen Iverson on May 25, 2015 19:51:02 GMT
Philly picks 17th or 18th? 17th, I made a mistake when posting! 3rd seed (Division Title!) but still with the 17th pick  Thanks! |
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Post by Sam Bowie on May 25, 2015 23:04:20 GMT
Actually, I think it is fine to use the Head to Head system.
If Team A and Team B had the same record but Team A was 4-0 against Team B that means Team A won 4 less games against the rest of teams in the league. That means Team A was worse if you exclude the 2 teams in question.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 25, 2015 23:45:02 GMT
Actually, I think it is fine to use the Head to Head system. If Team A and Team B had the same record but Team A was 4-0 against Team B that means Team A won 4 less games against the rest of teams in the league. That means Team A was worse if you exclude the 2 teams in question. I mean, we can get Stats to say what we want, sure. If we are breaking a tie between two teams only, and all we care about are those two teams, and Team A beats Team B 4 out of 4 times, then Team A is better than Team B. Or else, why do we play series in Baseball and then also in the Basketball and Hockey playoffs? Like, basically, if Team A in Basketball wins the championship but goes to 7 games every series, and Team B, who loses to Team A in the Championship game, wins every series in 5 games except loses in 7 in the Championship, your logic says Team B is actually better, b/c they lost less games against the rest of the playoff teams, so they should win the Championship, right? I'm stretching a bit I know, but you are the one adding the extra noise in the first place. If Team A and Team B play a series and Team A wins the series, they are better. Keep It Simple Stupid |
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 25, 2015 23:47:53 GMT
Or, honestly, if we allow Alphabetical order to decide who makes the damn playoffs, or rather, "team number", not alphabetical order...then we should just use the same thing to break these ties as well.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 25, 2015 23:53:30 GMT
Actually, I think it is fine to use the Head to Head system. If Team A and Team B had the same record but Team A was 4-0 against Team B that means Team A won 4 less games against the rest of teams in the league. That means Team A was worse if you exclude the 2 teams in question. Your argument also does not factor in team schedule. Just look at the divisions this year. Atlantic Division is quite bad. The top TWO teams are worse than the 8th team in the West (who is also the 4th best team in his Division!). So, way too much noise involved to say "well that means they're worse against the rest of the league" because they don't play the exact same schedule. It's folly and doesn't work out. If we ever do use H2H, the winner of the season series is the better team and should get the worse pick. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on May 26, 2015 0:38:44 GMT
I think this way is also unfair? Shouldn't we do a coin toss like the real nba does? No need to make up these weird tiebreakers edit: Just saw you did coin toss disregard this. I will miss you 7th pick  |
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Post by Sam Bowie on May 26, 2015 0:41:52 GMT
 I still think the H2H tiebrake is not bad the way i explained it. The way I see it, the draft position is based on how the team compares to the rest of the league and not a matchup. Since it wouldn´t be fair to punish the team that won the tiebreak you eliminate it getting what I explained before. Obviously, there are other ways to determine a tiebrake but I think this is fine. If you ask me what I would use I would say real life tiebrake rules which probably would work in this case as well without the need of a coin toss.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 26, 2015 1:01:21 GMT
I still think the H2H tiebrake is not bad the way i explained it. The way I see it, the draft position is based on how the team compares to the rest of the league and not a matchup. Since it wouldn´t be fair to punish the team that won the tiebreak you eliminate it getting what I explained before. Obviously, there are other ways to determine a tiebrake but I think this is fine. If you ask me what I would use I would say real life tiebrake rules which probably would work in this case as well without the need of a coin toss. Wasn't calling you stupid, for the record. That's just a general rule that applies in a lot of cases as the best way to do things - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principleReal-life method is a coin toss which Ian has now done. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 26, 2015 11:31:29 GMT
So Charlotte gets the better playoff seed than me and also gets a better draft pick. I know I don't own the pick, but this makes no sense.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 15:45:37 GMT
Walt just wants the 14th pick AND a chance to play Golden State! :0
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Post by Ian Noble on May 26, 2015 16:23:27 GMT
So Charlotte gets the better playoff seed than me and also gets a better draft pick. I know I don't own the pick, but this makes no sense. NBA Live decides the playoff drawings, so I can't change that aspect. Also a coin toss was the fairest way to decide the tie-breakers. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 26, 2015 16:27:56 GMT
So Charlotte gets the better playoff seed than me and also gets a better draft pick. I know I don't own the pick, but this makes no sense. NBA Live decides the playoff drawings, so I can't change that aspect. Also a coin toss was the fairest way to decide the tie-breakers. I think if a team is in the playoffs though and NBA Live automatically decides it, then there should not be a coinflip. Whoever got the NBA Live benefit should not also have the opportunity to get a coin flip benefit |
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Post by James Kay on May 26, 2015 17:50:25 GMT
NBA Live decides the playoff drawings, so I can't change that aspect. Also a coin toss was the fairest way to decide the tie-breakers. I think if a team is in the playoffs though and NBA Live automatically decides it, then there should not be a coinflip. Whoever got the NBA Live benefit should not also have the opportunity to get a coin flip benefit I do not own this pick so I'm not really an involved party but I agree with Josh. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on May 26, 2015 20:07:57 GMT
Why don't we just do what the real nba does and coin flip? We can't help the playoffs thing but at least this can be realistic
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Post by Sam Bowie on May 31, 2015 16:00:17 GMT
For the record, I was not against the H2H tie-break but I think going by real life rules was the best thing to do (coin flip in this case). I kinda mentioned it earlier but i think I did not make myself clear. I was confused because I thought there was a tie-break criteria in real life.
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