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Post by Alex English on Apr 2, 2015 23:54:32 GMT
Current Rating: 84
Suggested Rating: 87
I had no problem with Kyrie's rating for a long time, but this season just about every point guard in the league got a rating boost and now Kyrie isn't even a top 10 rated point guard in this league. It's at a point now where Irving needs to get his too.
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21.9 ppg, 5.2 apg, 3.2 rpg, 1.5 spg, 0.3 bpg, 46.7 FG%, 40.6 3P%, 86.3 FT%, 21.3 PER
Kyrie is an absolute beast on offense and I have him as a top 3 PG in the league on that end of the floor behind Curry and Westbrook. He averages 22 points on very efficient numbers. Also, with Lebron coming back to the Cavs, it still hasn't hurt Kyrie's other contributions. While 5.2 assists is nothing to be proud about, it's not bad enough to say it's a weakness when you know Lebron will be the primary ballhandler and put up 7 assists a game. He's the #2 guy on the Cavs team, and now that the drama is over we see how good this team is. Time to give Kyrie a bump.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 0:57:44 GMT
Discounting the defensive side of the floor, Kyrie Irving is a top 20 player, not just PG.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 3, 2015 1:37:12 GMT
I've been really impressed with Kyrie's defense this season. A lot of the PGs are pretty overrated in terms of thier D5 rating. I'll put him at an 86.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 3, 2015 1:51:33 GMT
86
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 3, 2015 2:49:15 GMT
87
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 3, 2015 4:52:18 GMT
86, think he is probably the best finisher at the rim besides Russ. I think at an 86 we can illustrate his strengths well enough and that an 87,88,89 leaves us with too many points.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Apr 4, 2015 11:42:52 GMT
85
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Apr 4, 2015 16:43:36 GMT
87
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Post by Alex English on Apr 5, 2015 5:56:42 GMT
8 ratings so far. Anyone else?
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 5, 2015 14:55:05 GMT
85.. increase 3FG.
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Post by Ghazny Dimalen on Apr 5, 2015 15:41:00 GMT
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Post by James Kay on Apr 5, 2015 18:14:05 GMT
86
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Apr 13, 2015 21:26:07 GMT
86 ^^
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Post by Alex English on Apr 15, 2015 13:45:03 GMT
85, 86, 86, 86, 86, 86, 86, 87, 87, 87, 88, 88 = 865/10 = 86.5
Kyrie gets an 87.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 11, 2015 10:54:00 GMT
87
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 11, 2015 21:21:05 GMT
I'm tempted to make that vote not count. Hanamichi - you already voted 85 one month ago. 2 point change in one month? Not buying it. I'd honestly like to close these threads during the playoffs, we can open again in the pre-season and if the playoffs really were amazing for a certain player, that's when they should be applied and accounted for, not now while it happens.
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Post by Alex English on May 11, 2015 21:55:41 GMT
I'm tempted to make that vote not count. Hanamichi - you already voted 85 one month ago. 2 point change in one month? Not buying it. I'd honestly like to close these threads during the playoffs, we can open again in the pre-season and if the playoffs really were amazing for a certain player, that's when they should be applied and accounted for, not now while it happens. What do you mean? Of course it should count. His opinion is just as valid as anyone elses. That's how this thing works, whether you buy it or not. You hadn't posted anything about his rating being finalized and moving forward to update it so as far as anyone can tell, this thread is still open. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 11, 2015 23:06:15 GMT
Nah nah nah. I agree with Walt
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 11, 2015 23:07:58 GMT
This is more about people putting a lot of value on the playoffs at the expense of the much larger sample size of the regular season. I'm not saying he's definitely doing that here but I have seen it plenty of times and have been thinking of locking down ratings once the playoffs started. Haven't been able to do that but it's not surprising you defend it since it makes your player a higher rating :-p
We've already put up his Rating Change Discussion and are in the process of changing him, whether we've posted here or not (it's about 90% of the time we never post that a thread is closed until someone puts up a really late vote and then we tell them it's already closed and already being changed).
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 11, 2015 23:11:26 GMT
The last vote here was April 13, now a new vote comes in May 11. I don't like that either. It looks like maybe there is some new data, which means there should be a new thread. But this one is pretty much done, and Alex you even put up a summary of votes and said what Kyrie was getting, and you are on the Ratings Committee so that pretty much closes it as well as Charles or I have ever closed one of these threads.
I'm just trying to defend against the SSS of the playoffs which are also completely different in style from the regular season. A 7 game series where matchups are the biggest deciding factor is very different from the regular season and can play havoc with some players' stats. I just ask that we get through the playoffs, give it some time, and then open ratings again.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 23:50:10 GMT
Like how people think that Dwight Howard had like 3 good playoff games he should be rated an 89 even though he hasn't had an 89 worthy season since 2012
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 12, 2015 0:00:46 GMT
This is more about people putting a lot of value on the playoffs at the expense of the much larger sample size of the regular season. I'm not saying he's definitely doing that here but I have seen it plenty of times and have been thinking of locking down ratings once the playoffs started. Haven't been able to do that but it's not surprising you defend it since it makes your player a higher rating :-p We've already put up his Rating Change Discussion and are in the process of changing him, whether we've posted here or not (it's about 90% of the time we never post that a thread is closed until someone puts up a really late vote and then we tell them it's already closed and already being changed). my vote is not actually about the playoffs. I just double check his stats and I find it as 87. with my own eye test. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 0:53:13 GMT
This is more about people putting a lot of value on the playoffs at the expense of the much larger sample size of the regular season. I'm not saying he's definitely doing that here but I have seen it plenty of times and have been thinking of locking down ratings once the playoffs started. Haven't been able to do that but it's not surprising you defend it since it makes your player a higher rating :-p We've already put up his Rating Change Discussion and are in the process of changing him, whether we've posted here or not (it's about 90% of the time we never post that a thread is closed until someone puts up a really late vote and then we tell them it's already closed and already being changed). my vote is not actually about the playoffs. I just double check his stats and I find it as 87. with my own eye test. Find it odd that people think its crazy to lower Conley from an 86 but an 87 is a crazy vote for kyrie irving :/ |
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 12, 2015 1:01:22 GMT
Yea I mean to put it out there, I voted Kyrie at an 87, and Hanamichi changing his vote from 85 to 87 gets Kyrie up from an 86 to an 87 (he was at 86.4 before), so his vote gets Kyrie to the rating I think he deserves.
My point however is that it's been a month with no votes on this thread and we've already begun the process to change him to an 86. I just don't like votes during the playoffs and I don't like votes so long after the thread has been dormant.
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Post by Sam Bowie on May 12, 2015 1:15:04 GMT
87. Also, I think some of the 86 players should be reduced.
Conley for example is good but he was never Irving good, not even for a moment which makes hard to believe that he was 2 points better than Irving for an entire season.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 12, 2015 4:56:33 GMT
Yea I mean to put it out there, I voted Kyrie at an 87, and Hanamichi changing his vote from 85 to 87 gets Kyrie up from an 86 to an 87 (he was at 86.4 before), so his vote gets Kyrie to the rating I think he deserves. My point however is that it's been a month with no votes on this thread and we've already begun the process to change him to an 86. I just don't like votes during the playoffs and I don't like votes so long after the thread has been dormant. you should have then close this Walt. But nevertheless, Im fine with it.  |
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on May 12, 2015 21:51:22 GMT
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