CLE-DET

[Dan Gilbert]

Trade
76 C Robin Lopez $2,862,602 $4,001,917

Total Outgoing - $2,862,602

Trade
76 Ben Wallace $2,246,400
71 Vernon Macklin $473,604
DET 2013 1st Round Pick

Total Outgoing - $2,720,004

I accept. Tough to give up a guy like Robin Lopez but Big Ben can still get it done on the defensive end. Getting Big Ben, who is expiring, and a 2013 first was good enough for me. Macklin is only in there for salary purposes and will be cut if the deal is accepted.

[Joe Dumars]

Pistons accept.

We think Lopez brings more to the table than the aging Ben Wallace. He may also step into our starting lineup if we continue in our losing ways.

[Aubrey Graham]

I accept, Pistons add another piece to their youth movement and Cleveland picks up a potential lotto pick

[Lucas Lutkus]

good trade guys

[Walt Frazier]

Weird to me.

Ben Wallace is worth Robin Lopez to me, straight up. Why is there a 1st in here?

Robin has only been able to carve out 19:18 minutes per game at most, and that was 3 years ago. Last year only 14:48, and this season just 14:00 mpg.

Why is he worth a player who's basically as good as him, on a shorter more team-friendly contract, AND a 1st rounder? ESPECIALLY 1st rounder from a team who is only 1 game out of last in the Eastern Conference this season? I know the pick is for next season, but right now the Pistons aren't really set up to win either...seems weird to me.

We all have different values, I think Detroit gets ripped off here, taking on 4 million next year for a player who's value is probably no higher than a 2nd rounder...and giving up his 1st which is likely to be pretty high?

I know sometimes we do that whole "not bad enough to reject" thing...but with a pick involved I gotta do it.

Reject

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Risky move trading your 1st rounder for Robin Lopez. If that's what you wan to do though, then I accept.

[Ian Noble]

Cleveland how many trades/signings of yours have required you to cut a player before they go through? This deal would also require you to cut a player and I just don't think that's a good way to go about building a team.

[Dan Gilbert]

I'm cutting useless players that shouldn't even be on rosters. I can't help it that the Cavs have 15 players. I was trying to make this Ben and a 1st for Lopez but it wouldn't work salary wise. It's not like I'm cutting huge names that makes an impact on my team. The guys don't even play that are getting cut.

[Dan Gilbert]

I've cut Donald Sloan, Luke Harangody and I'm going to be cutting Vernon Macklin. All have one year deals and probably won't be in the league much longer

[Ian Noble]

For me the deal breaks down as such:

DET 2013 1st
<->
Robin Lopez

Detroit's got a really young team, especially his lineup anyway, so I find it strange he's trading his picks for a guy like Lopez who, whilst also young, would only reach the late-1st-round at best anyway. Detroit's basically saying here that he feels sure he'll be a playoff contender next year, which I really don't think is assured although he has one of the more promising young teams in the league now.

I dunno, I don't like this trade but I'm not sure I can reject it. I'd like to hear from Miami and Indy Assistant first.

[Rubén Magnano]

Jun 3, 2012 16:15:06 GMT Dan Gilbert said:

I'm going to be cutting Vernon Macklin.

I think you need to cut someone else because in order to cut Macklin you need to get him 1st and that would take your roster over the limit.

[Dan Gilbert]

Jun 3, 2012 17:12:27 GMT Rubén Magnano said:

Jun 3, 2012 16:15:06 GMT Dan Gilbert said:

I'm going to be cutting Vernon Macklin.

I think you need to cut someone else because in order to cut Macklin you need to get him 1st and that would take your roster over the limit.

Ehh, I got plenty of other people on this roster I can cut as well if I can't cut Macklin.

And Ian, Indy Assistant GM accepted the deal, just in case you were waiting on that

[Isiah Thomas]

This is a bit much for me a first rounder for Lopez? I don't think so, and he's getting Wallace and Vernon?? It's too much to give up for just Lopez. If it was Macklin and Wallace for Lopez, then maybe but this no way. I reject

[Joe Dumars]

Since neither of our teams are competing for playoff spots this year, this trade is literally just a future first rounder for Lopez. Wallace and Macklin expire after this year. With that 2013 first rounder, I would probably target a big man who plays defense. Why not just trade for that and guarantee myself that player, only a year earlier. While Lopez may not be tearing up the league in real life, he is putting up solid numbers in a starting role for the Cavs in this league. I agree that the Cavs are probably getting a better deal right now, but I want a defensive big for next year, who isnt 35 years old like Ben Wallace.

I think I have proven that I know what I am doing around here with the moves that I've made. Im sure Pistons fans would love the changes Ive made to this team. If you still think this is that outrageous then reject it, but I think its a fine trade, that just favors the Cavs a little bit.

[Lucas Lutkus]

Like i said, it's difficult to put value in picks...

This Pistons pick can be a 1st pick as well as it can be a 20-25th pick... Who knows?

And even if it's a 1st pick, it can still be a bust like Kwame Brown and Michael Olowokandi...

I think that the entire basketball world lacks Centers. In mid-90s you had Mutombo, Robinson, Olajuwon, Shaq, Zo, Divac and many others... Nowadays you have D12, Noah, Bogut, Bynum, come on! Look at the playoffs semifinalists centers: Kendrick Perkins, Kevin Garnett (PF), Tim Duncan (PF) and RONNY TURIAF! Robin Lopez is good? Yes. Is he going to be an all star? Never. But he's still one of the top 15 centers in the league, plus he's still 24 and he's a first rounder.

All that Pistons is doing is trading a 2013 1st rounder for a 2008 1st rounder. Pistons gets a young center who can start in a lot of teams in the league by trading a 1st rounder that can be the next Kevin Durant or the next Adam Morrison, it's a bet he's taking and i don't see why to reject.

[Walt Frazier]

If Lopez is a top 15 center in the league, why can't he play more than 14 mpg on a Suns team that wasn't all that great? Makes no sense. Gortat is a solid C, so I understand him coming off the bench, but the fact he got 14 mpg this season...that's a 2nd rounder value, especially with it being his 3rd or 4th year in the league. If he hasn't cracked a bigger role by now, chances are (this could prove wrong and he could still get another chance) he isn't going to.

As for Detroit's argument of Robin putting up good #'s in this league:

That has ZERO effect on my (and should be the same for all TC members) voting. We vote based on real-life value. Ian is able and willing to and has in the past changed ratings, both up and down, throughout the season. Also, some players perform differently in different lineups, so there isn't even a guarantee he does as well with your team.

I think Lopez should be a low 70's guy, Wallace alone is worth him, whether a team is willing to do that or not is another issue.

But a 1st for Lopez is crazy, especially (no offense Detroit, but) a pick that could be very good.

I still reject.

Myself and Isiah reject.

Indy asst and Aubrey accept.

Up to Ian to break the tie I guess.

[Ian Noble]

Sorry I reject also, upon reflection.

Trade rejected by Minnesota, Miami and me.