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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 20:36:00 GMT
Celtics Receive:
CHI 2015 1st
SAC 2016 1st
SAC 2018 1st
SAC 2016 2nd
Total: $0
Kings Receive:
SAC 2015 1st
Total: $0
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 20:41:40 GMT
Look out lottery teams, there is a new tanker in town! I accept and basically the principal for this trade is based upon the idea of "when life hands you lemonade, you should make lemonade." Let's be honest, my team probably won't win a title as presently constructed prior to the deal with Orlando. This off-season looks promising for the Kings with all the cap space, but stud rookies are soooooooo valuable in this league. With this deal, I am almost guaranteed a lottery pick because of the wild wild west I play in and I wouldn't underestimate my ability to tank. Sure, this type of deal possesses a risk but I fully plan for Boston to end up with 3 20ish picks and a 50ish pick for a lottery pick. PS. COME CATCH ME JR!!!!!!!  |
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Post by Alex English on Feb 22, 2015 2:05:49 GMT
If the 2015 draft were to happen right now this would be the 14th pick for the 27th pick plus two future 1sts and a future 2nd. Moving down 13 spots can hardly be worth that price. Even if Vlade wants to tank, how is that supposed to happen? I don't think it's possible to tank with Russell Westbrook, Damian Lillard and Marc Gasol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 2:18:00 GMT
If the 2015 draft were to happen right now this would be the 14th pick for the 27th pick plus two future 1sts and a future 2nd. Moving down 13 spots can hardly be worth that price. Even if Vlade wants to tank, how is that supposed to happen? I don't think it's possible to tank with Russell Westbrook, Damian Lillard and Marc Gasol. I agree this seems like a pretty rejectable deal. I have no idea why Sacramento would accept |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 6:53:45 GMT
If the 2015 draft were to happen right now this would be the 14th pick for the 27th pick plus two future 1sts and a future 2nd. Moving down 13 spots can hardly be worth that price. Even if Vlade wants to tank, how is that supposed to happen? I don't think it's possible to tank with Russell Westbrook, Damian Lillard and Marc Gasol. You say that like you don't know that there is A HUGE difference between 14 and 27. Besides, go look at the standings! I am 3.5 games ahead of New Orleans for the 10th pick and all those teams below me besides maybe NOP are trying to win right now. Sure I am better than them, but maybe not with just Westbrook, Lillard, Gasol, and role players. It made me think, why not let them beat me this year and then I can get a solid lottery pick to help me in the future. If the TC wants to reject this trade then fine, but I ask that the TC reject the trade with Orlando as well because they are a package deal. Personally, I think its a very smart and tactical risk. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 22, 2015 11:59:48 GMT
It's a shame to let go of what's probably a lottery pick and I am seriously worried about where/who it might land Sac-to, but this deal enables me to continue drafting even whilst all my other young guns are maturing.
Vlade's pinning his hopes on free agency and I feel like that's the least assured method for success (alongside drafting and trading), so although this year's pick is likely a late lottery I'm ok to let it go for this year's Bulls pick and two later Sacramento 1sts that could land anywhere. I've turned into a slightly obsessive drafter recently so I'm always optimistic the second rounder might land me a sleeper also.
I accept.
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Post by Ghazny Dimalen on Feb 22, 2015 15:36:10 GMT
My pick will be more valuable than Sacramentos pick.lol
I Wis h I'm the one sir vlade offer that trade.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 15:44:07 GMT
My pick will be more valuable than Sacramentos pick.lol I Wis h I'm the one sir vlade offer that trade. Everyone wishes it, because its the least even draft pick only trade we've seen. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 16:21:18 GMT
My pick will be more valuable than Sacramentos pick.lol I Wis h I'm the one sir vlade offer that trade. Everyone wishes it, because its the least even draft pick only trade we've seen. Are you capable of looking at things in an objective way or are you going to keep saying the same thing over and over? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 17:52:25 GMT
PS. When did I last make a bad trade? I think we have to go back to Jordan Hill and Barea for IT2 and Evans before I understood the free-agency rules which happened three seasons ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 18:53:08 GMT
I would also like to point a few more things:
#1: Detroit offered me the following trade:
Chi 2015 1st
Sac 2016 1st
Sac 2018 1St
For
Det 2015 1st
While I would love to take this deal, I cannot legally make this trade because of the non-consecutive original draft picks rule. Therefore, it should be taken into consideration because Boston is the ONLY team in the whole league that I can three draft picks to.
#2: I think the TC should stop jacking around and either accept or reject the trade. There are several trades (some I didn't even make) that are dependent upon this deal and we need to come to a swift decision about them. Again, the trade will not change so just go ahead and get it over with.
#3: Again, this is a virtually GUARANTEED lottery pick for a late late late 1st, my 1st next year (which shouldn't be the great), and a 2018 that will be impossible to determine for any length of time. Honestly, will the league even make it to 2018? That's one reason I am not worried about giving the extra pick.
#4: WHAT IF I WIN THE DRAFT LOTTERY!?!?!??! WHAT YOU SAY THEN!?!??!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 19:25:44 GMT
I have one question...
Does the NBA ever look at trades that involve draft picks and think about it that deep? Do they care what happens with draft picks? They barely even look at the picks. Nothing is ever set in stone. Anything can happen to change the outcome of picks. Trades, records,and the lottery itself..
Lets stop thinkin so deep about picks. It's an unknown unfair process when deciding if a trades fair or not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 19:40:59 GMT
I have one question... Does the NBA ever look at trades that involve draft picks and think about it that deep? Do they care what happens with draft picks? They barely even look at the picks. Nothing is ever set in stone. Anything can happen to change the outcome of picks. Trades, records,and the lottery itself.. Lets stop thinkin so deep about picks. It's an unknown unfair process when deciding if a trades fair or not. Yeah, we can all be like JR and just randomly determine the good teams in the league!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 20:10:55 GMT
Walt and I just went through and looked at the back of the lottery versus the late 20s and maybe I am overvaluing the lottery picks just a little bit. I am going to shut up about the matter but I would appreciate it if you guys could make a swift decision.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 22, 2015 20:20:21 GMT
I feel like at some point, I've gotta draw the line to keep myself consistent in my valuations over the years here.
This is just too much IMO for Vlade to give up. Take away one of those other 1sts and I imagine I couldn't reject, but as it is, I can't get behind this trade and I can't put my acceptance on it.
Sorry Vlade.
Reject from me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 20:39:57 GMT
Just keep the 2018 pick and it'd look a lot better, imo
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 20:40:01 GMT
I feel like at some point, I've gotta draw the line to keep myself consistent in my valuations over the years here. This is just too much IMO for Vlade to give up. Take away one of those other 1sts and I imagine I could reject, but as it is, I can't get behind this trade and I can't put my acceptance on it. Sorry Vlade. Reject from me. This league is going to far. Its one thing to be real and for the league to be like the NBA, but when we use ropinions to accept or deny trades then we are going in the wrong direction and getting away from acting as the real NBA. |
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Post by Allen Iverson on Feb 22, 2015 20:50:22 GMT
If we really really want to be as close as what the NBA teams do to this kind of trades, then a "protection" of a pick should be implemented. But as we all know, that's kinda complicated..
It's a good trade for both teams tbh. One gets a ton of picks while one wants to tank his way through this year's lottery. Vlade's move is risky, but it is what it is. He's got Westbrook & Lillard so his team's gonna be fine.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 22, 2015 20:51:54 GMT
If I'm the only reject I won't be surprised. I've kind of always been the "don't sell your 1st Rounders too cheap" guy around here, so I'm just being consistent I feel.
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Post by Alex English on Feb 22, 2015 22:07:29 GMT
I think this is a bad trade for Sacramento. But the Kings aren't falling apart from this trade. He's got Lillard and Westbrook, plus Gasol if he re-signs and whoever else can be brought in during the offseason. The Kings are in a place where their future draft picks aren't as valuable to their potential success. So I accept.
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Post by Danny Longley on Feb 23, 2015 1:13:34 GMT
I'm actually going to reject. I can definitely see why Vlade wants to do this, but it feels like too much value and I question how low the Kings can really go while holding onto their core.
I might be overstepping here Vlade, but we're not even half-way through the season - really think you should re-evaluate what you want to do with those picks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 1:16:52 GMT
I am one vote away from having to sneak into the playoffs yet again! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 1:19:25 GMT
I'm actually going to reject. I can definitely see why Vlade wants to do this, but it feels like too much value and I question how low the Kings can really go while holding onto its core. I might be overstepping here Vlade, but we're not even half-way through the season - really think you should re-evaluate what you want to do with those picks. Its just like when you guys sometimes deny a trade. And it happens often. You guys don't let the GM be GM. You guys look at it as if "would this be a good idea if this were my team"..then you vote. Is it fair? Will it hurt their organization? A lot? I really don't care about the outcome. I just hate when you guys vote on your gut feeling when it's not your team that's in the trade anyway... |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 23, 2015 1:20:14 GMT
I feel like at some point, I've gotta draw the line to keep myself consistent in my valuations over the years here. This is just too much IMO for Vlade to give up. Take away one of those other 1sts and I imagine I could reject, but as it is, I can't get behind this trade and I can't put my acceptance on it. Sorry Vlade. Reject from me. This league is going to far. Its one thing to be real and for the league to be like the NBA, but when we use ropinions to accept or deny trades then we are going in the wrong direction and getting away from acting as the real NBA. We need to balance it out JR. Its not all about realism because we are just simulating. What we are trying to do is to have a realistic real life NBA as possible without sacrificing parity of the league. Thats why we have the TCs. To decide for us if the trade is fair or not, using different aspects and point of views. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 1:43:54 GMT
This league is going to far. Its one thing to be real and for the league to be like the NBA, but when we use ropinions to accept or deny trades then we are going in the wrong direction and getting away from acting as the real NBA. We need to balance it out JR. Its not all about realism because we are just simulating. What we are trying to do is to have a realistic real life NBA as possible without sacrificing parity of the league. Thats why we have the TCs. To decide for us if the trade is fair or not, using different aspects and point of views. Can I explain to you that your new and you can try and explain to me what the leagues trying to do...but I see it from my own view. I see a bunch of New GMs that have not been here through it all taking sides because you don't care and are just happy to be in a league. Its not like my views matter anyway. Even when I'm right. But I still speak my mind. And I will now in saying that You New guys need to be here more than a season before you question my opinions or suggestions. I believe that's fair! |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 23, 2015 1:48:20 GMT
All hail @griz2385
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 1:51:02 GMT
We need to balance it out JR. Its not all about realism because we are just simulating. What we are trying to do is to have a realistic real life NBA as possible without sacrificing parity of the league. Thats why we have the TCs. To decide for us if the trade is fair or not, using different aspects and point of views. Can I explain to you that your new and you can try and explain to me what the leagues trying to do...but I see it from my own view. I see a bunch of New GMs that have not been here through it all taking sides because you don't care and are just happy to be in a league. Its not like my views matter anyway. Even when I'm right. But I still speak my mind. And I will now in saying that You New guys need to be here more than a season before you question my opinions or suggestions. I believe that's fair! stop being such a fucking asshole. do you know what a logical fallacy is? Because your posts are ridden with them including this one. maybe attack the argument sometimes instead of the person who posted it. |
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Feb 23, 2015 1:54:01 GMT
honestly Vlade knows what he's doing, I accept
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 23, 2015 1:55:22 GMT
We need to balance it out JR. Its not all about realism because we are just simulating. What we are trying to do is to have a realistic real life NBA as possible without sacrificing parity of the league. Thats why we have the TCs. To decide for us if the trade is fair or not, using different aspects and point of views. Can I explain to you that your new and you can try and explain to me what the leagues trying to do...but I see it from my own view. I see a bunch of New GMs that have not been here through it all taking sides because you don't care and are just happy to be in a league. Its not like my views matter anyway. Even when I'm right. But I still speak my mind. And I will now in saying that You New guys need to be here more than a season before you question my opinions or suggestions. I believe that's fair! Wow. So you mean being one of the veterans here makes your opinion much better than us? The new ones? We have our own point of view too and for you to judge your own opinion to be right makes you look like the newbie. Your second to the last sentence aint part of the rules so,  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 1:58:57 GMT
Can I explain to you that your new and you can try and explain to me what the leagues trying to do...but I see it from my own view. I see a bunch of New GMs that have not been here through it all taking sides because you don't care and are just happy to be in a league. Its not like my views matter anyway. Even when I'm right. But I still speak my mind. And I will now in saying that You New guys need to be here more than a season before you question my opinions or suggestions. I believe that's fair! stopping such a fucking asshole. do you know what a logical fallacy is? Because your posts are ridden with them including this one. maybe attack the argument sometimes instead of the person who posted and people will maybe start listening to the shit you say. Exactly who I was speaking to. If you want to run your mouth about what I say then be able to take my comments without letting it hurt your precious feelings. I don't want to scare away a bunch of newbies That might disappear a few months from now anyhow. If you stay past that..maybe just maybe ill respect you somewhat. But not until then! |
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