Larry Bird
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Post by Larry Bird on May 31, 2012 4:09:55 GMT
Part 1
Clippers send:
Reggie Evans (71) $1,229,255
LAC 2013 1st
Total: $1,229,255
Pacers send:
Kyrylo Fesenko (62) $258,507
Total: $258,507
Pacers go from $48,234,269 to $49,205,017
Clippers release Kyrylo Fesenko (62) $258,507
Part 2
Clippers send:
Mo Williams (78) $8,500,000 $8,500,000 (PO)
Randy Foye (77) $4,250,000
LAC 2014 2nd
Total: $12,750,000
Pacers send:
George Hill (77) $2,086,359 - $3,069,467
Troy Murphy (77) $1,325,181
Devin Ebanks (68) $762,195
Total: $4,173,735
Pacers go from $49,205,017 to $57,781,282
Part 3
Pacers send:
Leandro Barbosa (79) $7,600,000
IND 2014 1st
Total: $7,600,000 (*1,25 > $8,100,000)
Bobcats send:
Kirk Hinrich (79) $8,100,000
CHA 2012 2nd
Total: $8,100,000
I accept. I needed to change some things up. I get a point guard that I can insert into the starting lineup. Hinrich is performing. I also get some more pieces that I think can help my team to more wins. Along with the new players, I also get some picks to help add to my team in the form of rookies.
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Larry Bird
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Post by Larry Bird on May 31, 2012 4:14:00 GMT
Whole trade looks like this.
Clippers
Trade:
Mo Williams (78) $8,500,000 $8,500,000 (PO)
Randy Foye (77) $4,250,000
Reggie Evans (71) $1,229,255
LAC 2013 1st
Sofoklis Schortsanitis' rights
Receive:
George Hill (77) $2,086,359 - $3,069,467
Troy Murphy (77) $1,325,181
Devin Ebanks (68) $762,195
Kyrylo Fesenko (62) $258,507
Incoming Salary: $4,432,242
Outgoing Salary: $13,979,255
New Team Salary: $55,311,001
Pacers
Trade:
Leandro Barbosa (79) $7,600,000
George Hill (77) $2,086,359 - $3,069,467
Troy Murphy (77) $1,325,181
Devin Ebanks (68) $762,195
Kyrylo Fesenko (62) $258,507
IND 2014 1st
Receive:
Kirk Hinrich (79) $8,100,000
Mo Williams (78) $8,500,000 $8,500,000 (PO)
Randy Foye (77) $4,250,000
Reggie Evans (71) $1,229,255
CHA 2012 2nd
LAC 2013 1st
LAC 2014 2nd
Incoming Salary: $22,079,255
Outgoing Salary: $12,032,242
New Team Salary: $58,281,282
Bobcats
Trade:
Kirk Hinrich (79) $8,100,000
CHA 2012 2nd
Receive:
Leandro Barbosa (79) $7,600,000
IND 2014 1st
Sofoklis Schortsanitis' rights
Incoming Salary: $7,600,000
Outgoing Salary: $8,100,000
New Team Salary: $46,002,695
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Lucas Lutkus
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on May 31, 2012 4:28:48 GMT
I accept too
I give away Hinrich and a 2012 2nd rounder to get:
- A true Shooting Guard that can start on my team in Barbosa, he's not better than Hinrich, but i'm brazilian and i really like him.
- A 2014 1st round pick, a 1st rounder is always a 1st rounder
- The Rights of Sofoklis Schortsanitis, the 26 yr-old greek center that plays in Tel-Aviv. His contract expires this year and i think he's going to the NBA, a huge presence inside for my team.
There's no reason for me not to accept it haha
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Post by Alex English on May 31, 2012 4:48:39 GMT
I have two questions:
1. Who is Sofoklis Schortsanitis?
2. Does this mean we can trade for the draft rights of unsigned picks? Because I have some negotiating to do with a certain someone if the answer is yes.
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Larry Bird
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Post by Larry Bird on May 31, 2012 4:49:50 GMT
His nickname is Baby Shaq.
I have no idea. It was their part of the deal.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 31, 2012 4:56:48 GMT
Not sure...don't think the Sofolokis thing is going to work...will await word from Ian before my vote comes in.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on May 31, 2012 4:59:27 GMT
I have two questions: 1. Who is Sofoklis Schortsanitis? 2. Does this mean we can trade for the draft rights of unsigned picks? Because I have some negotiating to do with a certain someone if the answer is yes. I don't see why not. There is certainly no rule in the league against it. If Raptors can hold the rights for Jonas Valanciunas I don't see why Clippers could not hold Sofoklis Schortsanitis' rights. If that's the case, draft rights should be available for trade as draft picks. I am just guessing really. Draft rights are not very hard to find: www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/draft/unsigneddraftpicks.jsp |
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Post by Alex English on May 31, 2012 5:10:01 GMT
If Raptors can hold the rights for Jonas Valanciunas... What a fantastic choice for an example.  |
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Post by Rubén Magnano on May 31, 2012 5:12:32 GMT
If Raptors can hold the rights for Jonas Valanciunas... What a fantastic choice for an example. We want rights too, hahaha. |
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Post by thegame on May 31, 2012 6:29:55 GMT
Horrible example ba, Jonas was a lottery pick which 1st rounders are a guarantee contract whereas second rounder are not. Plus Sofoklis Schortsanitis will never ever play in the NBA. The man is a star in Greece, but although he is baby shaq, he is more of an oliver miller.
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Lucas Lutkus
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on May 31, 2012 6:34:21 GMT
Horrible example ba, Jonas was a lottery pick which 1st rounders are a guarantee contract whereas second rounder are not. Plus Sofoklis Schortsanitis will never ever play in the NBA. The man is a star in Greece, but although he is baby shaq, he is more of an oliver miller. Well, Omer Asik was a 2006 2nd rounder, he went to NBA only in 2010 and is now a very important player in the Bulls. He's 25, only 1 year younger then Baby Shaq and he is worst offensively. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 6:34:43 GMT
Is this a trade back?
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Post by thegame on May 31, 2012 6:51:02 GMT
Horrible example ba, Jonas was a lottery pick which 1st rounders are a guarantee contract whereas second rounder are not. Plus Sofoklis Schortsanitis will never ever play in the NBA. The man is a star in Greece, but although he is baby shaq, he is more of an oliver miller. Well, Omer Asik was a 2006 2nd rounder, he went to NBA only in 2010 and is now a very important player in the Bulls. He's 25, only 1 year younger then Baby Shaq and he is worst offensively. Asik was drafted in 08, baby shaq was drafted in 03, and has gained 55 pounds from then. The man is still raw i don't see him coming over to the nba anytime soon. |
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Post by Danny Longley on May 31, 2012 7:23:23 GMT
If we get to keep rights, I want me some Nick Calathes lol.
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on May 31, 2012 10:58:09 GMT
Either way, the rights to this player won't make or break this deal for anyone.
I accept. Hill is a quality upgrade for me, Murphy gives me a more balanced bench (instead of all guards) and I save a ton of money next season.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on May 31, 2012 13:45:30 GMT
Either way, the rights to this player won't make or break this deal for anyone. Yes. If Sofoklis Schortsanitis' rights cannot be included, Bobcats will accept the deal without him. He was included as a gift from Clippers for helping to get the trade work salary wise. With that said, Bobcats would rather get him. I think Sofoklis Schortsanitis might never come over to the NBA but Bobcats organization is in no position to turn down gifts. ;D Horrible example ba, Jonas was a lottery pick which 1st rounders are a guarantee contract whereas second rounder are not. Plus Sofoklis Schortsanitis will never ever play in the NBA. The man is a star in Greece, but although he is baby shaq, he is more of an oliver miller. I agree it wasn't a very good example but the point is we want rights too. |
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Post by Ian Noble on May 31, 2012 18:20:28 GMT
This Greek guy I've never heard of - you can't trade the rights to him. Just as Toronto cannot trade the rights to Jonas.
With that being the case can I also have Lucas Lutkus's re-acceptance before we continue guys?
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Lucas Lutkus
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on May 31, 2012 19:49:40 GMT
This Greek guy I've never heard of - you can't trade the rights to him. Just as Toronto cannot trade the rights to Jonas. With that being the case can I also have Lucas Lutkus's re-acceptance before we continue guys? ok  i re-accept without Baby Shaq rights |
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Post by Rubén Magnano on May 31, 2012 21:54:51 GMT
This Greek guy I've never heard of - you can't trade the rights to him. Just as Toronto cannot trade the rights to Jonas. With that being the case can I also have Lucas Lutkus's re-acceptance before we continue guys? Alright, thanks for the clarification. Maybe, that could be added to the trading rules: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rules&action=display&thread=12Sofoklis Schortsanitis, I miss you already.  |
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on Jun 2, 2012 1:12:47 GMT
where are the TC? Let's accept this trade hahaha
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jun 2, 2012 2:06:44 GMT
I'm not sure I'm allowed to vote... if I am, then I accept
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Jun 2, 2012 2:12:15 GMT
I'm not sure I'm allowed to vote... if I am, then I accept Bobcats already accepted the deal without Sofoklis Schortsanitis and everything works salary wise so i don't see why there should be a problem. Clippers still need to release Fesenko in the "Player Release" section but he is probably waiting for the deal to be accepted. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 2, 2012 2:20:09 GMT
I reject the following part of the trade...
Clippers send:
Reggie Evans (71) $1,229,255
LAC 2013 1st
Sofoklis Schortsanitis' rights
Total: $1,229,255
Pacers send:
Kyrylo Fesenko (62) $258,507
Total: $258,507
KYRYLO FESENKO gets a 1st rounder AND a player who is 9 points better than him at a similar position?
For me, every part of the trade has to work, not just the net end result.
Unless Ian informs me to vote on just the entire swap...but I always thought each part of a broken down trade like this needs to work.
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Post by Larry Bird on Jun 2, 2012 2:23:01 GMT
He doesn't know if he can vote bc he's part of the Pacer organization.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Jun 2, 2012 2:25:07 GMT
The deal is divided into 3 parts only for salary reasons. If we could we would have posted all at once but the deal is still the same.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Jun 2, 2012 2:25:32 GMT
He doesn't know if he can vote bc he's part of the Pacer organization. Oh, yeah. Hahhahaha. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 2, 2012 2:26:00 GMT
If it has to be split into 3 parts for salary purposes, then it is 3 different trades.
I reject, as previously explained.
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Jun 2, 2012 2:42:39 GMT
There are not 3 trades here, just 1.
It may have 3 parts to navigate the salary cap requirements but make no mistake, none of these 3 parts happen without the other.
To not consider this because it has 3 parts doesn't make sense to me. I would think you would want to reward the GMs who take the time to negotiate complex, multi-team deals, not make it a negative thing.
If we need to regroup, it can easily be done but I just don't see the need. I think we have 1 reject but that is the only vote so far.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 2, 2012 3:01:42 GMT
As I said, I'll wait for Ian to tell me how he wants us to vote on these types of trades. I understand the time it takes to put together trades like this, but it's also easy for someone to slip something through sometimes that normally wouldn't fly.
Such as Fesenko garnering a superior player AND a 1st round pick.
I'm perfectly willing to look at the rest/whole of this trade if that's how I'm told to look at it. This is just the way I've always voted on multi-part trades...each part has to work.
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Post by Aubrey Graham on Jun 2, 2012 3:17:28 GMT
I accept
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