CLE-NYK

[Spike Lee]

Hanamichi popped my trade cherry

^{Cleveland Cavaliers}
76 Tristan Thompson $6,500,000 $6,500,000 $7,000,000 $7,000,000 $7,500,000
68 Cameron Bairstow $500,000 $600,000 $700,000

$7,000,000

^{New York Knicks}
73 Bismack Biyombo $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $5,000,000
71 Austin Rivers $1,656,100 $2,452,684 $3,411,684
2017 NYK 2nd

$6,656,100

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Nice trade.

I would've taken Hill and a 2nd if I were you though, CLE.

[Spike Lee]

^^^^^^ hater

[Brian Scalabrine]

You talking shit about bismack?

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Feb 6, 2015 16:52:23 GMT Brian Scalabrine said:

You talking shit about bismack?

Haha. I love him, live in charlotte. But he is rated sooo shitty here. He's been doing great this january, put up like 5 dub dubs in 7 games when big Al was out. But... Big al.

[Ian Noble]

I don't really understand why Cleveland's making this trade. Thompson has value.

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Meh, it seems like a pretty good trade to me. Biyombo isn't the poison that his rating makes him out to be, while Rivers is playing well under Daddydoo, and bairstow is shit.

[Bryan Colangelo]

I agree, i would say Thompson is wayy better than Biyombo right now

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Feb 6, 2015 17:49:55 GMT Bryan Colangelo said:

I agree, i would say Thompson is wayy better than Biyombo right now

And MKG is way better than Whiteside... but its not like someone is trading away Jeff Teague. If Cleveland accepts, and they haven't, it should probably go through. Clevelands been actively shopping TT, and no one gave him a better offer, though I liked my offer better :/

[Bryan Colangelo]

I agree but i rather hear why Cleveland wants to trade TT.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

I'd rather have real-life Biyombo over real-life TT, but I seem to be developing a Hornets bias. There's a reason they were better with Big Al out...

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Feb 6, 2015 20:25:40 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I'd rather have real-life Biyombo over real-life TT, but I seem to be developing a Hornets bias. There's a reason they were better with Big Al out...

A lot of that was Kemba , but Biyombo really did step up. People in this thread are selling him short, and his rating is selling him short too.

[Alex English]

Thompson is the best player here, but he's also not that great of a player either. He's capable of being a solid starting PF but still just a complimentary player. Bismack looks like a decent rim protector but is very limited offensively. Austin Rivers is awful though, I really don't think he is an NBA level player outside of being bench filler. He'd do better in Europe.

I don't think the difference here is enough to reject this. I'll accept.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

I accept.

I thought the burden to explain will be on NYK's side coz this is actually the best deal that I got for TT, IMHO.

I love TT. I really believe that if he go to another team which can give him the starting spot, he will prosper. But thanks to a Cleveland native named Adam Collins who told me that TT and LBJ has the same agent and the people in Cleveland really believes that he will stay, I decided to go for this trade.

I traded TT for two reasons, I dont see Draymond resigning with us if TT is around and his contract is pretty big too. Another one, because I got Biyombo. He looks like a big BUST right now because he is a 2011 draftee but thats fine because Charlotte loves him and his coach loves him and Al Jeff is old and everybody see him as a bust already and many more. haha

thats all for now. thanks

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Feb 6, 2015 20:30:19 GMT @riogho said:

Feb 6, 2015 20:25:40 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I'd rather have real-life Biyombo over real-life TT, but I seem to be developing a Hornets bias. There's a reason they were better with Big Al out...

A lot of that was Kemba , but Biyombo really did step up. People in this thread are selling him short, and his rating is selling him short too.

I really dont know right now if what you are telling everyone will help this trade goes through because with the way you are commenting you may end up revealing how high the ceiling of Biyombo is. haha

[Jeremiah Hill]

Feb 6, 2015 20:25:40 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I'd rather have real-life Biyombo over real-life TT, but I seem to be developing a Hornets bias. There's a reason they were better with Big Al out...

There isn't a Hornets bias all of the good Hornets players have good ratings and all the average and terrible players have appropriate ratings. 

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ITT: people who haven't watched basketball in like a year

[Jeremiah Hill]

Feb 7, 2015 0:41:34 GMT @riogho said:

ITT: people who haven't watched basketball in like a year

Who specifically?

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Feb 7, 2015 0:54:13 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

Feb 7, 2015 0:41:34 GMT @riogho said:

ITT: people who haven't watched basketball in like a year

Who specifically?

You think Biyombo is a 73? And Zeller is a 70? 

I didn't mean anything by it, really, just being playful. But Josh is right, some hornets are pretty undervalued here. Everyone called trade rape, to think that TT is SO MUCH BETTER than Biyombo means you haven't watched either of them much, imo. I haven't had a job since basketball season started, I've seen a lot. Biyombo looks just as good, maybe better. 

[Jeremiah Hill]

Feb 7, 2015 1:00:21 GMT @riogho said:

Feb 7, 2015 0:54:13 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

Who specifically?

You think Biyombo is a 73? And Zeller is a 70? 

I didn't mean anything by it, really, just being playful. But Josh is right, some hornets are pretty undervalued here. Everyone called trade rape, to think that TT is SO MUCH BETTER than Biyombo means you haven't watched either of them much, imo. I haven't had a job since basketball season started, I've seen a lot. Biyombo looks just as good, maybe better. 

I think a guy averaging 4 points a game and is a role player on a fringe playoff team is a 73 and I'm the one who is insane? He's a 6'9" center who can't shoot and doesn't have size. In that respect he is similar to Thompson. However Thompson has proven to have a special rebounding ability particularly on the offensive end. Has shown hints of developing an OK midrange shot although he doesn't need to worry about that on his current team. 

Zeller is a 7 foot player averaging a worse FG % than some guards. That's not good. I don't think he's particularly impressive on the defensive end either. Is he better than last season? Sure but ATL is rebuilding its not like he's gonna submit a rating change thread on him. But he really shouldn't be that high either. 

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I understand, thats what I'm saying. Looking at the stats is misleading. Biyombo was playing behind Big al... because well, its Big al. When Biyombo played he was a beast on the defensive end of the floor. Enough to be a 74-75 imo on defensive end alone.

I'm not calling you insane, or calling you stupid. I'm just saying, I've watched the hornets A LOT, and Josh has too, and he will agree with me. Biyombo, MKG, and Zeller are all better than their ratings suggest. Biyombo and Zellers season stats are a matter of circumstance. Like I said, when Big Al was out, both Biyombo and MKG averaged double doubles. Thats not a fluke. I understand they might not have "proven" to be rated higher. And I wouldn't start a thread saying they should be rated higher. But I think ni the future they will be rated higher, because they ARE better than their ratings, they just need time to prove it.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Feb 7, 2015 1:49:42 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

Feb 7, 2015 1:00:21 GMT @riogho said:

You think Biyombo is a 73? And Zeller is a 70? 

I didn't mean anything by it, really, just being playful. But Josh is right, some hornets are pretty undervalued here. Everyone called trade rape, to think that TT is SO MUCH BETTER than Biyombo means you haven't watched either of them much, imo. I haven't had a job since basketball season started, I've seen a lot. Biyombo looks just as good, maybe better. 

I think a guy averaging 4 points a game and is a role player on a fringe playoff team is a 73 and I'm the one who is insane? He's a 6'9" center who can't shoot and doesn't have size. In that respect he is similar to Thompson. However Thompson has proven to have a special rebounding ability particularly on the offensive end. Has shown hints of developing an OK midrange shot although he doesn't need to worry about that on his current team. 

Zeller is a 7 foot player averaging a worse FG % than some guards. That's not good. I don't think he's particularly impressive on the defensive end either. Is he better than last season? Sure but ATL is rebuilding its not like he's gonna submit a rating change thread on him. But he really shouldn't be that high either. 

no offense, but this is the comment of someone who has watched Cavs games and not Hornets games

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^

[Andrei Kirilenko]

I feel like Jeremiah has seen Buyombo tho since he's trading for him

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Feb 7, 2015 2:01:31 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I feel like Jeremiah has seen Buyombo tho since he's trading for him

Cleveland is the one trading for him. Longest trade thread ever, go confusion!

[Walt Frazier]

Honestly not sure what the fuss is here. But I'm not Tristan's biggest fan, and I think Biyombo is ok/decent.

Accept

[Bryan Colangelo]

I accept

[Jeremiah Hill]

Feb 7, 2015 2:01:31 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I feel like Jeremiah has seen Buyombo tho since he's trading for him

I think Barber has to reduce himself to lame comments without actually defending his point which is indefensible because it's flawed because there is no evidence to suggest that Bismack is deserving of more than a 73 or than people are against rating Charlotte players well. 

I can say Thompson is a gifted offensive rebounder because he is top 5 in offensive boards coming off the bench. It has nothing to do with my Cavs fandom. Bismack is a great per 36 baby who hasn't proven he can contribute when given larger minutes and relied on for more than garbage buckets. I'm asking for a player to be responsible for more than two layups a game in order to be considered for a raise above 73. I ask for more reasoning other than Barber saying "just trust me". 

Its been a while since BB got solid minutes over a long stretch of time. He might be better now, that is the gamble that CLE is taking. But he might still just be terrible like he was. But we shouldn't base ratings on mights. TT is inherently flawed as a player and might only get marginally better. I never even said I was against this trade even if I think it is bad for CLE. 

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Feb 7, 2015 2:45:34 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

Feb 7, 2015 2:01:31 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I feel like Jeremiah has seen Buyombo tho since he's trading for him

I think Barber has to reduce himself to lame comments without actually defending his point which is indefensible because it's flawed because there is no evidence to suggest that Bismack is deserving of more than a 73 or than people are against rating Charlotte players well. 

I can say Thompson is a gifted offensive rebounder because he is top 5 in offensive boards coming off the bench. It has nothing to do with my Cavs fandom. Bismack is a great per 36 baby who hasn't proven he can contribute when given larger minutes and relied on for more than garbage buckets. I'm asking for a player to be responsible for more than two layups a game in order to be considered for a raise above 73. I ask for more reasoning other than Barber saying "just trust me". 

Its been a while since BB got solid minutes over a long stretch of time. He might be better now, that is the gamble that CLE is taking. But he might still just be terrible like he was. But we shouldn't base ratings on mights. TT is inherently flawed as a player and might only get marginally better. I never even said I was against this trade even if I think it is bad for CLE. 

The last time Biyombo got starter minutes, in january, when Big Al was out, he looked positively great. Just saying, you might not have watched it, or thought it was garbage time, but the Hornets were on a win streak then for a reason. Half of it was Kemba, but the other half was MKG and Biyombo fucking dominating the boards, and both of them scored well. 

That said, he still doesn't have an offensive game, and probably never will.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Feb 7, 2015 2:57:51 GMT @riogho said:

A five game win streak vs 4 non playoff teams and one vs Toronto without their second best player is noting to get a boner about. I won't lie and say I watch a shit load of Hornets games but I've seen enough of them over the past few years to know that Bismack is nothing to write home about as a player. And I usually catch them when they are on national tv or in the playoffs because literally anything is better than watcng the bullshit Lakers the past two years.