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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 2, 2015 18:12:51 GMT
Current Rating: 77
Suggested Rating: 82
Stats: 10.2 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.5 apg, 0.6 bpg, 0.5 spg. 44.6% fg
So I've watched about every Hornets game this season, and MKG has probably been the best, or at least most consistent, player on the roster. His defense is amazing, his rebounding is great, but I think what people have been most impressed with is the way he is attacking on offense. He just seems like a new player this year the way he attacks the basket instead of settling for jumpers. He hasn't even attempted a 3 pointer all season. To put it into perspective, he is shooting 44.6% on a team that averages 42.3%
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 2, 2015 18:35:04 GMT
Sorry Barber, this seems like a pretty far stretch. I will give a vote of a 78. I like MKG and the potential he has, but I still haven't seen him take it to the next level. I watched him in real life when he played the Cavs and I was not impressed at all with this shooting. For his offensive game set, much like Dragic's, he should have a higher FG%.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 18:36:04 GMT
79. I was trying to come up with a way to start a MKG thread but then when I compared his stats to other people they were around 79
I've watched most hornets games as well, and I love MKG.
his rebounding needs to be strong, his defensive awareness needs to be raised.
but yeah his percentages are terrible, and the jumper still isn't there for him. he is definitely a slash and d type player, which is good for the hornets. However, most of his best games were when Big Al and Lance were out and his usage rate was way up. He put up great stats along with Biyombo there for a time. I don't think he is a 80+ player though. Maybe one day.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 2, 2015 18:46:13 GMT
78 he still can't shoot and is a liability on offense. No way is he even close to 80+
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 2, 2015 19:08:19 GMT
Dude is an 80 on defense alone. He's also the number 2 rebounding SF in the league behind only Draymond Green. They keep showing a graphic during Hornets games that he is averaging a double-double over the past month
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 2, 2015 19:09:49 GMT
78 he still can't shoot and is a liability on offense. No way is he even close to 80+ He can't shoot, but he definitely isn't a liability on offense. He is probably the best "go get a bucket" guy the Hornets have outside of Al |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 2, 2015 19:15:17 GMT
I'd take kemba over him and even though he's been awful even Lance and probably Gerald Henderson on offense. 46 percent when you don't even shoot 3s is really bad. It should be at minimum 50 percent probably higher.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 2, 2015 19:16:48 GMT
He mucks up the spacing making it harder for every one
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 2, 2015 19:54:33 GMT
sooo who else besides Brian has never seen a Hornets game
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Feb 2, 2015 20:13:50 GMT
80
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Post by James Kay on Feb 2, 2015 21:04:02 GMT
Current Rating: 77 Suggested Rating: 82 Stats: 10.2 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.5 apg, 0.6 bpg, 0.5 spg. 44.6% fg So I've watched about every Hornets game this season, and MKG has probably been the best, or at least most consistent, player on the roster. His defense is amazing, his rebounding is great, but I think what people have been most impressed with is the way he is attacking on offense. He just seems like a new player this year the way he attacks the basket instead of settling for jumpers. He hasn't even attempted a 3 pointer all season. To put it into perspective, he is shooting 44.6% on a team that averages 42.3% What is your opinion of Wiggins, Josh? He is rated an 80 and tbh playing much much better than MKG. I feel like they have relatively similar skillsets |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 2, 2015 21:05:36 GMT
Wiggins is fine where he is, but MKG definitely should not be in the 80+ category yet.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 2, 2015 21:18:38 GMT
Current Rating: 77 Suggested Rating: 82 Stats: 10.2 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.5 apg, 0.6 bpg, 0.5 spg. 44.6% fg So I've watched about every Hornets game this season, and MKG has probably been the best, or at least most consistent, player on the roster. His defense is amazing, his rebounding is great, but I think what people have been most impressed with is the way he is attacking on offense. He just seems like a new player this year the way he attacks the basket instead of settling for jumpers. He hasn't even attempted a 3 pointer all season. To put it into perspective, he is shooting 44.6% on a team that averages 42.3% What is your opinion of Wiggins, Josh? He is rated an 80 and tbh playing much much better than MKG. I feel like they have relatively similar skillsets I don't think anyone who lives in the real basketball world and not in the ESPN hypezone would say Wiggins is playing 'much much better' than MKG. They are two guys with completely different styles of play. MKG is a lockdown defender and a slasher, Wiggins is trying to develop into the best player on a bad team. Honestly, if MKG was on the T-Wolves, he could easily average the 15 ppg that Wiggins gets. And he is a much better defender. If I'm rating them without any bias, I put Wiggins at 79 and MKG at 80 |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 2, 2015 21:23:07 GMT
Wiggins can actually shoot though and he a really good defender. Mkg is nothing more than a slightly more athletic Tony Allen at this point, who isn't quite as good defensively
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 21:24:42 GMT
MKG is a monster on the glass.
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Post by Alex English on Feb 2, 2015 21:34:35 GMT
I'll give him a 79. He's not worth an 80+ imo. He can't shoot the basketball. Yea he's a great defender and rebounder, but he's still a low end starter in the league at this point because of his limitations. I think his biggest strength is that he is still just 21 years old, so he still has a lot more time to develop.
Also he's definitely not better than Wiggins who is also a great defender and his 15.5 ppg doesn't tell his story. He started off with a shitty 12 ppg on 38.5% shooting but he's gotten his feet under him and in his last 21 games he's putting up 19.8 ppg on 47.7% shooting.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Feb 2, 2015 21:34:42 GMT
Parsons > MKG
No way he deserves an 82.
79 at most.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 2, 2015 23:17:38 GMT
Hahahahahahahaahhaaha, I was at the Hornets game where the Cavs blew them out by like 40 points. Man, crazy defense there. Part of the reason that happened is because MKG is bad enough on offense that Kevin Love could guard him one on one. This increase thread is bullshit, you should be arguing for why he doesn't deserve a decrease. 76.
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Feb 2, 2015 23:18:06 GMT
79 ^^
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 3, 2015 0:22:00 GMT
79
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 3, 2015 1:51:26 GMT
Kind of like to get everyone's head centered here. The league as a whole voted Draymond Green at a 79. Many people here have put in a 79. Here is their comparison stats:
Dray - 11.5 / 7.9 / 3.5 / 1.6stl / 1.4blk shooting 43.8 / 33.3 / 69.7
MKG - 10.2 / 7.2 / 1.5 / 0.5stl / 0.6blk shooting 44.6 / 0.0 / 67.2
Assist is a HUGE deal in ratings, it's only "2" but that's pretty big in ratings. Steals and Blocks are both huge. and even though 33.3% from 3 is far from great, it's miles and miles ahead of MKG's 0%.
Everything else favors Draymond slightly or is close enough to call a wash.
Why is MKG getting so many 78/79 ratings when the league only put Draymond at a 79? There is a LARGE rating gap between these two.
I vote no increase for MKG. 77
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 3, 2015 2:00:14 GMT
Thought Walt was arguing in my favor at first, should have known that it will never happen.
MKG is better than everyone is giving him credit for, its funny how two people have mentioned they are only basing their rating on one game against the Cavs.
MKG averaged a double-double in January. As a small forward. And is one of the best defensive players in the league.
It's funny to me that Walt brings up steals and blocks when 10 out of 10 people would agree that MKG is a better defender than Green. It's not always about stats guys, sometimes you actually have to watch people play to see how good they are
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 3, 2015 2:08:43 GMT
Thought Walt was arguing in my favor at first, should have known that it will never happen. MKG is better than everyone is giving him credit for, its funny how two people have mentioned they are only basing their rating on one game against the Cavs. MKG averaged a double-double in January. As a small forward. And is one of the best defensive players in the league. It's funny to me that Walt brings up steals and blocks when 10 out of 10 people would agree that M KG is a better defender than Green. It's not always about stats guys, sometimes you actually have to watch people play to see how good they are Draymond is the top contender for the DPY and I actually never heard MKG in the discussion. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 2:17:57 GMT
As you argue MKG just put up another double double against the Wizards.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 3, 2015 2:22:06 GMT
Thought Walt was arguing in my favor at first, should have known that it will never happen. MKG is better than everyone is giving him credit for, its funny how two people have mentioned they are only basing their rating on one game against the Cavs. MKG averaged a double-double in January. As a small forward. And is one of the best defensive players in the league. It's funny to me that Walt brings up steals and blocks when 10 out of 10 people would agree that MKG is a better defender than Green. It's not always about stats guys, sometimes you actually have to watch people play to see how good they are I argue that MKG's negative effect on the offense cancels out any positive effect he may have on defense. I have watched him play, he's athletic and good on defense. Do you know how many players like that in the NBA? Like a shit load. How many of those guys can also shoot? Almost all of them. You can't sit there and say that MKG is so damn good when can't he get full starter minutes over Gerald Henderson. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 3, 2015 2:27:45 GMT
As you argue MKG just put up another double double against the Wizards. Dude tons of players get double doubles. It happens all the time. Tristan Thompson has 11 double doubles this season with the same minutes. MKG has 7 might as well make TT an 85. You are being ridiculous. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 3, 2015 2:30:21 GMT
Thought Walt was arguing in my favor at first, should have known that it will never happen. MKG is better than everyone is giving him credit for, its funny how two people have mentioned they are only basing their rating on one game against the Cavs. MKG averaged a double-double in January. As a small forward. And is one of the best defensive players in the league. It's funny to me that Walt brings up steals and blocks when 10 out of 10 people would agree that MKG is a better defender than Green. It's not always about stats guys, sometimes you actually have to watch people play to see how good they are hahaha dude you are the one living in your own little bubble right now. 10 out of 10 people agree MKG is the better defender than Draymond Green? Really man? That's basically the final straw for me. I already thought you were trolling but I thought you were occasionally serious. Now I know you're 100% troll all the time. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 3, 2015 2:41:52 GMT
Thought Walt was arguing in my favor at first, should have known that it will never happen. MKG is better than everyone is giving him credit for, its funny how two people have mentioned they are only basing their rating on one game against the Cavs. MKG averaged a double-double in January. As a small forward. And is one of the best defensive players in the league. It's funny to me that Walt brings up steals and blocks when 10 out of 10 people would agree that MKG is a better defender than Green. It's not always about stats guys, sometimes you actually have to watch people play to see how good they are hahaha dude you are the one living in your own little bubble right now. 10 out of 10 people agree MKG is the better defender than Draymond Green? Really man? That's basically the final straw for me. I already thought you were trolling but I thought you were occasionally serious. Now I know you're 100% troll all the time. Dude Crest can't even get all ten dentists to agree on toothpaste and you managed to get 10 people, 5 of them actively disagreeing with you to agree with you on a player. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 2:45:10 GMT
As you argue MKG just put up another double double against the Wizards. Dude tons of players get double doubles. It happens all the time. Tristan Thompson has 11 double doubles this season with the same minutes. MKG has 7 might as well make TT an 85. You are being ridiculous. Come the fuck on, what is TT rated? 79 seems about fair, which is what I just rates MKG. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 3, 2015 2:48:31 GMT
Dude tons of players get double doubles. It happens all the time. Tristan Thompson has 11 double doubles this season with the same minutes. MKG has 7 might as well make TT an 85. You are being ridiculous. Come the fuck on, what is TT rated? 79 seems about fair, which is what I just rates MKG. Not about your rating, about Josh's. |
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