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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 26, 2015 0:07:46 GMT
Current Rating: 75
His numbers: 12.9 pts 4.2 rebs 2.9 asts in 33 mins
Here is the amazing numbers: 51.6% FG and 53.3% 3FG
We need to give some consideration to this shooter.
Going with 78.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 0:10:52 GMT
75
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Post by Alex English on Jan 26, 2015 0:15:32 GMT
I think 78 is alright. I wouldn't go any higher than that though. He's ultimately just a role player. A ridiculous 95% of his field goals are assisted. He really is just a catch and shoot player. An incredibly good catch and shoot player but still just that. If a team can run him off the three point line he's pretty much irrelevant.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 26, 2015 0:24:27 GMT
79 though I basically agree with alexs point
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jan 26, 2015 0:31:55 GMT
79 ^^
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 26, 2015 0:35:55 GMT
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 26, 2015 1:25:00 GMT
Career high assists and 2nd best rebound #'s in his career. He sneaks some steal/block in there but nothing to get excited about. Still, those assist and rebound numbers aren't exactly stellar, but I'm gonna go at my extreme high end b/c I think he'll fall off in his career from here, so I want to give him credit for the career year.
76
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Post by Chris Mullin on Jan 26, 2015 16:49:04 GMT
80, shooting ridiculous %'s this year. I don't care if all of his shots are assisted, teams know what Korver does and yet he is still putting the ball through the basket at a 50% clip. Unreal
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jan 26, 2015 16:58:02 GMT
80
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Post by James Kay on Jan 26, 2015 17:11:51 GMT
78, shooting ridiculous %'s this year. I don't care if all of his shots are assisted, teams know what Korver does and yet he is still putting the ball through the basket at a 50% clip. Unreal 78 seems really low for "unreal" lol. I think Korver is more than just a good shooter. Solid D, great team player, good decision maker, gets decent assists - plus the godly shooting. 81. |
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Post by Chris Mullin on Jan 26, 2015 19:02:14 GMT
78, shooting ridiculous %'s this year. I don't care if all of his shots are assisted, teams know what Korver does and yet he is still putting the ball through the basket at a 50% clip. Unreal 78 seems really low for "unreal" lol. I think Korver is more than just a good shooter. Solid D, great team player, good decision maker, gets decent assists - plus the godly shooting. 81. Touche. Changed my rating to a 80 |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 26, 2015 23:52:51 GMT
He may put up a 50/40/90 year, which would be remarkable. Plus he showed us he can dunk, so that needs a little boost.
Anyways, my vote is an 76, he's a solid dude to have, its his career year. Don't imagine him being an 80 for long
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 27, 2015 0:29:58 GMT
I really believe higher than 79 for him is quite high already.
His Per is only at 15.8 and he is not a known good defender. Also, I believe, at 78/79 we can already show his magnificent shooting in the game.
I just look at his D5 numbers in November and he has a shooting line already of 47.7/45.7/100
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by Alex English on Jan 27, 2015 1:09:41 GMT
This is one of those examples where people overrate his overall skill due to his excellent shooting. Something, something halo effect...It's not like he's a career 50%+ three point shooter either. His career mark from three is 43%, he's just having an incredible season. He's a one dimensional player and he's the product of the Hawks great ball movement. There are a lot of players like him too. Steve Kerr did it for the Bulls in the 90s. Jason Kapono did it for the Heat and Raptors 7 or 8 years ago. Anthony Morrow did it for the Warriors 5 or 6 years ago. Steve Novak did for the Knicks a couple of years ago. Danny Green is doing it now for the Spurs. That's off the top of my head, I'm sure there are many more examples. Korver just isn't a dynamic or complete enough player to deserve an 80+ rating. His FG rating is already a 92 and his 3PT rating is already a 99. Where the hell are we supposed to put all these extra rating points he's being given? He's a shitty athlete and doesn't do anything else well enough to deserve the boost you guys are giving him. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 1:16:58 GMT
If I knew his shot ratings were already that high, I wouldnt of votrd him higher.
Where are we supposed to find this information?
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 27, 2015 1:22:08 GMT
We can still increase OA, and a little bit in Physicals and Rebs.
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Post by Alex English on Jan 27, 2015 1:34:59 GMT
The individual ratings database is only in the Ratings Committee section. I think it's a good idea to make it available to everyone, but whatever. Here are Korver's full ratings:
75 - Overall
1229 - Total Value
87 - O. Aware
92 - FG
99 - 3PT
98 - FT
20 - Dunk
55 - Pass
70 - Handle
40 - Inside
25 - Range
46 - 3PT%
7 - Style
12 - O. Reb
40 - D. Reb
58 - D. Aware
50 - Steal
20 - Block
71 - Speed
71 - Quick
45 - Jump
52 - Strength
86 - Stamina
90 - Injury
There isn't much room to play with there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 1:37:13 GMT
I agree with your assessment in all parts of that post.
Edited my rating of kyle
to be the same as it was
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 27, 2015 1:51:04 GMT
After seeing what Alex posted, and knowing how changing the ratings work, we really can't do much with it, I will edit my original post with my rating.
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Post by Allen Iverson on Jan 27, 2015 2:00:23 GMT
Individual Ratings Database was available before. Idk what happened, but it should be available to everyone now more than ever as these Stockwatch threads are coming in bunches. I myself would have voted a 79-80 increase because of Korver's insane shooting %s but now that those ratings are shown, I vote for 77 with slight increases on rebounding.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 2:01:05 GMT
The individual ratings database is only in the Ratings Committee section. I think it's a good idea to make it available to everyone, but whatever. Here are Korver's full ratings: 75 - Overall 1229 - Total Value 87 - O. Aware 92 - FG 99 - 3PT 98 - FT 20 - Dunk 55 - Pass 70 - Handle 40 - Inside 25 - Range 46 - 3PT% 7 - Style 12 - O. Reb 40 - D. Reb 58 - D. Aware 50 - Steal 20 - Block 71 - Speed 71 - Quick 45 - Jump 52 - Strength 86 - Stamina 90 - Injury There isn't much room to play with there. Yes, why cant we please have access to this. Not only does it give us a better idea of the player...but it also gives us a look at other teams players when trading. Plus we could get more involved into the ratings and the changes yet to be made but need to be. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 2:32:23 GMT
I understand the hesitancy in releasing full player ratings...
it will make this rating change process more difficult, and put more backlash towards Walt.
But there has to be a huge huge huge advantage in trade negotions for people with access to these. When I traded with Denver did I get super fucked by giving him Johnson for Allen? Only a few people know for sure, and when one of them is in the trade, if becomes ridiculously unfair.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 27, 2015 3:16:16 GMT
I understand the hesitancy in releasing full player ratings... it will make this rating change process more difficult, and put more backlash towards Walt. But there has to be a huge huge huge advantage in trade negotions for people with access to these. When I traded with Denver did I get super fucked by giving him Johnson for Allen? Only a few people know for sure, and when one of them is in the trade, if becomes ridiculously unfair. That's a valid thought to have, I can just say personally, I've never used them when assessing a trade. I'm a 100% real-life guy so I just think about and look at real-life value. The only D5 value I consider is league-value. Meaning, how the league seems to value a player I have or a player I might normally want or not want. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 27, 2015 3:26:07 GMT
Also, what I said above has no bearing on a decision to release or not release the ratings to the masses. I've actually been in favor of it myself as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 3:42:22 GMT
The individual ratings database is only in the Ratings Committee section. I think it's a good idea to make it available to everyone, but whatever. Here are Korver's full ratings: 75 - Overall 1229 - Total Value 87 - O. Aware 92 - FG 99 - 3PT 98 - FT 20 - Dunk 55 - Pass 70 - Handle 40 - Inside 25 - Range 46 - 3PT% 7 - Style 12 - O. Reb 40 - D. Reb 58 - D. Aware 50 - Steal 20 - Block 71 - Speed 71 - Quick 45 - Jump 52 - Strength 86 - Stamina 90 - Injury There isn't much room to play with there. Yes, why cant we please have access to this. Not only does it give us a better idea of the player...but it also gives us a look at other teams players when trading. Plus we could get more involved into the ratings and the changes yet to be made but need to be. It is funny to see injury attribute. Now normally some players are more injury prone than others. Since we now go by IRL health, is everyones health rating the sane? And how about those players that do seem to get injured from even a pinky sprain. Should those type players lose rating points somewhere? The same goes for guys who cant stay out of trouble. The ratings CMs can say all they want that they dont get an edge over us reg gms..but you guys do. I dont care how hard it makes it on Walt or the next guy. I would like to fairly see what other gms see. I like most every gm here but there have been times i second guessed what some gms are doing or had done...or how some teams win games when they dont have talent. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 27, 2015 3:49:07 GMT
I've already said my vote is for everyone to see the ratings, so, please don't try to make me sound like the bad guy keeping stuff from the league. Truly laughable.
As far as Injury ratings go, that is something we use on players only after we have adjusted everyone else. It DOES affect a player's rating just like any other attribute, but we try not to mess with it too much. To be honest, that is one of the highest I have seen and I'm not sure that I was the one to change him last time he got his change. I don't quite remember it but I've done a lot of them so I'll have to check back and see.
Anyway, we make all other changes to the player first, and if they still need to be raised or lowered by a small amount (5-10 points, max) we will use Injury to affect the remaining portion of the change.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 27, 2015 12:02:50 GMT
I understand the hesitancy in releasing full player ratings... it will make this rating change process more difficult, and put more backlash towards Walt. But there has to be a huge huge huge advantage in trade negotions for people with access to these. When I traded with Denver did I get super fucked by giving him Johnson for Allen? Only a few people know for sure, and when one of them is in the trade, if becomes ridiculously unfair. if you evaluate players, it is better to evaluate him through his Name not his rating because the RCs are doing there best trying to reflect the real life skills of each players. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 27, 2015 12:11:58 GMT
I've already said my vote is for everyone to see the ratings, so, please don't try to make me sound like the bad guy keeping stuff from the league. Truly laughable. As far as Injury ratings go, that is something we use on players only after we have adjusted everyone else. It DOES affect a player's rating just like any other attribute, but we try not to mess with it too much. To be honest, that is one of the highest I have seen and I'm not sure that I was the one to change him last time he got his change. I don't quite remember it but I've done a lot of them so I'll have to check back and see. Anyway, we make all other changes to the player first, and if they still need to be raised or lowered by a small amount (5-10 points, max) we will use Injury to affect the remaining portion of the change. I think almost all of us are in favor of showing it so may I know if how will you post/show it? If it is too much work, dont hurry about it.  |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 27, 2015 16:30:44 GMT
I've already said my vote is for everyone to see the ratings, so, please don't try to make me sound like the bad guy keeping stuff from the league. Truly laughable. As far as Injury ratings go, that is something we use on players only after we have adjusted everyone else. It DOES affect a player's rating just like any other attribute, but we try not to mess with it too much. To be honest, that is one of the highest I have seen and I'm not sure that I was the one to change him last time he got his change. I don't quite remember it but I've done a lot of them so I'll have to check back and see. Anyway, we make all other changes to the player first, and if they still need to be raised or lowered by a small amount (5-10 points, max) we will use Injury to affect the remaining portion of the change. I think almost all of us are in favor of showing it so may I know if how will you post/show it? If it is too much work, dont hurry about it. Not under my control man. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 27, 2015 17:11:01 GMT
I think almost all of us are in favor of showing it so may I know if how will you post/show it? If it is too much work, dont hurry about it. Not under my control man. whos call is it? |
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