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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 15, 2015 0:47:14 GMT
David West
Current Rating: 84
Suggested Rating: 80
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12.7/6.8/3.4 PPG/RBD/AST with 0.7 BLKs and 0.8 STLs on 47.3% shooting. Just not an 84 anymore, isn't thriving as a top option with George out like an "elite" player should.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 15, 2015 0:49:12 GMT
81
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 0:55:54 GMT
75 because Boozer's statistics are a good bit better.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 15, 2015 0:57:26 GMT
80. I almost don't wanna take him this low but if Favors' stats and superior athleticism & Defense get an 82 from the league, I don't see how West can be higher than an 80.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 15, 2015 2:23:19 GMT
81. Does the committee even count a vote such as Vlade's in this aspect? If they do, the committee shoiuldn't
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 2:27:31 GMT
81. Does the committee even count a vote such as Vlade's in this aspect? If they do, the committee shoiuldn't and why is that? |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 15, 2015 2:30:02 GMT
Because your rating is biased as you are the GM who has Boozer on his team. Do you seriously think David West is a 75? Because your statement completely displays a biased tone because your player was lowered in rating.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 2:34:08 GMT
Because your rating is biased as you are the GM who has Boozer on his team. Do you seriously think David West is a 75? Because your statement completely displays a biased tone because your player was lowered in rating. It's called making a point. Sure I used a little hyperbole, but why should West be rated higher than Boozer? |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 15, 2015 2:36:24 GMT
Because he is better. If you really think Boozer is better than West, you may need to watch them play. If Boozer is so great, why would the Bulls waive him? Just a thought.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 15, 2015 3:15:48 GMT
81. Does the committee even count a vote such as Vlade's in this aspect? If they do, the committee shoiuldn't The lowest vote, and highest vote, are excluded, and we average the rest. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 15, 2015 3:16:36 GMT
Well that's good. Makes a lot of sense to filter situations as this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 12:29:50 GMT
Because he is better. If you really think Boozer is better than West, you may need to watch them play. If Boozer is so great, why would the Bulls waive him? Just a thought. Who attached the adjective "great" to either one of these guys? Look rookie, you need to calm down and quit putting words in my mouth. Last time I saw these guys play, last year, I would agree that West outproduced Boozer in terms of both the eye test and statistics. With that said, however, Boozer's statistics are better than West's this year....what am I suppose to conclude from this fact? |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 15, 2015 13:01:21 GMT
"Let's face it, he pretty much stinks on ice if you judge him solely based on the eye test. Therefore, I am going to say that Love should be an 85." - Vlade.
So why can we apply the eye test to Love, but when it comes to your player, we can't? Man, if we based all your arguments on your own provenance, you would be a walking contradiction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 15:24:01 GMT
"Let's face it, he pretty much stinks on ice if you judge him solely based on the eye test. Therefore, I am going to say that Love should be an 85." - Vlade. So why can we apply the eye test to Love, but when it comes to your player, we can't? Man, if we based all your arguments on your own provenance, you would be a walking contradiction. Bravo on pointing out the "contradictions." You must be some kind of liberal arts major at Harvard to figure that one out! Too bad you took me out of context! Let me give you a check list of questions that will demonstrate this point. Did I vote for Love to be an 85? No! Can you believe that Boozer should be lowered than West? Yes Am I saying your wrong based on the eye test? No Are you allowed to vote however you want? Yes Am I allowed to vote however I want? Yes I am simply pointing out that people low balled Boozer and it's bullshit since his statistics are better than a guy like Wests. Does that make me a hypocrite? Let me show the reader the rest of my post so that they can decide for themselves: I am not going to vote on this given my history with Chris Bosh, but let me say a few things. #1: First, it's either poor GMing or a eerie coincidence that both the "elite" big men that Lebron chooses to pair up with, Chris Bosh and Kevin Love, go from historical levels of statistical production to crap. Next, it's eerie that I never saw either one of these guys play before they paired up with Lebron because their teams, Toronto and Minnesota, were never on TV...but I did see Love in college at UCLA. Lastly, its eerie that neither guy impresses me using the eye test. #2: Since we refused to lower Bosh, despite my vehement arguments to the contrary, I think Love should get "Chris Bosh Immunity" for at least the first year. #3: If it matters at all, I think Love is a better player than Bosh in almost every aspect of their games outside of the ability to jump. This fact makes it hard to judge them because I think Love might be in the Hall of Fame if he could jump while Bosh is just goofy. I don't know if this contributes anything to thread but I am really trying hard to be "the voice of reason" and be constant with our past rulings in regards to players in the same situation as Love. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 15, 2015 16:32:37 GMT
You stated he should be an 85, therefore you are implying what your vote would be. Your above comment doesn't relate to anything I mentioned about using the eye test for one, but not the other. You are basing your vote on statistics, but as you mentioned, you would be using the eye test to set your vote for Love.
I am sorry you contradict yourself nonstop, only you can help that. I am happy to know you think I am smart though, I appreciate it. Also, I am a tax accountant, but nice guess. I would never vote for Obama as a liberal arts person would.
It's okay though, the ratings have a control to negate unintellectual votes.
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Post by Chris Mullin on Jan 15, 2015 17:44:08 GMT
80
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 23:39:45 GMT
You stated he should be an 85, therefore you are implying what your vote would be. Your above comment doesn't relate to anything I mentioned about using the eye test for one, but not the other. You are basing your vote on statistics, but as you mentioned, you would be using the eye test to set your vote for Love. I am sorry you contradict yourself nonstop, only you can help that. I am happy to know you think I am smart though, I appreciate it. Also, I am a tax accountant, but nice guess. I would never vote for Obama as a liberal arts person would. It's okay though, the ratings have a control to negate unintellectual votes. You obviously cannot read but I am going to give you a pass because of one thing you said!  |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 16, 2015 0:35:19 GMT
Well, if it is about the Obama comment.... I may have just made a new friend.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 17, 2015 0:02:01 GMT
Needs more votes, we are at 6 now, 4 if you count knocking out the bottom and top votes. Would like to get at least 10 votes on each player.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 13:25:31 GMT
I am going to change my vote to a 77 since Boozer seems to be around a 79.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 20, 2015 1:15:06 GMT
His numbers does not shout 84 even though his USG% is at 22.7
Going with 80.
Bulk of it should be on FG, DReb, Physicals, IS
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