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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 4, 2015 4:40:32 GMT
Season G MP FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% 2PM-A 2P% FTM-A FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2010-11 78 19.7 2.8-5.3 .517 0.0-0.0 2.8-5.3 .517 1.3-2.2 .595 2.2 3.1 5.3 0.5 0.4 0.9 1.0 3.2 6.8
2011-12 65 21.2 3.4-6.8 .499 0.0-0.0 3.4-6.8 .499 1.9-3.0 .649 2.4 4.1 6.5 0.7 0.6 1.0 1.6 2.2 8.8
2012-13 77 23.2 3.6-7.4 .482 0.0-0.1 .000 3.6-7.3 .487 2.3-3.4 .688 2.4 4.7 7.1 1.0 0.9 1.7 1.7 3.2 9.4
2013-14 73 30.2 5.3-10.2 .522 0.0-0.0 .000 5.3-10.2 .523 2.6-3.9 .669 2.7 6.0 8.7 1.2 1.0 1.5 1.8 3.2 13.3
2014-15 30 30.6 6.3-11.5 .546 0.0-0.0 6.3-11.5 .546 2.8-4.3 .648 2.8 5.6 8.4 1.5 0.6 1.6 1.4 2.6 15.4
His minutes are up a tad, and the strange thing is, his PF are down, which is very uncommon for a big man. He's puttin up 2 more points per game. But this is really about his last two seasons. He isn't a "starter" anymore (guys in the 77-79 range are just starters really). He is a quality starter and the franchise player for the Jazz. They aren't a very good team but Favors play has been a huge bright spot for them.
I guess this increase is more about the eye test, anyone who has watched the Jazz this season has seen that Favors is just a different player. He is better than a 79.
Advanced stats
Season PER TS 3PAr FTr ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV USG OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
2010-11 13.8 .542 .000 .416 12.9 19.1 16.0 4.2 1.0 3.5 13.5 17.1 1.5 1.4 2.9 .091 -2.1 0.0 -2.0 0.0
2011-12 17.1 .537 .000 .436 13.0 22.5 17.7 5.0 1.4 3.8 16.3 20.7 1.4 1.6 3.0 .105 -1.2 0.6 -0.6 0.6
2012-13 17.5 .533 .009 .458 11.9 24.0 17.9 6.8 2.0 5.7 15.9 20.6 1.5 2.9 4.4 .117 -1.5 2.5 0.9 1.3
2013-14 19.0 .556 .001 .380 10.1 23.7 16.7 7.3 1.8 3.8 12.9 20.8 2.9 2.3 5.1 . 112 -0.9 1.2 0.3 1.3
2014-15 22.1 .573 .000 .370 10.8 21.6 16.2 9.3 1.1 4.1 9.7 22.3 2.3 0.8 3.0 .159 1.0 0.6 1.7 2.1
Career 17.7 .547 .002 .412 11.7 22.4 16.9 6.4 1.5 4.2 13.9 20.2 9.5 9.0 18.4 .113 -1.1 1.1 0.0 3.9
As you can see, the advanced stats really tell the whole picture. He is up in nearly every category from last year and is whel over his career marks.
My suggested rating is an 84.
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Post by Alex English on Jan 4, 2015 4:56:38 GMT
Favors has been good, but not quite as good as I thought he'd be. 15 and 8 for a team as bad as the Jazz isn't blowing me away. I'll go 82.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 4, 2015 5:05:15 GMT
The biggest thing I'm surprised about is that his minutes haven't really gone up yet. I figured they'd have him at 34-36 this season.
Honestly, I think his team being bad could also be the reason why his stats have remained a little lower than we might have expected. All that said, he has a great defensive impact on the game, very good rebounder, and has those games where he flashes a simply incredible upside.
84 for me as well.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 4, 2015 5:16:48 GMT
He's been kind of disappointing in my eyes. 82
Edit: Revised down to 80
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 4, 2015 18:20:47 GMT
I would say an 81. Just because he is noted as the "franchise" player for the Jazz does not mean his rating should go up. Up until this year, he has been a major disappointment to the franchise in terms of expectations. Decent players on bad teams will always make them look better than they are.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 4, 2015 18:45:28 GMT
I would say an 81. Just because he is noted as the "franchise" player for the Jazz does not mean his rating should go up. Up until this year, he has been a major disappointment to the franchise in terms of expectations. Decent players on bad teams will always make them look better than they are. And bad teams, systems, and organizations can hold good, young, developing players down as well.. Just a thought |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 4, 2015 19:48:39 GMT
Seriously? I don't see there being much difference between Favors and Kanter. Admittedly I've only watched one full Jazz game this season, and the highlights of every single other game, but I'm really surprised you guys are going above 80.
77 from me. I don't see it.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 4, 2015 20:02:34 GMT
Seriously? I don't see there being much difference between Favors and Kanter. Admittedly I've only watched one full Jazz game this season, and the highlights of every single other game, but I'm really surprised you guys are going above 80. 77 from me. I don't see it. Him and Kanter? Really? One plays zero defense and can't jump, the other is an athletic big who draws the double team for Kanter. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 4, 2015 20:06:43 GMT
The difference is, Kanter can't stay on the floor because he is the biggest defensive frontcourt liability in the league. Favors can't stay on the floor because he is always injured. I agree that 84 is insane, but he's definitely a lot better than Kanter.
I think 80 is appropriate. Dude is still only 23
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Post by Alex English on Jan 4, 2015 20:12:19 GMT
Seriously? I don't see there being much difference between Favors and Kanter. Admittedly I've only watched one full Jazz game this season, and the highlights of every single other game, but I'm really surprised you guys are going above 80. 77 from me. I don't see it. You think Favors deserves a rating decrease? Kanter deserves a boost from 74 so he shouldn't be your base for rating Favors. But also, Kanter is a bad defender and terrible shot blocker, while Favors is solid at both. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 4, 2015 20:47:05 GMT
Actually I guess pegging Favors's rating to Kanter's is a bit stupid of me. He certainly doesn't deserve a decrease, but I don't think there's an increase earned yet either, I think we're overrating him.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 4, 2015 21:51:56 GMT
The difference is, Kanter can't stay on the floor because he is the biggest defensive frontcourt liability in the league. Favors can't stay on the floor because he is always injured. I agree that 84 is insane, but he's definitely a lot better than Kanter. I think 80 is appropriate. Dude is still only 23 I think the biggest defensive liability in the league is Kevin Love actually. But I see your point lol. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 4, 2015 22:05:10 GMT
After some of the discussion, notably Ian's point after his similarity with kanter I want to revise my vote to an 80.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 4, 2015 22:15:25 GMT
After some of the discussion, notably Ian's point after his similarity with kanter I want to revise my vote to an 80. Ian admitted he shouldn't go based off of Kanter's rating. And even when he did, he put Favors 3 points ahead of Kanter. Also... 14 / 7 / 0.6 / 0.3 / 0.4 vs 15 / 8.4 / 1.4 / 0.6 / 1.5 Is a noticeable difference. There is at least half a rating point worth of passing skill shown there. At least half a rating point of Steal. Probably a full rating point or probably two worth of Block. Another rating point worth of Rebound possibly. I'll grant you Kanter has a bit of a 3pt shot we need to factor, though 32.3% isn't that good in and of itself. He's also a better FT% guy. But, Favors has a gigantic advantage in athleticism, and you can also throw his D. Aware "Skill" that will all add up to multiple rating points worth of advantage to Favors. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 5, 2015 1:01:32 GMT
I do think Favors is better than Kanter, but 84 seems pretty high. I am sticking with the 80-81.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 5, 2015 18:52:25 GMT
I think out of all of this, Kanter needs a thread. Because his ratings could use some work.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 5, 2015 20:36:15 GMT
I think out of all of this, Kanter needs a thread. Because his ratings could use some work. No dammit I'm tanking  |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 5, 2015 20:39:00 GMT
To counter Walt's stats! Kanter vs Favors, per 36mins stats: EK: 18.7 / 9.8 / 0.9 / 0.4stl / 0.5blk DF: 18.1 / 9.9 / 1.8 / 0.8stl / 1.8blk I think Walt Frazier made good points though. Favors is better at D and more athletic. Kanter is a better shooter. Favors gets the edge, but not by much, and I still think 80 is generous! |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 5, 2015 21:25:15 GMT
To counter Walt's stats! Kanter vs Favors, per 36mins stats: EK: 18.7 / 9.8 / 0.9 / 0.4stl / 0.5blk DF: 18.1 / 9.9 / 1.8 / 0.8stl / 1.8blk I think Walt Frazier made good points though. Favors is better at D and more athletic. Kanter is a better shooter. Favors gets the edge, but not by much, and I still think 80 is generous! To each their own. I'll take the much better athlete and incredibly, head over heels better defender, and even better passer over the guy who has a mediocre-at-best 3pt shot in his arsenal. It's a multiple-point rating difference, I guarantee if we went through in this thread and gave them each our desired Individual Ratings in each category, Favors would come out with a pretty good advantage. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 10, 2015 3:19:37 GMT
82 coz numbers doesn't lie.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 10, 2015 3:34:34 GMT
Good player. Watching the Kanter thread too because there shouldn't be a mix up as whose rating should be higher at the end of the day, and that would be Favors.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 2, 2015 0:24:47 GMT
Has 8 votes, would like more.
Current stats are around....
16p / 9r / 1.7blk / 0.7 stl / 1.4ast - 54.2% FG and 66.3% FT in around 30-31 mpg.
I think his rating change right now would take him to an 82 with no further votes.
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