Jose Calderon

[Walt Frazier]

Current Rating: 75
Suggested Rating: 80

Stats

	FG%	3PTM	3PT%	FT%	PTS	REB	AST	STL	TO
Career	47.7%	1.1	41.2%	87.6%	10.2	2.5	6.8	0.9	1.7
2014	41.5%	1.6	42.7%	100%	9.7	3.6	4.3	0.8	1.4

OK so, This thread is as much or more about Jose's low rating for the past couple years / his career than it is about this season, however even this season with his absolutely incredible 3PT and FT%'s, plus decent all-around play, he's probably worth more than a 75 as well.

So, again to be clear, look at those career stats.  He's incredibly efficient.  Almost 7 assists to under 2 TO's a game is a great A/TO ratio.  He can knock down a shot with anyone in the league (not talking clutch here but just his shot, is very good).  He's not amazing.  I'm not putting him in the high or even mid 80's, but a 75 is just laughable considering his %'s and obviously superb O-Aware type skills and passing.  

As for this season's stats, please keep in mind 2 things
1) He was injured to start the season and is working his way back.  He's shot 2% better in December than in November, for example.
2) The Knicks are a huge mess.  As a loyal Knicks fan I say that with 100% certainty, but you can all just look at their record and see for yourselves even if you haven't watched them.  I think they have more losses than the 76ers actually, just think about that.  If it's not more, it's right there with them.  His FG% is going to come around, b/c he is who he is, but the AST may stay a bit low this year.  He is adding even more rebounds to help offset that a little bit though.

So, an 80 really isn't that much to ask considering his shot, his low TO's and high Ast, and even a pesky little bit of defense here and there leading to that steal per game over his career and this season.  

Thanks for your time!

[Brian Scalabrine]

I think you make some good points but that rating for a guy averagin just 10 and 4 is a little high for me, especially as he is a horrid defender. I'll go 78

[Walt Frazier]

Dec 31, 2014 2:40:19 GMT Brian Scalabrine said:

I think you make some good points but that rating for a guy averagin just 10 and 4 is a little high for me, especially as he is a horrid defender. I'll go 78

Surprised you read that whole thing that quickly, but one of my main points is he's been horribly underrated for his entire career, and to not judge him too hard for his time on possibly the worst team in the NBA this season and also recovering from injury.

The lack of defense is the type of thing that keeps him from sniffing the mid-80's IMO. He's elite-ly efficient and a wondrous ball-handler and distributor. 78 may not give him credit for those things.

[Brian Scalabrine]

I guess Im a fast reader? He is incredibly efficient and as good a 3 point shooter as there is but his offensive efficiency comes with a price and thats a lack of volume as well as bad defensive effort. He's never averaged over 20 a game in his career, in fact his career high PPG is only 12.8!

What I'm saying is that although he is incredibly efficient he does so while not taking a lot of shots. While that means he's smart with his shot selection, it also shows that he sin't able to create his own shot and carry an offense, even for just a couple minutes.

I like what Jose brings to the table but his low volume coupled with his glaring defensive short comings make him below an 80 for me. I know you hate comparisons but guys like Collison, Isiah Thomas, Kemba and Deron Williams they either create their own shot and can prop up offenses or are good solid two way point guards, namely Collison. These guys are low 80's to me and I think Jose is a step below as a 78.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Dec 31, 2014 2:37:41 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Current Rating: 75
Suggested Rating: 80

Stats

	FG%	3PTM	3PT%	FT%	PTS	REB	AST	STL	TO
Career	47.7%	1.1	41.2%	87.6%	10.2	2.5	6.8	0.9	1.7
2014	41.5%	1.6	42.7%	100%	9.7	3.6	4.3	0.8	1.4

OK so, This thread is as much or more about Jose's low rating for the past couple years / his career than it is about this season, however even this season with his absolutely incredible 3PT and FT%'s, plus decent all-around play, he's probably worth more than a 75 as well.

So, again to be clear, look at those career stats.  He's incredibly efficient.  Almost 7 assists to under 2 TO's a game is a great A/TO ratio.  He can knock down a shot with anyone in the league (not talking clutch here but just his shot, is very good).  He's not amazing.  I'm not putting him in the high or even mid 80's, but a 75 is just laughable considering his %'s and obviously superb O-Aware type skills and passing.  

As for this season's stats, please keep in mind 2 things
1) He was injured to start the season and is working his way back.  He's shot 2% better in December than in November, for example.
2) The Knicks are a huge mess.  As a loyal Knicks fan I say that with 100% certainty, but you can all just look at their record and see for yourselves even if you haven't watched them.  I think they have more losses than the 76ers actually, just think about that.  If it's not more, it's right there with them.  His FG% is going to come around, b/c he is who he is, but the AST may stay a bit low this year.  He is adding even more rebounds to help offset that a little bit though.

So, an 80 really isn't that much to ask considering his shot, his low TO's and high Ast, and even a pesky little bit of defense here and there leading to that steal per game over his career and this season.  

Thanks for your time!

Calderon blew dicks to start last season as well, I don't think he's an 80 but if his 100% Ft and worse than Korver but still probably top 5 3pt shooting rating takes him up to that I don't mind.

79 for me though.

[Walt Frazier]

Dec 31, 2014 2:49:31 GMT Brian Scalabrine said:

I guess Im a fast reader? He is incredibly efficient and as good a 3 point shooter as there is but his offensive efficiency comes with a price and thats a lack of volume as well as bad defensive effort. He's never averaged over 20 a game in his career, in fact his career high PPG is only 12.8!

What I'm saying is that although he is incredibly efficient he does so while not taking a lot of shots. While that means he's smart with his shot selection, it also shows that he sin't able to create his own shot and carry an offense, even for just a couple minutes.

I like what Jose brings to the table but his low volume coupled with his glaring defensive short comings make him below an 80 for me. I know you hate comparisons but guys like Collison, Isiah Thomas, Kemba and Deron Williams they either create their own shot and can prop up offenses or are good solid two way point guards, namely Collison. These guys are low 80's to me and I think Jose is a step below as a 78.

Haha that's fine, you're a fast reader!

I don't like straight comparisons but we can use some to compare and contrast maybe. I agree he doesn't create his own shot and he can't be the main focus like those others.

BUT

I have sincere doubts those players could shoot as well as Jose has proven from 3 and general FG%, or keep their TO's as low as he does while at the same time handing out as many assists as he does.

I'm not gonna keep going back and forth on this, I know by now we all have our own processes on these things and aren't likely to change, and a 78 is at least respectable (unlike the 75). So, to each their own. IMO, his strengths and weaknesses combine to make him stand up to the guys you listed, who have different strengths and weaknesses. You disagree, and that is what it is.

[Alex English]

Jose Calderon has been underrated his whole career. He's white, he's european, and he played most of his career for the Raptors before they became everyone's second favourite team during the playoffs last year. That's basically a recipe to be dismissed out of hand before anyone even takes a serious look at him.

He should have been 80+ years ago. But now he's 33 years old and he's gone from a pure point guard and one of the best playmakers in the league to more of a spot up three point shooter and a steady hand to manage the game, kinda like how Derek Fisher was used a few years ago.

I think a 78-79 is better for him at this stage.

[Charles Barkley]

79 for me, he is who we think he is, a low end starting PG, would be a quality back up

[Andrei Kirilenko]

I think 75 is fine, he really isn't very good any more. Plus he gets eaten alive on defense

[Alex English]

Jan 1, 2015 16:27:53 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I think 75 is fine, he really isn't very good any more. Plus he gets eaten alive on defense

So you're liking all your own posts now, and your signature says you're the voice of reason...

This must be Josh every morning looking at himself in the mirror:

[Charles Barkley]

Could use a few more votes in here, I know he isn't a sexy player, but still.

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74

[Kevin Hollis]

76

[Kareem Abdul-Jabbar]

78 ^^

[Walt Frazier]

Notice of closing this thread. Make changes to your vote or get your vote in now!

Current stats are around 9pts / 3reb / 4.6ast / 0.7stl on 40.6% FG, 100% FT, and 41.0% from 3 taking 3.5 a game there. Plays 30mpg and is due to be a 78.