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Post by Alex English on Dec 29, 2014 4:44:42 GMT
Current Rating: 82
Suggested Rating: 88
Kyle Lowry is a beast and he is the reason the Raptors are so successful. I feel like people who aren't Raptors fans see DeRozan as the #1 guy but that's not true at all. Lowry is the engine of the team and easily the Raptors most valuable player. He's leading the team to a 24-7 record, including 11-4 with DeRozan out. He is also an excellent defender.
Stats: 20.5 ppg, 7.7 apg, 4.7 rpg, 45.5 FG%, 35.4 3P%, 24.2 PER
He put up 17.9, 7.4 and 4.7 last year and he's playing even better this year. He's got to be a top 5 candidate for the MVP this year. The best player on the best team in the east deserves a lot more than an 82 rating.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 29, 2014 4:53:55 GMT
Agreed on all of your evidence. I'm not a big DeRozan fan overall but I do like Lowry, a lot! Guy is legit, solid defender overall too. Good intangibles which we don't have many ways of showing other than "Awareness", but yea, He needs to be higher than an 82 no doubt.
I'll hop on the 88 I think.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 29, 2014 6:07:31 GMT
87 really just a terrific player
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Post by Ian Noble on Dec 29, 2014 19:42:44 GMT
86 for now. I recognise he's the biggest single reason for the Raptors success, but they just seem to be working as a great team together, like the Spurs do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 20:37:54 GMT
Is this the same guy who served as a back up for Aaron Brooks with the Rockets? 85, but I am skeptical that he can sustain it.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 29, 2014 22:04:30 GMT
Is this the same guy who served as a back up for Aaron Brooks with the Rockets? 85, but I am skeptical that he can sustain it. No Vlade, this is a better version of his younger self. Players develop |
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Post by James Kay on Dec 30, 2014 0:11:34 GMT
Ugh, I hate being the guy that brings up other players' ratings, but I really can't avoid it. 88 for Lowry? Is he 2 points below Westbrook? 1 above Rondo? 1 less than Curry?
He is playing very good ball right now, and leading the Raptors to the top of the East, but as Ian said, the Raptors are playing some great team ball. Plus, Lowry is shooting at a career high in FG%, largely to do with his career high 2p% which is really up from his career average. Maybe he's turned a corner and can sustain it, but I think shooting% is one of the most volatile stats and has a lot to do with Lowry's perceived improvement this year. That being said, he's underrated defensively IMO, so I'll vote:
86
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 30, 2014 0:36:30 GMT
Ugh, I hate being the guy that brings up other players' ratings, but I really can't avoid it. 88 for Lowry? Is he 2 points below Westbrook? 1 above Rondo? 1 less than Curry? He is playing very good ball right now, and leading the Raptors to the top of the East, but as Ian said, the Raptors are playing some great team ball. Plus, Lowry is shooting at a career high in FG%, largely to do with his career high 2p% which is really up from his career average. Maybe he's turned a corner and can sustain it, but I think shooting% is one of the most volatile stats and has a lot to do with Lowry's perceived improvement this year. That being said, he's underrated defensively IMO, so I'll vote: 86 My 88 can be seen through the angle that I would put Curry in the 92-93 range, and probably bump Westbrook too. Rondo is a difficult case as his FG AND FT have been so horrific this year...I get what you're saying but I still hope/wish people can come up with their own criteria for players w/o using other ratings as a basis. At least not as a primary basis. |
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Dec 30, 2014 17:02:52 GMT
87. Lowry, Wall and Lillard should all be rated the same IMO
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 30, 2014 17:30:46 GMT
"Kyle Lowry, pretty much equal parts black Jesus and all the best parts of the dream team" - this league appearantly.
He's good but he's not carry a team good. 84.
Clyde you are drunk if you think Lowry and Lillard are as good as Wall.
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Post by Alex English on Dec 30, 2014 18:16:14 GMT
"Kyle Lowry, pretty much equal parts black Jesus and all the best parts of the dream team" - this league appearantly. He's good but he's not carry a team good. 84. Clyde you are drunk if you think Lowry and Lillard are as good as Wall. You're completely wrong. If you just look at their raw stats, Lowry is equal, or better to any point guard in the league this season. Then if you compare how valuable each elite point guard is to their team, then Lowry again is just as, or more, valuable than any other point guard in the league. The Raptors aren't one of the best teams in the NBA because of magic. Yea they're playing incredible team basketball, but it's Lowry who's leading the team and is the #1 guy. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 30, 2014 18:47:29 GMT
"Kyle Lowry, pretty much equal parts black Jesus and all the best parts of the dream team" - this league appearantly. He's good but he's not carry a team good. 84. Clyde you are drunk if you think Lowry and Lillard are as good as Wall. You're completely wrong. If you just look at their raw stats, Lowry is equal, or better to any point guard in the league this season. Then if you compare how valuable each elite point guard is to their team, then Lowry again is just as, or more, valuable than any other point guard in the league. The Raptors aren't one of the best teams in the NBA because of magic. Yea they're playing incredible team basketball, but it's Lowry who's leading the team and is the #1 guy. I like Lowry and think he's a really good player. I just think that he does less than John Wall, I never liked Lillards superstar rating either. But I'm rating Lowry right now and not Lillard. |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Dec 30, 2014 18:56:34 GMT
86
He's a good player but he's still in that second tier of point guards. If I had to rank tiers I'd go:
Tier 1
Chris Paul
Stephen Curry
Russell Westbrook
John Wall
Derrick Rose
Tier 2
Tony Parker
Mike Conley
Damien Lillard
Kyle Lowry
Kyrie Irving
Tier 3
Goran Dragic
Rajon Rondo
Ty Lawson
Jeff Teague
Ricky Rubio
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Dec 30, 2014 19:05:53 GMT
"Kyle Lowry, pretty much equal parts black Jesus and all the best parts of the dream team" - this league appearantly. He's good but he's not carry a team good. 84. Clyde you are drunk if you think Lowry and Lillard are as good as Wall. Hahahaha. Honestly I am being too critical on Wall since he's my player and I don't want to seem too biased. I do think Lowry and Lillard should be ranked the same though, should it be 87 or 86. |
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Post by Alex English on Dec 30, 2014 19:07:57 GMT
86 He's a good player but he's still in that second tier of point guards. If I had to rank tiers I'd go: Tier 1 Chris Paul Stephen Curry Russell Westbrook John Wall Derrick Rose Tier 2 Tony Parker Mike Conley Damien Lillard Kyle Lowry Kyrie Irving Tier 3 Goran Dragic Rajon Rondo Ty Lawson Jeff Teague Ricky Rubio Kinda unrelated, but current Derrick Rose is worse than every one of those PGs you have listed in tier 2. He's not the same as he once was. Which is sad, but it's also reality. He's certainly not worth his 93 rating, not that I advocate decreasing him yet. |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Dec 30, 2014 19:14:00 GMT
86 He's a good player but he's still in that second tier of point guards. If I had to rank tiers I'd go: Tier 1 Chris Paul Stephen Curry Russell Westbrook John Wall Derrick Rose Tier 2 Tony Parker Mike Conley Damien Lillard Kyle Lowry Kyrie Irving Tier 3 Goran Dragic Rajon Rondo Ty Lawson Jeff Teague Ricky Rubio Kinda unrelated, but current Derrick Rose is worse than every one of those PGs you have listed in tier 2. He's not the same as he once was. Which is sad, but it's also reality. He's certainly not worth his 93 rating, not that I advocate decreasing him yet. Yeah, I wasn't really sure what to do with him lol. I know he hasn't been the same but I haven't watched enough bulls games to know how he really looks. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 22:37:04 GMT
"Kyle Lowry, pretty much equal parts black Jesus and all the best parts of the dream team" - this league appearantly. He's good but he's not carry a team good. 84. Clyde you are drunk if you think Lowry and Lillard are as good as Wall. Hahahaha. Honestly I am being too critical on Wall since he's my player and I don't want to seem too biased. I do think Lowry and Lillard should be ranked the same though, should it be 87 or 86. So go raise Lillard!  |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Dec 31, 2014 8:42:15 GMT
Kinda unrelated, but current Derrick Rose is worse than every one of those PGs you have listed in tier 2. He's not the same as he once was. Which is sad, but it's also reality. He's certainly not worth his 93 rating, not that I advocate decreasing him yet. Yeah, I wasn't really sure what to do with him lol. I know he hasn't been the same but I haven't watched enough bulls games to know how he really looks. There's still flashes of old Derrick Rose in his game, more and more recently. He's added a floater which is nice as well. Also, Dragic in tier 3 is cool and all if it's just this season, but last season he carried a team that was supposed to be a top 5 lotto team to nearly the 8th seed in the West, which is no easy feat. The fact that the Suns went out and signed Thomas has killed his playing time, and scoring ability. When it was just Dragic and Bledsoe, it was a perfect combo, like peanut butter and jelly, but when they threw this ball dominant scoring guard in there, it just throws the dynamic off. There's a reason the Sun's are exploring their options on the trade market with Thomas; he's fucking things up. I'd have Dragic in my tier 1, because of what he did last season. I'll go 87 for Lowry. He has a lot of Chris Paul New Orleans type feel to him. |
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Post by Chris Mullin on Dec 31, 2014 8:52:09 GMT
86
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Dec 31, 2014 16:19:21 GMT
84
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 2, 2015 17:10:18 GMT
I was hoping there would be a thread on Lowry. I think Lowry has proven that he has the potential to be a top notch talent in the league. He has taken his game to the next level with DeRozan being out. Lowry is an all-around solid basketball player. I would rate him an 85 solely on the fact that his superstar play has been going on for two years. If he keeps this play up in the next year, then his rating should be on the move again.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 3, 2015 0:10:37 GMT
his d5 stats last season:
12.4 pts 3.1 rebs. 5.9 asts 43.4% FG
with that, and with his pretty impressive stats currently, I am going with 89.
Bulk of it should be on OA, FG%, Quickness and Speed.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jan 3, 2015 0:15:03 GMT
his d5 stats last season: 12.4 pts 3.1 rebs. 5.9 asts 43.4% FG with that, and with his pretty impressive stats currently, I am going with 89. Bulk of it should be on OA, FG%, Quickness and Speed. D5 stats are irrelevant when it comes to their rating |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 3, 2015 0:21:53 GMT
his d5 stats last season: 12.4 pts 3.1 rebs. 5.9 asts 43.4% FG with that, and with his pretty impressive stats currently, I am going with 89. Bulk of it should be on OA, FG%, Quickness and Speed. D5 stats are irrelevant when it comes to their rating I am just using it as a basis of comparison and I am just putting it in my post for everyone to see and maybe to troll Walt  hehe. Just kidding. |
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jan 28, 2015 23:33:15 GMT
sooooo 88? he became an All Star as the starting gaurd for the East and also is having a killer year!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 23:47:56 GMT
oh come on you know all star is bullshit. kobe and melo got starting spots, its fan voted and is just who people want to see play. All-nba is the real team. also lowery isnt as good as teague or wall. theyee both an 85, seems good to me.
85 for lowery. dont worry man, hell get better every year.
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jan 28, 2015 23:59:24 GMT
87 ^^
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 29, 2015 0:07:46 GMT
oh come on you know all star is bullshit. kobe and melo got starting spots, its fan voted and is just who people want to see play. All-nba is the real team. also lowery isnt as good as teague or wall. theyee both an 85, seems good to me. 85 for lowery. dont worry man, hell get better every year. Teague is an 86 I think and Wall is an 87 or 88. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 0:09:22 GMT
oh come on you know all star is bullshit. kobe and melo got starting spots, its fan voted and is just who people want to see play. All-nba is the real team. also lowery isnt as good as teague or wall. theyee both an 85, seems good to me. 85 for lowery. dont worry man, hell get better every year. Teague is an 86 I think and Wall is an 87 or 88. roster page needs updated in a bad way |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 29, 2015 0:11:49 GMT
Teague is an 86 I think and Wall is an 87 or 88. roster page needs updated in a bad way Sorry I wasn't clear. Not sure Teague has actually received his increase but I think Wall has. If not, I believe those are their new ratings but maybe Teague is only an 85. Just going off memory right now. |
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